They pretty much assaulted the Wild, but yeah. Good luck tonight
- SotaPopinski

Lol they assaulted the Wild haha! One bad hit. I believe this is a NYI thread and Minnesota has nothing to do with it. Focus on your own team while both our fans enjoy watching OUR teams tonight.

If they want him out that bad, he must be bad. Probably as bad as what we have already. No thanks.
- Jethro09

There is nothing wong with Liles he just doesn't fit on the Leafs...they have too many offensive dman already and although it's sad, the couple medicore defensive guys they have, they can't afford to send them down. Leafs certainly are not going to send down Franson, Ph9, Gardner or Gunnarson to make room for Liles and Reilly can't be send to down either....

Liles is stuck in a numbers game.....He has 7pts in 10 games with Marlies and +4...he should be on an NHL roster somewhere.

bold is where it's a problem. We have plenty of #5 defensemen and we don't want another signed for 2 more years.
- Isles_since_6

Really who? On the Islanders Liles makes your top 4.

There is nothing wong with Liles he just doesn't fit on the Leafs...they have too many offensive dman already and although it's sad, the couple medicore defensive guys they have, they can't afford to send them down. Leafs certainly are not going to send down Franson, Ph9, Gardner or Gunnarson to make room for Liles and Reilly can't be send to down either....

Liles is stuck in a numbers game.....He has 7pts in 10 games with Marlies and +4...he should be on an NHL roster somewhere.
- Cooshie

The only thing bad with Liles is his contract. Too many players on T.O.'s D like liles. If the NYI need an offensive Dman he would be a good fit.

whats up with that?
- Leaffan8113

I wonder the same thing... But Burke really was doing a good job.

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The Isles won't have to face Kadri.

- magmoo

love Juggy!

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The only thing bad with Liles is his contract. Too many players on T.O.'s D like liles. If the NYI need an offensive Dman he would be a good fit.
- Babalu88

That's the point I made in an earlier post....considering everyone knows the Leafs would eat a good portion of his contract, he would be a steal for another team needing an offensive dman.

Really who? On the Islanders Liles makes your top 4.
- striker777

chris farley could play in our top 4. It's not an upgrade.

We need a mobile, defense first defenseman to play in our top four to improve our defense. Until then we're just shuffling deck chairs on the titanic. Liles is another deck chair.

Grabner scored 34 goals as a rookie. 20 as a sophomore, & 16 in 45 games last season playing with the likes of Reasoner, Acton & this season primarily with Regina or Cziskas. You don't accomplish that with stone hands. If he were given 2nd line minutes with Nielsen who he played with as a rookie & 2nd line power play time consistently he would easily score 35 goals & 55 to 60 points but why would you do that when you can give that ice time to players like MacDonald. Why a player like Bailey gets better ice time & lineages over Grabner is baffling. Baileys best year points wise in the NHL is 35 points. 1 more point than Grabner had as a rookie in goals. He would have a much better chance of scoring if he actually played with some reasonably decent offensive players. Not these recycled rejects the Islanders keep cycling through the system.

chris farley could play in our top 4. It's not an upgrade.

We need a mobile, defense first defenseman to play in our top four to improve our defense. Until then we're just shuffling deck chairs on the titanic. Liles is another deck chair.
- Isles_since_6

Would Chris Farley have to clear waivers if we signed him??

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The only thing bad with Liles is his contract. Too many players on T.O.'s D like liles. If the NYI need an offensive Dman he would be a good fit.
- Babalu88

an offensive defenseman doesn't help us, we need defense. Our defense can't move anyone in front of the net and continually fall down and fail to the clear the zone. These are not problems Liles solves.

Would Chris Farley have to clear waivers if we signed him??

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- XxNYIxX

yes and he would not clear, Toronto would claim him and dress him as Mayor.

an offensive defenseman doesn't help us, we need defense. Our defense can't move anyone in front of the net and continually fall down and fail to the clear the zone. These are not problems Liles solves.
- Isles_since_6

Yes you need a solid stay at home Dman as well but Liles would bring several attributes to the team that are currently lacking. The ability to skate the puck out of your zone & make solid outlet passes. I admit he's not a pure defensive defenseman but he's not a liability to defensively.

Carlyle just didn't like him & they have a # of other Dman that play the same game so in Toronto he's expendable.

But if he could be acquired in the 2.3 to 2.5 range that is cheap for what he brings to the table. His actual pay drops from 4.2 to 2.75 in the final year of his deal so he has 1 of those contracts Snow loves. A bigger cap hut than actual dollars so you can stay as close to the cap floor as possible.

Acquiring him has no real downside unless he were to have another concussion.

Yes you need a solid stay at home Dman as well but Liles would bring several attributes to the team that are currently lacking. The ability to skate the puck out of your zone & make solid outlet passes. I admit he's not a pure defensive defenseman but he's not a liability to defensively.

Carlyle just didn't like him & they have a # of other Dman that play the same game so in Toronto he's expendable.

But if he could be acquired in the 2.3 to 2.5 range that is cheap for what he brings to the table. His actual pay drops from 4.2 to 2.75 in the final year of his deal so he has 1 of those contracts Snow loves. A bigger cap hut than actual dollars so you can stay as close to the cap floor as possible.

Acquiring him has no real downside unless he were to have another concussion.
- striker777

We have what he brings in Donovan & Visnovsky, We need someone that can keep a puck out of a net & make people pay for skating into the zone.

We need a player like Phaneuf, but better

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Yes you need a solid stay at home Dman as well but Liles would bring several attributes to the team that are currently lacking. The ability to skate the puck out of your zone & make solid outlet passes. I admit he's not a pure defensive defenseman but he's not a liability to defensively.

Carlyle just didn't like him & they have a # of other Dman that play the same game so in Toronto he's expendable.

But if he could be acquired in the 2.3 to 2.5 range that is cheap for what he brings to the table. His actual pay drops from 4.2 to 2.75 in the final year of his deal so he has 1 of those contracts Snow loves. A bigger cap hut than actual dollars so you can stay as close to the cap floor as possible.

Acquiring him has no real downside unless he were to have another concussion.
- striker777

as far as offensive minded defensemen, we have too many middling ones. Donovan and Ness are both able to make an outlet pass but they're both very young and will make mistakes. Hamonic is showing more of an offensive side this year (debatable if we like it, we want more defensive play) and Visnovsky was to be our pp qb, but he's still injured. We also have Dehaan (made of glass) as an offensive minded dman who may still make an appearance this year and Hickey is also capable of making a pass - the issue is that none of them are top tier offensive defensemen and are all middle of the road defensively on their best nights. Liles is not a tier above them and adding another doesn't do anything for us.

Unless they have the meanness of Carkner with the wheels of a Peter Postma, and the defensive awareness of a Willy Mitchell, I don't want it.

Would you see someone 5 tires of the same kind when they only need 4? (don't say a spare, we already have a full set of those)

We have what he brings in Donovan & Visnovsky, We need someone that can keep a puck out of a net & make people pay for skating into the zone.


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We need a player like Phaneuf, but better

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and less of a puss.

Really who? On the Islanders Liles makes your top 4.
- striker777

Liles only makes top 4 because of experience, be he is not what the Isles need.

Liles is a worse version of Streit......

Yes you need a solid stay at home Dman as well but Liles would bring several attributes to the team that are currently lacking. The ability to skate the puck out of your zone & make solid outlet passes. I admit he's not a pure defensive defenseman but he's not a liability to defensively.

Carlyle just didn't like him & they have a # of other Dman that play the same game so in Toronto he's expendable.

But if he could be acquired in the 2.3 to 2.5 range that is cheap for what he brings to the table. His actual pay drops from 4.2 to 2.75 in the final year of his deal so he has 1 of those contracts Snow loves. A bigger cap hut than actual dollars so you can stay as close to the cap floor as possible.

Acquiring him has no real downside unless he were to have another concussion.
- striker777

Again, you must not watch many Isles games, bc they have to many Liles on team, they need bigger stay-at-home D-men....
So maybe you can sell Liles to another team, cause it doesn't make sense on any Islander level.....

We have what he brings in Donovan & Visnovsky, We need someone that can keep a puck out of a net & make people pay for skating into the zone.

We need a player like Phaneuf, but better

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- XxNYIxX

Donovan isn't NHL ready & Visnovsky isn't even skating yet. By the time he's cleared to skate from his current concussion your playoff hopes might be lost.

Donovan isn't NHL ready & Visnovsky isn't even skating yet. By the time he's cleared to skate from his current concussion your playoff hopes might be lost.
- striker777

Last time I checked, its still early into the season.....

We have what he brings in Donovan & Visnovsky, We need someone that can keep a puck out of a net & make people pay for skating into the zone.

We need a player like Phaneuf, but better

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- XxNYIxX

If he hits the FA market, wuss or not, if I'm Snow I will definitely try to bring him here....

We have what he brings in Donovan & Visnovsky, We need someone that can keep a puck out of a net & make people pay for skating into the zone.

We need a player like Phaneuf, but better

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- XxNYIxX

that princess

Liles isn't 1 dimensional. He's a decent 2 way defenseman who could be had & for reasonable money. Your not getting Phaneuf or anyone like him. Trying to acquire top 6 NHL quality Dman is virtually impossible. No 1 will trade them at this time of year & then they only really become available if their UFA's & their existing team can't tell get them signed. Even then the cost in prospects & picks is very high. By the trade deadline NYI will be out of the playoff picture.

Donovan isn't NHL ready & Visnovsky isn't even skating yet. By the time he's cleared to skate from his current concussion your playoff hopes might be lost.
- striker777

Donovan, Ness, Hickey all have been fine lately. Not good, but not terrible. Where we keep getting burned is with AMac falling down and losing the puck, or standing in the crease deflecting pucks into the net.

It's not an outlet pass we need, we score plenty of goals. We need defense. Liles adds nothing defensively that's better than what we have, and 2 additional years on his contract will block our prospects when they're ready (Reinhart, Pullock, etc) which could be as early as next year for one, possibly two of them.

Watch the game tonight and see, we don't pick up the correct man defensively, we don't battle along the boards and we don't clear the crease. This is why we're losing games.

Liles adds nothing.

Liles isn't 1 dimensional. He's a decent 2 way defenseman who could be had & for reasonable money. Your not getting Phaneuf or anyone like him. Trying to acquire top 6 NHL quality Dman is virtually impossible. No 1 will trade them at this time of year & then they only really become available if their UFA's & their existing team can't tell get them signed. Even then the cost in prospects & picks is very high. By the trade deadline NYI will be out of the playoff picture.
- striker777

credibility = GONE.