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johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Nov 22 @ 8:49 AM ET
Raffl over Rosehill would be a good start.
- bradleyc4


Solsbury Hill >>>> Blueberry Hill >>>> Jay Rosehill
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Nov 22 @ 8:56 AM ET
How much did Read look like Danny B on that play... he even did the celebration!

bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Nov 22 @ 8:59 AM ET
They have an upgrade they just won't play him cause they value Rosehill's awesomely-timed penalties too much to scratch him.
- JAKEw1234


Also would like to see Rinaldo's spot upgraded.

(edit: but it's not going to happen. they're trying to develop him.)
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Nov 22 @ 9:25 AM ET
How much did Read look like Danny B on that play... he even did the celebration!


- Tomahawk


Stupid Linesman!!!
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Nov 22 @ 9:25 AM ET
Also would like to see Rinaldo's spot upgraded.

(edit: but it's not going to happen. they're trying to develop him.)

- bradleyc4

I'd rather see Rinaldo than Rosehill, but Zac hasn't controlled himself well this year.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Nov 22 @ 9:33 AM ET
I'd rather see Rinaldo than Rosehill, but Zac hasn't controlled himself well this year.
- BulliesPhan87


I haven't noticed him taking more sloppy penalities this year, he is just getting caught for a few more. I can't blame the 10 minute on him last night. The Refs let things get out of hand, and should have taken Ott to the box after hitting Simmonds, to restore the Flyers PP.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Nov 22 @ 9:40 AM ET
Stupid Linesman!!!
- ImThatGuy


I didn't even notice that
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Nov 22 @ 9:44 AM ET
I didn't even notice that
- PhillySportsGuy


I feel like that sort of thing happens to the Flyers quite a bit, so I'm not going to feel too bad about it.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Nov 22 @ 9:46 AM ET
I feel like that sort of thing happens to the Flyers quite a bit, so I'm not going to feel too bad about it.
- johndewar


It was a fortunate break for the Flyers, but leaving Read all alone down low to have a beer, eat a sandwich then pop in a goal was just poor defense.

It's not even like it was bang bang. Couturier had to win the puck battle, get it to Downey who got it to Read. Buffalo had time to recover. Their defenseman just drifted.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Nov 22 @ 9:49 AM ET
It was a fortunate break for the Flyers, but leaving Read all alone down low to have a beer, eat a sandwich then pop in a goal was just poor defense.

It's not even like it was bang bang. Couturier had to win the puck battle, get it to Downey who got it to Read. Buffalo had time to recover. Their defenseman just drifted.

- PhillySportsGuy


I was glad Read didn't overthink it when he had Miller down.
flyerfan48
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IL
Joined: 12.26.2008

Nov 22 @ 9:54 AM ET
How much did Read look like Danny B on that play... he even did the celebration!
- Tomahawk


My exact thought when I saw that!
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Nov 22 @ 9:55 AM ET
Buffalo has 2 non-shootout wins this year
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Nov 22 @ 9:58 AM ET
Damn been waiting for the new blog... Anyway team looks good... Hope they can sustain this. Still think they made signings which are gonna hurt in a couple years last offseason, streit definitely hurting them now.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Nov 22 @ 10:00 AM ET
How much did Read look like Danny B on that play... he even did the celebration!


- Tomahawk

I'm really liking him... Two way player that is a scoring threat.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Nov 22 @ 10:02 AM ET
Damn been waiting for the new blog... Anyway team looks good... Hope they can sustain this. Still think they made signings which are gonna hurt in a couple years last offseason, streit definitely hurting them now.
- JoeRussomanno


Streit is hurting the team. If he's not providing offense, he's a below average player. I was much more upset about the Streit signing because he already has some serious limitations. It will only get worse over time.

I was thrilled about the Vinny signing, but we will at least get a few good seasons out of him before his skills start to deteriorate.
JW98FlyerFan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.02.2013

Nov 22 @ 10:02 AM ET
It was a fortunate break for the Flyers, but leaving Read all alone down low to have a beer, eat a sandwich then pop in a goal was just poor defense.

It's not even like it was bang bang. Couturier had to win the puck battle, get it to Downey who got it to Read. Buffalo had time to recover. Their defenseman just drifted.

- PhillySportsGuy

How many years have we watched that happen to our goalies...It was nice to be in the holiday spirit and giving one of those goals vice taking one...

Razor also had a quietly nice game, although I think some of the rebounds he tried to send to the corners got a bit dicey at times...

I also think Downey is exactly who we though the was, and should be, making the trade with Talbot a big win for the Flyers...
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Nov 22 @ 10:03 AM ET
I'm really liking him... Two way player that is a scoring threat.
- JoeRussomanno


That whole line was outstanding tonight
ImThatGuy
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I AM MY OWN DAMN SOURCE!, NY
Joined: 11.04.2010

Nov 22 @ 10:04 AM ET
Buffalo has 2 non-shootout wins this year
- PhillySportsGuy


VIVA LA SUCK!
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Nov 22 @ 10:10 AM ET
Streit is hurting the team. If he's not providing offense, he's a below average player. I was much more upset about the Streit signing because he already has some serious limitations. It will only get worse over time.

I was thrilled about the Vinny signing, but we will at least get a few good seasons out of him before his skills start to deteriorate.

- PhillySportsGuy



He's been passable these past few games -- I think that's the best we can ever hope from him.

He's not a terrible player, just monumentally overpaid, on an stupidly structured contract. For a guy making that kind of scratch, he's nowhere near as effective moving the puck as guys like Yandle, OEL, Keith, Enstrom, Byfuglien that take home similar pay stubs. He's nowhere near as good as Matt Carle, either.
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

Nov 22 @ 10:12 AM ET
Is this the thread where the Steve Downie haters apologize?

Loved Reader burying those goals but did ya see who fed him those pucks?

- johndewar


Schenn2shine
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.26.2011

Nov 22 @ 10:13 AM ET
He's got super-good hockey sense and very deft passing ability... you just wouldn't expect a player that small and slow to be able to generate so many plays... but he does. We're talking primary assists, not sponging easy points off better linemates.

That 3rd-line has looked terrific since the trade, and I would argue that that has been the biggest difference in their ability to score goals now. They're feasting on secondary/tertiary defenders, when with Talbot/Rinaldo there, they were only able to tread water.

- Tomahawk

I've been saying all of this for the last week. My issue is people calling Homer's job before even seeing how a trade plans out. Talbot for Downie and actually believed that we lost in this trade? Based on what? So many people are stuck in the past. Some hate Downie for how immature a player he was five years ago. FIVE YEARS AGO! Some hold a grundge against Mark Recchi for behind closed door stuff we couldn't possibly know about. Steve Downie is a really good second or third liner. I think we shoulder resign him if it's a possibility. Downie for Talbot was a no brainer deal.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Nov 22 @ 10:14 AM ET
He's been passable these past few games -- I think that's the best we can ever hope from him.

He's not a terrible player, just monumentally overpaid, on an stupidly structured contract. For a guy making that kind of scratch, he's nowhere near as effective moving the puck as guys like Yandle, OEL, Keith, Enstrom, Byfuglien that take home similar pay stubs. He's nowhere near as good as Matt Carle, either.

- Tomahawk


One thing that bothers me is the way he makes poor reads. He's a veteran player, but is very susceptible to turning the puck over or making a bad decision.
exlund
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Manywhere, NJ
Joined: 02.16.2007

Nov 22 @ 10:16 AM ET
It was a fortunate break for the Flyers, but leaving Read all alone down low to have a beer, eat a sandwich then pop in a goal was just poor defense.

It's not even like it was bang bang. Couturier had to win the puck battle, get it to Downey who got it to Read. Buffalo had time to recover. Their defenseman just drifted.

- PhillySportsGuy



It actually reminded me of how the Flyers D looked at times under Lavy...bunching up with too many players watching gravitating toward the puck, leaving open men in dangerous positions...it was so refreshing to see that flip around to where the opposition was the one doing that while, for their part, the Flyers stayed with their defensive assignments in their own zone (mostly).

PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Nov 22 @ 10:16 AM ET
I've been saying all of this for the last week. My issue is people calling Homer's job before even seeing how a trade plans out. Talbot for Downie and actually believed that we lost in this trade? Based on what? So many people are stuck in the past. Some hate Downie for how immature a player he was five years ago. FIVE YEARS AGO! Some hold a grundge against Mark Recchi for behind closed door stuff we couldn't possibly know about. Steve Downie is a really good second or third liner. I think we shoulder resign him if it's a possibility. Downie for Talbot was a no brainer deal.
- Schenn2shine


The trade has done exactly what we thought. It made the forwards deeper and gave Read and Couturier a skilled player.

However, the PK has suffered since Talbot left. People keep saying it's easier to replace a grinder/pk type player than a skilled top 9 player. I agree with this, but now they need to find a player to replace Talbot, because the current forwards are not cutting it on the PK.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Nov 22 @ 10:17 AM ET
I've been saying all of this for the last week. My issue is people calling Homer's job before even seeing how a trade plans out. Talbot for Downie and actually believed that we lost in this trade? Based on what? So many people are stuck in the past. Some hate Downie for how immature a player he was five years ago. FIVE YEARS AGO! Some hold a grundge against Mark Recchi for behind closed door stuff we couldn't possibly know about. Steve Downie is a really good second or third liner. I think we shoulder resign him if it's a possibility. Downie for Talbot was a no brainer deal.
- Schenn2shine



Homer deserves most of the criticisms that are levied at him... however, the Downie - Talbot swap was a pure fleecing.
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