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burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Nov 18 @ 4:22 PM ET
So...If we get Gleason. We don't ditch the salary but we get a player we can actually use for our 4 million.

Sounds like that would take Ranger-Danger out of the lineup.

Fraser-Gleason would be a pretty mean bottom pairing.

But then there's Rielly. I guess he's just chillin until someone gets hurt. Sounds like Fraser will sit it out tomorrow with his day to day injury.

- t_leafs21




What's this liles/Gleason stuff about?

Is it speculation from here?
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

Nov 18 @ 4:24 PM ET
It was such a good morning, then we started talking Bozak and Grabo

(frank)ing broken record

I'm out

Cheers all!!!!

1theNex
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 09.25.2013

Nov 18 @ 4:25 PM ET
Gleason is a tough bottom pairing guy that would most likely thrive under a coach like Carlyle. He would slide in the mix with Fraser, Ranger or Rielly on the bottom pairing and add depth to the d-core.

Liles is another offensive d-man that's stuck in the 8th spot and doesn't have a chance at playing unless the team gets decimated by injuries.

Carolina needs offense from the backend. We need a tough, shutdown guy. A JML for Gleason swap addresses areas of need for both teams. Both have identical contracts.

That's it.

- t_leafs21



got it thx for the info
t_leafs21
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Nylander - Matthews - Marner, forever, ON
Joined: 07.26.2010

Nov 18 @ 4:27 PM ET
What's this liles/Gleason stuff about?

Is it speculation from here?

- burn



Globe and mail guy brought it up apparently. All started with the GMs talking at the meetings.

Liles to Carolina has been floating around for a couple weeks and everyone is speculating on how to make it work. Carolina will have to ditch someone off the roster to bring in Liles. Obviously no one wants Komisarek and apparently Gleason is in Muller's doghouse. Has only played 4 games this year
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Nov 18 @ 4:30 PM ET
Globe and mail guy brought it up apparently. All started with the GMs talking at the meetings.

Liles to Carolina has been floating around for a couple weeks and everyone is speculating on how to make it work. Carolina will have to ditch someone off the roster to bring in Liles. Obviously no one wants Komisarek and apparently Gleason is in Muller's doghouse. Has only played 4 games this year

- t_leafs21




Interesting..... What globe guy?

Gleason makes more than liles, but maybe fits better with Carlyle than liles.

I had heard canes interested for a while now, but no names.
Red
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.12.2005

Nov 18 @ 4:34 PM ET
whose insecurities?

if you were here day in and day out you'd understand how this particular topic has become akin to fingernails on a chalkboard.

admittedly i was one of the guilty parties as well.. but i am trying to back off and lead by example.

- Dozzer



My apologies. I left for a bit. I thought it was obvious I was talking about HH. I agree with you. This topic and every other one HH adopts.

And I am here every day.
1979AD
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "I'm a Sens Fan!" -Kaptaan
Joined: 09.08.2010

Nov 18 @ 4:34 PM ET
Yeah 4 points in his first 7. Not 1 in seven.
- honesthockey


So you're saying that as historically streaky as Kessel is, he's less streaky when he plays with a natural C as opposed to a winger who played some centre in college.

Well done.
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Nov 18 @ 4:36 PM ET
well untill seguin is traded to the leafs at the deadline i kid i kid
- 1theNex


he's really finding his game in dallas huh?

now hes not in boston i dont hate him nearly as much lol
Dozzer
Referee
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Somewhere over the rainbow since I’m way up high
Joined: 09.15.2010

Nov 18 @ 4:37 PM ET
My apologies. I left for a bit. I thought it was obvious I was talking about HH. I agree with you. This topic and every other one HH adopts.
- Red


ummmm..... (be nice bruce be nice...) uhh... he's unwavering in his opinion



lol
1979AD
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "I'm a Sens Fan!" -Kaptaan
Joined: 09.08.2010

Nov 18 @ 4:37 PM ET
he's really finding his game in dallas huh?

now hes not in boston i dont hate him nearly as much lol

- Dozzer


Still an arrogant douche, but yeah, don't care now that he's all the way out in Texas.
1theNex
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 09.25.2013

Nov 18 @ 4:40 PM ET
he's really finding his game in dallas huh?

now hes not in boston i dont hate him nearly as much lol

- Dozzer



also doesn't hurt that Phil re-uped for 8yrs and has been top 10 in scoring for what the last 3 season? im now ok with this trade lol

mind you still would look good in a leafs jersey ..just saying it "could" happen
1theNex
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 09.25.2013

Nov 18 @ 4:42 PM ET
Still an arrogant douche, but yeah, don't care now that he's all the way out in Texas.
- 1979AD



arrogant ....check
top line center......check

would i still draft him..yes

can always beat the arrogance out him lol
t_leafs21
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Nylander - Matthews - Marner, forever, ON
Joined: 07.26.2010

Nov 18 @ 4:43 PM ET
Interesting..... What globe guy?

Gleason makes more than liles, but maybe fits better with Carlyle than liles.

I had heard canes interested for a while now, but no names.

- burn



It's in the article. Eric Duschatek or something.


Gleason literally makes 125k more lol


Wow. Just realized. We have three 2009 1st round picks on our roster now. Anyone know who they are?
mykokes
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: RELEASE THE LATVIAN!, ON
Joined: 11.09.2009

Nov 18 @ 4:48 PM ET
Globe and mail guy brought it up apparently. All started with the GMs talking at the meetings.

Liles to Carolina has been floating around for a couple weeks and everyone is speculating on how to make it work. Carolina will have to ditch someone off the roster to bring in Liles. Obviously no one wants Komisarek and apparently Gleason is in Muller's doghouse. Has only played 4 games this year

- t_leafs21


He was on IR.
1979AD
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "I'm a Sens Fan!" -Kaptaan
Joined: 09.08.2010

Nov 18 @ 4:55 PM ET
It's in the article. Eric Duschatek or something.


Gleason literally makes 125k more lol


Wow. Just realized. We have three 2009 1st round picks on our roster now. Anyone know who they are?

- t_leafs21


Kadri, Holland and John Tavares!!!
t_leafs21
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Nylander - Matthews - Marner, forever, ON
Joined: 07.26.2010

Nov 18 @ 4:57 PM ET
Kadri, Holland and John Tavares!!!
- 1979AD




....ding ding ding lol


I'm out. later!
AngryWhiteMale
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 09.14.2010

Nov 18 @ 5:04 PM ET
There was a time not too long ago when Gleason was considered a very steady blueliner.
Fruitcakenipple
Location: NF
Joined: 01.12.2011

Nov 18 @ 5:09 PM ET
There was a time not too long ago when Gleason was considered a very steady blueliner.
- AngryWhiteMale



He most certainly was very steady...Injuries has been a concern lately but it's certainly an interesting trade rumor..
gravyface
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I wouldn't even trade [Marner] for McDavid -- UsernameUnknown
Joined: 02.19.2009

Nov 18 @ 5:11 PM ET
There was a time not too long ago when Gleason was considered a very steady blueliner.
- AngryWhiteMale


Yeah, I agree. I'd rather Gleason over Liles in the same position in the depth chart, even for $125K more: younger, defensive-minded, tough; an older more expensive Fraser, basically.

It's a good hockey trade if they pull it off, IMO.
Yeti1181
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: I'm AWESOME, AB
Joined: 07.27.2012

Nov 18 @ 5:15 PM ET
Kadri, Holland and John Tavares!!!
- 1979AD

I like Holland first game, seemed defensively responsible and was good with the puck and had some creativity. Hopefully improves as he goes farther but def enjoyed his first game.
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Nov 18 @ 5:15 PM ET
There was a time not too long ago when Komisarek was considered a very steady blueliner.
- AngryWhiteMale

Fixed
gravyface
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I wouldn't even trade [Marner] for McDavid -- UsernameUnknown
Joined: 02.19.2009

Nov 18 @ 5:16 PM ET
Holland: don't see this guy sticking around once Bozak and Kadri are back. He's not a bottom 6 guy and McClement and Smithson fill those roles more aptly.

Still, might see something like this:

JVR Bozak Kessel
Lupul Kadri Clarkson
Raymond Holland Kulemin
McClement Smithson Orr
McLaren

I actually like that the best while Bolland is on the LTIR. A 4th line that's actually useful (and Orr almost looks like a hockey player out there most of the time) and a 3rd line that has speed and can put up points.
shmenge
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 06.18.2011

Nov 18 @ 5:16 PM ET
Yeah, I agree. I'd rather Gleason over Liles in the same position in the depth chart, even for $125K more: younger, defensive-minded, tough; an older more expensive Fraser, basically.

It's a good hockey trade if they pull it off, IMO.

- gravyface

Yeti1181
Referee
Edmonton Oilers
Location: I'm AWESOME, AB
Joined: 07.27.2012

Nov 18 @ 5:16 PM ET
Yeah, I agree. I'd rather Gleason over Liles in the same position in the depth chart, even for $125K more: younger, defensive-minded, tough; an older more expensive Fraser, basically.

It's a good hockey trade if they pull it off, IMO.

- gravyface

It would be a solid hockey trade for both.
markmark
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 07.27.2010

Nov 18 @ 5:19 PM ET
Holland: don't see this guy sticking around once Bozak and Kadri are back. He's not a bottom 6 guy and McClement and Smithson fill those roles more aptly.

Still, might see something like this:

JVR Bozak Kessel
Lupul Kadri Clarkson
Raymond Holland Kulemin
McClement Smithson Orr
McLaren

I actually like that the best while Bolland is on the LTIR. A 4th line that's actually useful (and Orr almost looks like a hockey player out there most of the time) and a 3rd line that has speed and can put up points.

- gravyface


Assuming Bolland is back during the season. Does Holland land in the AHL or on the wing when all of our original centers are healthy?
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