Meh, Coburn is a guy I find hard to defend.

Much like the team currently, he is on a hot streak. I want to see if he can keep it up all season, because he is known for being insanely inconsistent.

If it does come down to keeping Grossmann or Schenn, I would like both but I prefer Grossmann. Love the stability he brings, and he is on a very friendly cap deal.
- flyer_nutter

A d core of Phaneuf, Schenn, Grossmann and Streit next season would be scary slow. Maybe Gus would add some speed. I Like Coburn, but he needs so many things to be right for him to play well. He needs a good partner and a good team in front of him otherwise he's pretty bad.

Well, people felt the same about Dean Lombardi, prior to the Richards deal and then he followed it up with the Carter-Johnson swap.

You never know if a guy is pressed to make a move. Cheveldayoff hasn't sniffedthe playoffs yet as a NHL GM. Maybe he would act if he felt his job was in danger, like Waddell did in Atlanta.
- Jsaquella

Much like the Flyers, the next move the Jets will make is firing Noel. The writing has been on the wall.

Much like the Flyers, the next move the Jets will make is firing Noel. The writing has been on the wall.
- flyer_nutter

I'm surprised he wasn't gone before now.

Well, people felt the same about Dean Lombardi, prior to the Richards deal and then he followed it up with the Carter-Johnson swap.

You never know if a guy is pressed to make a move. Cheveldayoff hasn't sniffedthe playoffs yet as a NHL GM. Maybe he would act if he felt his job was in danger, like Waddell did in Atlanta.
- Jsaquella

Between Homer and Chevldayoff, who's footing is more tenuous right now, though?

That's why I'd be worried if those two teams talked trade.

Regardless, I don't think the Jets are trading him for anything less than B. Schenn+ or Couts+
- PhillySportsGuy

A few weeks ago Ek had a rumor that they were asking for Coburn, Vorack, a 2nd, and a blue chip prospect for Buff and Little... this was while Voracek was majorly struggling and before Little was lighting it up... I think Coburn, Simmonds, and either the 2nd or Cousins gets Buff. Its a fair deal for a top O d-man in the league, signed to a very reasonable contract over a very resaonable term. 2nd pairing d-man, 2-3rd line winger with potential, and a blue chip prospect or draft pick...

Anything more without more in return, I walk away and talk to St. Louis about J-Bo. But we all know Yandle will cost more then Buff just from previous trade talks. They were asking for Couts plus Simmonds.

Between Homer and Chevldayoff, who's footing is more tenuous right now, though?

That's why I'd be worried if those two teams talked trade.
- Tomahawk

I feel like Homer has way too much respect for the organization to make a move to help save his job. I don't think he'd trade a player like Read for Dan Boyle down the stretch or something along those lines.

A d core of Phaneuf, Schenn, Grossmann and Streit next season would be scary slow. Maybe Gus would add some speed. I Like Coburn, but he needs so many things to be right for him to play well. He needs a good partner and a good team in front of him otherwise he's pretty bad.
- PhillySportsGuy

Im pretty low on Guss to be honest. I know playing with somebody more established and stable would benefit him but for him to be an NHL regular imo he needs to really elevate that offensive game, to limit his defensive short-comings.

I think they hope he becomes a poor man's Enstrom/Krug but at this point Im not seeing too much, still early in his career though and he has shown promise.

It's hard to speculate for me what that defense will look like next year, so many question marks. When the team had a healthy and really strong Timonen they needed one more big elite guy to compete in Pronger. With Timonen's departure I do believe they will need 2 guys to be honest.

Its why I say this thing will take time. I am okay with that, if its done properly.

Between Homer and Chevldayoff, who's footing is more tenuous right now, though?

That's why I'd be worried if those two teams talked trade.
- Tomahawk

I'd have concerns, too...but it's not Byfuglien or nothing. There's plenty of other options.

Honestly, my issue isn't because I think they should go Hell's Bells for Byfuglien. It's because people are dismissing him out of hand without looking at the whole picture. I'm tired of reading fat and lazy and inconsistent, with zero attention being paid to the fact that he's a damned good offensive defenseman who is very capable in the transition game, is only 28 and fills a very big need the team has.

I'm certainly not saying they should do whatever it takes to land him.

I'm surprised he wasn't gone before now.
- Jsaquella

Speculation has been this is his one last true shot, along with Pavalec.

- flyer_nutter

That's retired Primeau. I'm okay with retired Primeau.

A few weeks ago Ek had a rumor that they were asking for Coburn, Vorack, a 2nd, and a blue chip prospect for Buff and Little... this was while Voracek was majorly struggling and before Little was lighting it up... I think Coburn, Simmonds, and either the 2nd or Cousins gets Buff. Its a fair deal for a top O d-man in the league, signed to a very reasonable contract over a very resaonable term. 2nd pairing d-man, 2-3rd line winger with potential, and a blue chip prospect or draft pick...

Anything more without more in return, I walk away and talk to St. Louis about J-Bo. But we all know Yandle will cost more then Buff just from previous trade talks. They were asking for Couts plus Simmonds.
- youarewrong

There is a big difference between Voracek and Simmonds. I could see the Jets trading Buff for Voracek straight up.

He's held on to the most recent group of kids, so far, but let's not pretend that he made the Richards/Carter trades because he had an eye on the future. As for the previous group of kids, and the one before that... I think Giroux is really the only one left.
- Tomahawk

Other then JVR I cant say there is a young guy that Homer traded away that made me wish we had him back... I mean Nodl? Even Sbisa is eh... for now.

Im pretty low on Guss to be honest. I know playing with somebody more established and stable would benefit him but for him to be an NHL regular imo he needs to really elevate that offensive game, to limit his defensive short-comings.

I think they hope he becomes a poor man's Enstrom/Krug but at this point Im not seeing too much, still early in his career though and he has shown promise.

It's hard to speculate for me what that defense will look like next year, so many question marks. When the team had a healthy and really strong Timonen they needed one more big elite guy to compete in Pronger. With Timonen's departure I do believe they will need 2 guys to be honest.

Its why I say this thing will take time. I am okay with that, if its done properly.
- flyer_nutter

I agree. The defense next year will be pretty weak unless the team pulls a rabbit out of its hat and acquires a top flight dman.

Other then JVR I cant say there is a young guy that Homer traded away that made me wish we had him back... I mean Nodl? Even Sbisa is eh... for now.
- youarewrong

Unnamed #27 overall pick (Carlson? Markstrom?) for Steve Eminger.

Other then JVR I cant say there is a young guy that Homer traded away that made me wish we had him back... I mean Nodl? Even Sbisa is eh... for now.
- youarewrong

I think the Canes claimed Nodl

I know you're being sarcastic there, but I have a high level of appreciation for Grossmann's game. I think he's one of the better defensive D men in the league...and I don't think he's strictly one dimensional...not saying he's a producer, but he makes good basic plays to move the puck, makes some good o-zone keep ins and gets pucks deep..and he's not slow for his size...he may not be an offensive catalyst, but he's not limiting the offense when he's out there imo. I'm a fan.
- exlund

Add his shot blocking, and bone-crunching, smart hits and I couldn't agree more!

Is he perfect? Nope. But he's a damn fine player who I think doesn't get enough love on this board.

Other then JVR I cant say there is a young guy that Homer traded away that made me wish we had him back... I mean Nodl? Even Sbisa is eh... for now.
- youarewrong

Lupul? Bobrovsky? Richards? Carter? At least we got Downie back.

Other then JVR I cant say there is a young guy that Homer traded away that made me wish we had him back... I mean Nodl? Even Sbisa is eh... for now.
- youarewrong

Bobrovsky, although the subsequent trade for Mason has made that one moot.

My big issue with the Flyers, under Holmgren, is the willingness to change the plan at the drop of a hat. They were built around Carter and Richards, got to a SCF, had a set back and tore it down.

Between Homer and Chevldayoff, who's footing is more tenuous right now, though?

That's why I'd be worried if those two teams talked trade.
- Tomahawk

I think you have to look at expectations for the team. That "high" is still present and Chev has time. Fans here know that the team doesnt have the pocket book, or attraction that other big teams have. It has to be done slowly, and organically through good drafting. He also has the ability to point at Roy and what a turnaround he was able to make with esentially the same lineup, but now with Sacco gone.

In terms of Holmgren, and at least what I know of Philadelphia, the patience is low. The team is on a hot streak now, but that slow start still looms. We will see what happens.

There is no pressure really in Winnipeg, not yet anyway. Which is why I dont really put Holmgren on a podium, with a medal so easily. He has all the tools available to him. Unlimited cash, attractive destination...

Other then JVR I cant say there is a young guy that Homer traded away that made me wish we had him back... I mean Nodl? Even Sbisa is eh... for now.
- youarewrong

Sergei Bobrovsky qualifies imo, but otherwise I agree.

Add his shot blocking, and bone-crunching, smart hits and I couldn't agree more!

Is he perfect? Nope. But he's a damn fine player who I think doesn't get enough love on this board.
- FlyersGrace

Absolutely love Grossmann. He would have an "A" on his jersey if its me. I try to keep him at all cost.

Many fear provoking the mayor's anger.
- Flyskippy

Can't breathe...

No really...

I think you have to look at expectations for the team. That "high" is still present and Chev has time. Fans here know that the team doesnt have the pocket book, or attraction that other big teams have. It has to be done slowly, and organically through good drafting. He also has the ability to point at Roy and what a turnaround he was able to make with esentially the same lineup, but now with Sacco gone.

In terms of Holmgren, and at least what I know of Philadelphia, the patience is low. The team is on a hot streak now, but that slow start still looms. We will see what happens.

There is no pressure really in Winnipeg, not yet anyway.
- flyer_nutter

Pretty much. They're still the bright, shiny thing in town, and they can ride that for as long as the fans remember that they're still trying to dig themselves out of Waddell's mess.

Homer's been at this for awhile now... and the sheer number of f-ups and about-faces and ill-advised moves have really piled up... he's probably the most desperate GM in the league right now... even MacT can say that he inherited Tambellini's mess.

I think you have to look at expectations for the team. That "high" is still present and Chev has time. Fans here know that the team doesnt have the pocket book, or attraction that other big teams have. It has to be done slowly, and organically through good drafting. He also has the ability to point at Roy and what a turnaround he was able to make with esentially the same lineup, but now with Sacco gone.

In terms of Holmgren, and at least what I know of Philadelphia, the patience is low. The team is on a hot streak now, but that slow start still looms. We will see what happens.

There is no pressure really in Winnipeg, not yet anyway. Which is why I dont really put Holmgren on a podium, with a medal so easily. He has all the tools available to him. Unlimited cash, attractive destination...
- flyer_nutter

Fan pressure is one thing. The problem with your theory here is that Ed Snider doesn't give a single (frank) what the Flyers fanbase wants, so long as they keep buying tickets and coming to games.

The pressure in Winnipeg will be from ownership, wanting to get playoff revenues. They might decide that they need a bold move to help the Jets get into the playoffs just for the revenue it would bring.

Can't breathe...

No really...

- FlyersGrace