Re: Buff

Who would ne easier to acquire: Big Buff or (the now inured) Jacob Trouba?
- jmatchett383

Probably Byfuglien. Trouba could be a Doughty level stud.

I'll agree to disagree rather than tie up the board with a 5-page debate on 1) the deficiencies in the games of Schenn & Simmonds and 2) how they can easily be replaced.
- Flyskippy

Regardless, I don't think the Jets are trading him for anything less than B. Schenn+ or Couts+

Yep. McGinn could replace Simmer and Lauridsen or someone like him could replaces Schenn.
- Flyskippy

If you traded LSchenn and Simmonds for Buff then Lauridsen wouldn't be any nearer the team. I think he still be 10th behind these guys:

Byfuglien
Coburn
Kimmo
Streit
Grossmann
Gustafsson
Meszaros
Gill
Alt

Many fear provoking the mayor's anger.
- Flyskippy

Probably Byfuglien. Trouba could be a Doughty level stud.
- Jsaquella

You could probably get Evander Kane before you could get them to table Trouba.

Neither.

Honestly not trying to be a doom, and gloom guy but the Jets will be horrific to trade with. You will have to overpay to get anything of decent value from that club.
- flyer_nutter

I was just saying that, instead of going for the home run (Buff) that people want, why not go with a better young player who can grow? Guys like Trouba, Gardiner, J.T. Miller, etc. are young player who we could try to grow. Not sure how much the price would change, if at all.

Regardless, I don't think the Jets are trading him for anything less than B. Schenn+ or Couts+
- PhillySportsGuy

If that's the case, you walk away.

Simple enough. You have to make a good trade, not just blindly fill a need. That's what they did in the JvR trade.

Also, on Nutter's point, I said last night on the last blog I didnt see the Flyers and Jets as especially good trade partners, because I expected them to want Bryaden Schenn.

If you traded LSchenn and Simmonds for Buff then Lauridsen wouldn't be any nearer the team. I think he still be 10th behind these guys:

Byfuglien
Coburn
Kimmo
Streit
Grossmann
Gustafsson
Meszaros
Gill
Alt
- Feanor

This year, yes. Didn't meant this year. Seravalli, I need to be more specific for this audience.

I was just saying that, instead of going for the home run (Buff) that people want, why not go with a better young player who can grow? Guys like Trouba, Gardiner, J.T. Miller, etc. are young player who we could try to grow. Not sure how much the price would change, if at all.
- jmatchett383

I'd also be fine with that route, in fact would be more willing to go that route, than to trade for Byfuglien.

But that assumes those players are even available.

They will definitely be trying to sign him. That's a given.
- PhillySportsGuy

I am kind of okay with this I suppose. He has been reasonably healthy, and knows the pressure of the big city lights.

That defense has a lot of question marks to me. They need that "elite", which is so hard to get.

That, and I have no issues with keeping Luke Schenn around long term, but dont be paying him to be something more than he is. A lower pairing, defensive d-man with questionable skating.

- flyer_nutter

I wouldn't, but that's me hoping the Flyers would operate more like the Kings, Sharks, 'Hawks or Pens, instead of doing the whole Biggest Name Available thing that we're used to.

I'm secretly hoping Hextall can bring substantive change to the front-office, even as an assistant, where they're more methodical and more analytical and take a longer view of the roster... but I'm not holding my breath.
- Tomahawk

I think it's worth noting, Holmgren has kind of quietly managed to bring in a lot of young players/prospects and, in what seems to be a departure from the past "win now at all costs" strategy book, has refrained from trading that youth for vets..so far.

I'd also be fine with that route, in fact would be more willing to go that route, than to trade for Byfuglien.

But that assumes those players are even available.
- Jsaquella

I don't think Buff is necessarily available. I think Gardiner may be, since they're thin down the middle. But I'm terrified of making another forward for D trade with them.

For a fanbase that would defend Mason & Downie against their past knocks, some hurdles are just too big to overcome. Because we're fat too.


- Flyskippy

I came into camp down 15 lbs this season!

Neither.

Honestly not trying to be a doom, and gloom guy but the Jets will be horrific to trade with. You will have to overpay to get anything of decent value from that club.
- flyer_nutter

Yeah, Cheveldayoff & Co. are notoriously conservative in the trade market... they've literally never traded away an NHL regular before, and have almost exclusively only been willing to give up middling draft picks for bargain pickups. They'll only be enticed to make a bold move if given an offer they can't refuse... I don't want to see Homer doing that.

I was just saying that, instead of going for the home run (Buff) that people want, why not go with a better young player who can grow? Guys like Trouba, Gardiner, J.T. Miller, etc. are young player who we could try to grow. Not sure how much the price would change, if at all.
- jmatchett383

I think Trouba is as close to untouchable as say Brodin or Voynov.

I want to stay away from the trading route for a while to be honest, but that is just me.

The Flyers have enough mediocrity throughout the lineup. Especially on defense. I dont want to overpay to bring more of that in. If you make a trade, and give up those bigger blue chip pieces, imo you do it to get as close to that elite guy as you can.

Let this poop grow more organically.

Neither.

Honestly not trying to be a doom, and gloom guy but the Jets will be horrific to trade with. You will have to overpay to get anything of decent value from that club.
- flyer_nutter

I'm not sure what your basing this on other then speculation.

Yeah, Cheveldayoff & Co. are notoriously conservative in the trade market... they've literally never traded away an NHL regular before, and have almost exclusively only been willing to give up middling draft picks for bargain pickups. They'll only be enticed to make a bold move if given an offer they can't refuse... I don't want to see Homer doing that.
- Tomahawk

Luke Schenn, a $10 gift card to Dave and Buster's, and a jacket as well as a $25 voucher to Sugar Park Casino for Buff.

I don't think Buff is necessarily available. I think Gardiner may be, since they're thin down the middle. But I'm terrified of making another forward for D trade with them.
- jmatchett383

You never know until you ask. I'd kick the tires on a lot of these guys. Who knows, maybe somebody is frustrated with slow development and does another Coburn for Zhitnik swap. Or has a real pressing needs for some offense up front. Or simply has a hard on for a particular player and is willing to "overpay" to acquire him.

I am kind of okay with this I suppose. He has been reasonably healthy, and knows the pressure of the big city lights.

That defense has a lot of question marks to me. They need that "elite", which is so hard to get.

That, and I have no issues with keeping Luke Schenn around long term, but dont be paying him to be something more than he is. A lower pairing, defensive d-man with questionable skating.
- flyer_nutter

I wouldn't mind Phaneuf either, but he's going to cost a lot. I imagine Grossmann would be gone if the team signed Phaneuf. I would want to keep Coburn and his mobility in that case.

I don't think Buff is necessarily available. I think Gardiner may be, since they're thin down the middle. But I'm terrified of making another forward for D trade with them.
- jmatchett383

Which comes into play here. Do we all still really trust Holmgren in trading young talent, and getting fair deals?

I worry about this. He has a knack for overpaying far too often.

I think it's worth noting, Holmgren has kind of quietly managed to bring in a lot of young players/prospects and, in what seems to be a departure from the past "win now at all costs" strategy book, has refrained from trading that youth for vets..so far.
- exlund

He's held on to the most recent group of kids, so far, but let's not pretend that he made the Richards/Carter trades because he had an eye on the future. As for the previous group of kids, and the one before that... I think Giroux is really the only one left.

Yeah, Cheveldayoff & Co. are notoriously conservative in the trade market... they've literally never traded away an NHL regular before, and have almost exclusively only been willing to give up middling draft picks for bargain pickups. They'll only be enticed to make a bold move if given an offer they can't refuse... I don't want to see Homer doing that.
- Tomahawk

Well, people felt the same about Dean Lombardi, prior to the Richards deal and then he followed it up with the Carter-Johnson swap.

You never know if a guy is pressed to make a move. Cheveldayoff hasn't sniffedthe playoffs yet as a NHL GM. Maybe he would act if he felt his job was in danger, like Waddell did in Atlanta.

I wouldn't mind Phaneuf either, but he's going to cost a lot. I imagine Grossmann would be gone if the team signed Phaneuf. I would want to keep Coburn and his mobility in that case.
- PhillySportsGuy

Meh, Coburn is a guy I find hard to defend.

Much like the team currently, he is on a hot streak. I want to see if he can keep it up all season, because he is known for being insanely inconsistent.

If it does come down to keeping Grossmann or Schenn, I would like both but I prefer Grossmann. Love the stability he brings, and he is on a very friendly cap deal.

I'm not sure what your basing this on other then speculation.
- youarewrong

Anyone care to answer this for him?