The issue with Buff to me isnt whether he would improve the team.

The bigger issue here is you have to look at who you are trading with.

The Jets, as a franchise set up to grow organically, and one that has stayed away from the FA market will ask for the moon for Buff, who is one of the 3 big faces of the team. (Ladd, Buff and Kane)

If people thought getting Pronger was expensive, you will weep at the cost of bringing in Buff. Jets are a joke team to trade with.

You will not have many teams looking to trade at this time anyway. I'd really like to just let the current group play out, and see what they can do at the deadline. Lets see if this little hot streak can keep going, because thats all it really is right now.

They arent contenders, or anywhere close to it. The team needs more than 1 player, to make them a top tier club.

prognostications like this are pretty ballsy IMO. first off, no one can see the future without use of magic mirrors...teams have made full season turn arounds from one to the next. who's different from the team that went to the ECSF and blew it against the devils which leaves us at MORE of a disadvantage?

second, there is NO WAY that the flyers brass could or should feel the same way...they wouldn't be doing their jobs. i can see this team being 2-3 pieces away from being a legit contender. who says they can't do that over 18 months?

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- eshake

Post of the day. But I would have went with the full Kings of Metal cover.

Even if it was Simmonds & Schenn for just Byfuglien, I'd think long and hard...not trading a bunch of kids & picks.

It's also not a knock in Simmonds or Schenn, it's adding a piece that the team lacks at the expense of pieces they can more easily replace
- Jsaquella

Yep. McGinn could replace Simmer and Lauridsen or someone like him could replaces Schenn.

Yep. McGinn could replace Simmer and Lauridsen or someone like him could replaces Schenn.
- Flyskippy

Replace in the lineup, yes. But I'm not sold on either being full-time NHL players for the next 8-10 years. I can see that for both Simmonds and Schenn.

In total agreement.

Byfuglien is signed for two years. They will not be competing for a cup in the next two years. Do you want to sign Byfuglien to a large extension at age 30?
- PhillySportsGuy

So certain are you? With the way teams have made turn arounds?!?

What does it say about the Flyers current defense core, that a lazy, fat, out of shape Byfuglien who lacks discipline is head and shoulders better than anyone on the Flyers roster?
- PLindbergh31

Which is kind of where I wouldnt be completely against in bringing him in, I just dont see a fair deal with the Jets happening.

We tend to laugh at guys like Letang, or Buff but they would instantly become the #1 d-men on this team if they were brought in. I'd really love to see Brodin, but I think he has hit OEL status in Minny.

The issue with Buff to me isnt whether he would improve the team.

The bigger issue here is you have to look at who you are trading with.

The Jets, as a franchise set up to grow organically, and one that has stayed away from the FA market will ask for the moon for Buff, who is one of the 3 big faces of the team. (Ladd, Buff and Kane)

If people thought getting Pronger was expensive, you will weep at the cost of bringing in Buff. Jets are a joke team to trade with.

You will not have many teams looking to trade at this time anyway. I'd really like to just let the current group play out, and see what they can do at the deadline. Lets see if this little hot streak can keep going, because thats all it really is right now.

They arent contenders, or anywhere close to it. The team needs more than 1 player, to make them a top tier club.
- flyer_nutter

If it costs too much, you do the revolutionary thing...and walk away from the trade!

It's not as if there's no other options out there. You can try to trade for other players.

My issue isn't that they have to acquire Byfuglien at all costs, it's that some folks wouldn't even consider him because he did a little jig after scoring a big goal, or because he's fat or because he's inconsistent.

It's the temperature he's keeping his apartment.
- mayorofangrytown

If it costs too much, you do the revolutionary thing...and walk away from the trade!

It's not as if there's no other options out there. You can try to trade for other players.

My issue isn't that they have to acquire Byfuglien at all costs, it's that some folks wouldn't even consider him because he did a little jig after scoring a big goal, or because he's fat or because he's inconsistent.
- Jsaquella

I don't like him because he inconsistently does a jig while he's fat.

He's looked like the same ole' Buff to me this year
- PhillySportsGuy

Well, you confessed that you "just don't like him"...I wouldn't expect you to readily notice/acknowledge positive/favorable things...it's just human nature...but there were definitely articles about it (his coming into camp trimmer and with a better attitude) coming out of WPG in Sep/Oct.

Yep. McGinn could replace Simmer and Lauridsen or someone like him could replaces Schenn.
- Flyskippy

Well, that or in free agency or via other trades.
Simmonds is a good player, no doubt. Luke Schenn could well turn out to be a really solid second pair guy.

But getting an elite offesnive defenseman trumps a 25 goal 2nd line winger and a good stay at home second pair defnseman...especially when most of your current defense is good, stay at home second pair or at least defensive defensemen.

I don't like him because he inconsistently does a jig while he's fat.
- jmatchett383

So certain are you? With the way teams have made turn arounds?!?
- Flyskippy

I just don't think the reward outweighs the risk. Can they be a contender? Yes. But I don't want to trade several years of Schenn and Simmonds at good rates for a couple years of Byfuglien when we don't even know if the team will be a contender.

This is assuming the Jets won't be asking for the world, which they probably will be.

Well, you confessed that you "just don't like him"...I wouldn't expect you to readily notice/acknowledge positive/favorable things...it's just human nature...but there were definitely articles about it (his coming into camp trimmer and with a better attitude) coming out of WPG in Sep/Oct.
- exlund

The same "good things" were also said about Hartnell for this season. Say what you will, but I still think he has been a sack of poop for this season

- Flyskippy

Thank you. I was feeling insignificant to the internet today.

Which is kind of where I wouldnt be completely against in bringing him in, I just dont see a fair deal with the Jets happening.

We tend to laugh at guys like Letang, or Buff but they would instantly become the #1 d-men on this team if they were brought in. I'd really love to see Brodin, but I think he has hit OEL status in Minny.
- flyer_nutter

Yeah, Brodin's another one on the list of elite, young defensemen. Forgot him

Re: Buff

Who would ne easier to acquire: Big Buff or (the now inured) Jacob Trouba?

Well, that or in free agency or via other trades.
Simmonds is a good player, no doubt. Luke Schenn could well turn out to be a really solid second pair guy.

But getting an elite offesnive defenseman trumps a 25 goal 2nd line winger and a good stay at home second pair defnseman...especially when most of your current defense is good, stay at home second pair or at least defensive defensemen.
- Jsaquella

Yeah, I meant short term. Sheesh. Didn't think I meant 10 years. After short term, you address it as stated in your 1st sentence above.

Well, you confessed that you "just don't like him"...I wouldn't expect you to readily notice/acknowledge positive/favorable things...it's just human nature...but there were definitely articles about it (his coming into camp trimmer and with a better attitude) coming out of WPG in Sep/Oct.
- exlund

They have those articles about everyone. Remember Hartnell coming to camp this year in great shape. He's still the same ole' Hartnell.

To be fair, Buff couldn't have come to camp in worse shape than last year. I'm not sure that it would be possible.

If it costs too much, you do the revolutionary thing...and walk away from the trade!

It's not as if there's no other options out there. You can try to trade for other players.

My issue isn't that they have to acquire Byfuglien at all costs, it's that some folks wouldn't even consider him because he did a little jig after scoring a big goal, or because he's fat or because he's inconsistent.
- Jsaquella

Which is what I would do to be honest (walk away).

At the same time, and this is just me, but I dont see too many good d-men being available to begin with. Which is why, I think a few of us are saying this thing will take a few more seasons.

Realistically I think they will overpay for Phaneuf in FA, and thats the "upgrade" that we see.

Re: Buff

Who would ne easier to acquire: Big Buff or (the now inured) Jacob Trouba?
- jmatchett383

Neither.

Honestly not trying to be a doom, and gloom guy but the Jets will be horrific to trade with. You will have to overpay to get anything of decent value from that club.

I just don't think the reward outweighs the risk. Can they be a contender? Yes. But I don't want to trade several years of Schenn and Simmonds at good rates for a couple years of Byfuglien when we don't even know if the team will be a contender.

This is assuming the Jets won't be asking for the world, which they probably will be.
- PhillySportsGuy

I'll agree to disagree rather than tie up the board with a 5-page debate on 1) the deficiencies in the games of Schenn & Simmonds and 2) how they can easily be replaced.

Which is what I would do to be honest (walk away).

At the same time, and this is just me, but I dont see too many good d-men being available to begin with. Which is why, I think a few of us are saying this thing will take a few more seasons.

Realistically I think they will overpay for Phaneuf in FA, and thats the "upgrade" that we see.
- flyer_nutter

If they get Phaneuf for $7mm in UFA, I don't think it's an overpayment. Under the new CBA, cap hits between $6mm-$8mm will be the new norm, there's no way around it.

Which is what I would do to be honest (walk away).

At the same time, and this is just me, but I dont see too many good d-men being available to begin with. Which is why, I think a few of us are saying this thing will take a few more seasons.

Realistically I think they will overpay for Phaneuf in FA, and thats the "upgrade" that we see.
- flyer_nutter

They will definitely be trying to sign him. That's a given.

Thank you. I was feeling insignificant to the internet today.
- mayorofangrytown

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