There is a big difference between Voracek and Simmonds. I could see the Jets trading Buff for Voracek straight up.
- PhillySportsGuy

Your right there is, but they were also including Little in the deal... Subtract Little from thier side is about equal value replacing Simmonds for Voracek if that makes sense.

Your right there is, but they were also including Little in the deal... Subtract Little from thier side is about equal value replacing Simmonds for Voracek if that makes sense.
- youarewrong

I feel like they'd want Voracek. I'd certainly rather have Voracek than Simmonds and Schenn, if I were them. They have Bogo who does similar things to Schenn but better.

Pretty much. They're still the bright, shiny thing in town, and they can ride that for as long as the fans remember that they're still trying to dig themselves out of Waddell's mess.

Homer's been at this for awhile now... and the sheer number of f-ups and about-faces and ill-advised moves have really piled up... he's probably the most desperate GM in the league right now... even MacT can say that he inherited Tambellini's mess.
- Tomahawk

Calgary was kind of a joke at the last deadline, and I was praying to get Giordano out of there. Unfortunately, Feaster hung on to him.

Edmonton is the same joke. Even if they dont have that attractive young d-man the Flyers need, that is where I see the best trade happening. The pressure is high there. Let them suffer until the deadline or draft time and try and see how desperate they are around that time. Have to hit them in the nuts when the time is right. I'd wait a little longer.

Exactly. Having too many good centers is a good thing. If he's an NHL-caliber player, you play him. Plus, it's not a given that B. Schenn will be here next year as he could be traded as well.
- jmatchett383

Homer himself has said forwards are forwards.

There's no magic to center v right wing v left wing. If you can play forward....

FWIW
I would prefer they not rush into ANY deals right now. Continue to show patience and lets see where they are in a month or 2. Also while they seem deep at center and swapping some of that depth for help on D would seem to make sense, never forget that it only takes one serious injury for that depth to evaporate.

I'd be fine with waiting til the offseason to try and pick up a good mobile Dman and for them to continue to let their youth develop.

Fan pressure is one thing. The problem with your theory here is that Ed Snider doesn't give a single (frank) what the Flyers fanbase wants, so long as they keep buying tickets and coming to games.

The pressure in Winnipeg will be from ownership, wanting to get playoff revenues. They might decide that they need a bold move to help the Jets get into the playoffs just for the revenue it would bring.
- Jsaquella

Well the thing with Winnipeg, is that the place is basically sold out for the next century. I have no idea what goes on in the minds of management, but the team is the biggest thing in the city. Only thing actually haha. That pressure is squarely on Noel right now, and not much is on management. That idea that True North, wants increased revenue at all cost with a playoff run is possible, but I dont see it to be honest.

A small amount of tickets come out for every game, with a sweepstakes kind of thing where fans are randomly chosen to have a chance to buy tickets. I got mine last week from some guy wanting to sell his.

Thing with the Flyers, at least from a revenue side, fans can go see them if they choose to. Pay money. Yet at times choose to complain about management. The easiest way to send that message is to stop going to games. Kind of why I laugh at Edmonton, and Toronto. Teams that cried about poopty management for a decade yet continued to buy tickets.

FWIW
I would prefer they not rush into ANY deals right now. Continue to show patience and lets see where they are in a month or 2. Also while they seem deep at center and swapping some of that depth for help on D would seem to make sense, never forget that it only takes one serious injury for that depth to evaporate.

I'd be fine with waiting til the offseason to try and pick up a good mobile Dman and for them to continue to let their youth develop.
- BiggE

Right on. At least what I would like to see. Let it play out for this season. See if Guss can bring more, and if Luke Schenn can rebound.

When injuries hit, play Oliver/Alt instead of Meszaros and Gill. See what the young kids up front have, and if Berube is the right guy long term.

Grow this poop, a little more organically. Good conversation hooligans. Good day, and good hockey

Well the thing with Winnipeg, is that the place is basically sold out for the next century. I have no idea what goes on in the minds of management, but the team is the biggest thing in the city. Only thing actually haha. That pressure is squarely on Noel right now, and not much is on management. That idea that True North, wants increased revenue at all cost with a playoff run is possible, but I dont see it to be honest.

A small amount of tickets come out for every game, with a sweepstakes kind of thing where fans are randomly chosen to have a chance to buy tickets. I got mine last week from some guy wanting to sell his.

Thing with the Flyers, at least from a revenue side, fans can go see them if they choose to. Pay money. Yet at times choose to complain about management. The easiest way to send that message is to stop going to games. Kind of why I laugh at Edmonton, and Toronto. Teams that cried about poopty management for a decade yet continued to buy tickets.
- flyer_nutter

Yes, fans can decide to stop going to games. Some have, yet the Flyers still sell pretty well.

I realize that the MTS center is smaller, and as such tickets are at a premium. But do you realize that playoff revenues go into the owner's pockets. Players during the playoffs don't get paid directly by their team, it comes from the NHL as a whole.

There's been teams that made a half decent playoff run one year and brought a franchise their first year of financially being in the black, or making money. Post season hockey generates HUGE revenues for the home team owners.

Lupul? Bobrovsky? Richards? Carter? At least we got Downie back.
- Tomahawk

Lupul and Sbisa went for Pronger... so not worried about that.
They got Bob... we got Mason... maybe not in same deal but I think we win that deal.
Richards and Carter... we got younger so push...

I feel like they'd want Voracek. I'd certainly rather have Voracek than Simmonds and Schenn, if I were them. They have Bogo who does similar things to Schenn but better.
- PhillySportsGuy

I wasnt saying Schenn. I was saying Coburn.

Homer himself has said forwards are forwards.

There's no magic to center v right wing v left wing. If you can play forward....
- bodiva88

He had also said if Laughton was going to make the team this year it would be at Center and not wing. People say a lot just to get the media gone for the day.....

He's held on to the most recent group of kids, so far, but let's not pretend that he made the Richards/Carter trades because he had an eye on the future. As for the previous group of kids, and the one before that... I think Giroux is really the only one left.
- Tomahawk

Well, in fairness, those trades were for younger players/picks(prospects)...I remember saying/thinking at the time this could be a short term step back, as those players (Jake, BSchenn, Simmonds + picks etc.) will take some time to develop and make an impact.

He had also said if Laughton was going to make the team this year it would be at Center and not wing. People say a lot just to get the media gone for the day.....
- youarewrong

He had no problem playing Schenn at wing from the get-go this season after using him almost exclusively as a C before.

Absolutely love Grossmann. He would have an "A" on his jersey if its me. I try to keep him at all cost.
- flyer_nutter

I'll let you buy one for my Grossmann jersey. Do you sew?

They will definitely be trying to sign him. That's a given.
- PhillySportsGuy

I could dig it

Since the Flyers traded Talbot, they are 4-2-2.

Since Colordao traded Downie, they are 4-4, after a 10-1 start
- Jsaquella

According to Don Cherry, we're 5-1-2 since the Emery fight. Didn't seem right to me, although I do feel the Emery fight was a positive turning point for us.

According to Don Cherry, we're 5-1-2 since the Emery fight. Didn't seem right to me, although I do feel the Emery fight was a positive turning point for us.
- Schenn2shine

Wouldn't be the first time a team used a brawl to come to gether and rally the troops.

FWIW
I would prefer they not rush into ANY deals right now. Continue to show patience and lets see where they are in a month or 2. Also while they seem deep at center and swapping some of that depth for help on D would seem to make sense, never forget that it only takes one serious injury for that depth to evaporate.

I'd be fine with waiting til the offseason to try and pick up a good mobile Dman and for them to continue to let their youth develop.
- BiggE

IMO you can be a patient as you want, your are still going to need a sniper and a Top defenseman.

IMO you can be a patient as you want, your are still going to need a sniper and a Top defenseman.
- youarewrong

We're a franchise goalie away from needing hockey's holy trinity.

Absolutely love Grossmann. He would have an "A" on his jersey if its me. I try to keep him at all cost.
- flyer_nutter

I love the make of this entire team. I was extremely disappointed when Gagne wasn't resigned but Downie absolutely seems like a much better fit than aging Gagne and an even older Cleary. There isn't a single player I want to see moved unless it's a major upgrade.

Add his shot blocking, and bone-crunching, smart hits and I couldn't agree more!

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- FlyersGrace

Oh, absolutely...his physical brand of defense is his strength, no doubt, but I think people often reach for knocks on him in saying he's slow or can't move the puck or contribute at all offensively, which I think is off the mark..again he's not going to put up a lot of points, but he's not a hinderance either and does a good job of keeping the puck moving when he gets it.

FWIW
I would prefer they not rush into ANY deals right now. Continue to show patience and lets see where they are in a month or 2. Also while they seem deep at center and swapping some of that depth for help on D would seem to make sense, never forget that it only takes one serious injury for that depth to evaporate.

I'd be fine with waiting til the offseason to try and pick up a good mobile Dman and for them to continue to let their youth develop.
- BiggE

It's fine to be patient, but despite the talent added during the last couple drafts, they still have needs to fill.

Luke Schenn is never going to be an adept puck mover with good mobility. You can be as patient as you want, but it's not going to happen.

Grated, running out blindly and overpaying to fill the needs is dumb. But it's not a guarantee to just sit on your hands.

Lupul and Sbisa went for Pronger... so not worried about that.
They got Bob... we got Mason... maybe not in same deal but I think we win that deal.
Richards and Carter... we got younger so push...
- youarewrong

Kings have a Cup... Leafs and Ducks are franchises fully on the rise, and the Jackets are improving... meanwhile, the Flyers are on their way to missing the PO's for the second straight season. It doesn't look like those deals have worked out very well for us so far.

Lupul? Bobrovsky? Richards? Carter? At least we got Downie back.
- Tomahawk

I woudn't reverse the Carter/Richards trades, as much as I in some way wish we had them back, I like the return...just need more patience to reap the full benefits imo.

He had no problem playing Schenn at wing from the get-go this season after using him almost exclusively as a C before.
- jmatchett383

I think it matters depending on the player. Some guys just cant transition... Like Briere. And some guys refuse to transition... like Brindy.

I was just pointing out that GM's sometimes contradict themselves. Saying that you can just take 12 centers and make a team out of them, isnt likely the brightest idea... I doubt you will ever see Coutuirer moved to wing.... I doubt you see Giroux moved to wing... I doubt you see Lecavalier moved to wing for an extended period of time...

Cousins is making an arguement to play some minutes... Laughton is coming up, and the team has needs... I think the pth is obvious.