yup... lead the league in fighting majors... probably correct.

but how many of those fights were against Tyler Ennis?


- BorjeFan4Ever

so now a Sabres fan is equating the superhuman, uber player Freakerenko with Orr or McLaren?

and you can rip on Clarkson all you want... there isn't a team in league except Buffalo and Philly who would take leino over Clarkson...

one of the broadcasters mentioned that the to date the Sabres have paid Leino 13 Million + for 10 goals... wow... I would guess that the pain and discomfort that causes will last a lot longer than any discomfort Leaf fans may temporarily have with Clarkson's not scoring...

what is wrong with the Sabres fans... I mean seriously - are you actually drinking the water from the Love Canal? or has all the firefighting chemicals from the blazes in Cheetowaga and Tonawanda leaked in to the drinking water? Or are the chemicals dumped into Lake Erie washing downstream into the ground water supply?

don't make the same mistake Leaf fans made for years when there was incompetent management and ownership in Toronto... stop pointing the finger at other teams and other team's players. take a look at your own.
- BorjeFan4Ever

another great example of why most people think laff's fans are arogant a$$es I don't get into slamming others cities (or mayors...).

and please , as I said before, I dont think you will find any Sabre fans saying Lieno is worth the money, he was a mistake and one of the many reasons that Regier was fired.
and I seem to remember the toronto getting panned pretty bad for the amount of money they spent on Clarkson, they were on a lot of 'losers' list in free agent signing ratings.

Doubt they move a d man. As mentioned earlier it will be for a 5th or 6th rounder or no name prospect and leafs eat about 2 mill per on the contract
- Bieksa#3

highly doubt the leafs are gonna eat 2 mil per year for 3 years when they can just buy him out for 4.6 million/ 4 years in the offseason...If they east a million, fine, if its 1/2 the salary just buy him out and pay 800k next year instead of 2 mil

another great example of why most people think laff's fans are arogant a$$es I don't get into slamming others cities (or mayors...).

and please , as I said before, I dont think you will find any Sabre fans saying Lieno is worth the money, he was a mistake and one of the many reasons that Regier was fired.
and I seem to remember the toronto getting panned pretty bad for the amount of money they spent on Clarkson, they were on a lot of 'losers' list in free agent signing ratings.
- dansmail26

Has a player ever taken more heat 10 games into his contract than Clarkson? I mean the guy has played 10 games, has gotten shuffled around the lines, has been put into a checking role most nights, and only recently is getting PP time. It's 10 games, the haters can't blast kessel or phaneuf or Riemer anymore because they are paying too well. They have to look at the 1 guy who isn't putting up...what about Raymond, don't hear much about him considering he is playing like a 3.5-4mil player for a million. Bernier and Reimer are both playing like 5 million dollar goalies and we have both for less than 5. That 4.25 JVR is making looks pretty good when you consider its the same David Booth makes and less than Leino

anyways Clarkson hasn't put up yet but he has only played 10 games..we are 1/4 of the way through the year and the leafs are tied for 2nd and 3pts out of 1st..It's pretty pointless for fans of a team to nitpick and point out the production of our players when they have 11 pts and only one guy on their roster with more than 3 goals

and I seem to remember the toronto getting panned pretty bad for the amount of money they spent on Clarkson, they were on a lot of 'losers' list in free agent signing ratings.
- dansmail26

This isnt true. It was the term that was questioned, not the money. Sadly the term is what you have to give when you want to land free agents today.

He's a good player, although I doubt we ever see 30 from him again. Especially not how he's being used with the Leafs. But I think he will be successful, going to be great come playoff time should the Leafs keep it up.

This isnt true. It was the term that was questioned, not the money. Sadly the term is what you have to give when you want to land free agents today.

He's a good player, although I doubt we ever see 30 from him again. Especially not how he's being used with the Leafs. But I think he will be successful, going to be great come playoff time should the Leafs keep it up.
- ejeezy

How about 1? The guy needs one to go in off his azz to get off the schneid.

This isnt true. It was the term that was questioned, not the money. Sadly the term is what you have to give when you want to land free agents today.

He's a good player, although I doubt we ever see 30 from him again. Especially not how he's being used with the Leafs. But I think he will be successful, going to be great come playoff time should the Leafs keep it up.
- ejeezy

from sports illustrated -
Losers

MUIR: Clarkson and Clowe break the bank as free agency opens

Toronto Maple Leafs: Look, everyone’s excited about adding David Clarkson, and there’s no doubt he’ll bring a physical presence to the top six that’s sorely needed. But he’s also a guy who has one season of 40-plus points on his resume, and the Leafs just handed him more than $5 million per over the next seven years. The money is unnerving, but the term is absolutely frightening. Let’s go ahead and set the over/under on when the Toronto media starts questioning the wisdom of this deal at February 2014. And $4.2 million for Tyler Bozak, a player with fourth-line talent who contributes only when he’s skating alongside Phil Kessel? Bad, bad decisions.

from cbssports.com
So let's start with the Toronto Maple Leafs, a team that made some of the biggest moves over the past couple of days and this offseason.

And also potentially some of the worst.

Making the playoffs in 2012-13 was a huge deal for Toronto, but if this offseason has been any indicator it may have been the worst thing that could have possibly happened to that franchise for the long-term because it has given the feeling they're closer to being a contender than they really are. They spent Friday backing a truck full of money up to Clarkson's front door and giving Tyler Bozak nearly $5 million a year to continue riding on the coattails of Phil Kessel (seriously, just look at what Bozak has done in his career when Kessel isn't on the ice with him. It's fourth-line level production).

While all of that was going on, they allowed Mikhail Grabovski and Clarke MacArthur to leave whether through free agency (MacArthur) or via buyout (Grabovski) while finding enough time to sign Colton Orr (last month) and Frazer McLaren (Friday) to multiyear contracts to continue taking up space on the fourth line.

I don't like it. Not one bit.

I
More Maple Leafs
David Clarkson signs for seven years

Are they really any better today by keeping Bozak while bringing Dave Bolland (draft-day draft with Chicago) and Clarkson? I'm not at all convinced that they are. And it's going to cost them a lot of money to perhaps make themselves a lesser team.

Clarkson's cap hit isn't awful, and not what it was speculated to be earlier in the week, but it's still a huge contract (seven years -- this is the biggest problem with it) for a 30-year-old forward who has only once topped 40 points in a season. He has had really good possession numbers the past two years, and Toronto needs guys like that, but I'm not sure how much longer he's going to be able to do that. And if Toronto wasn't happy with Grabovski making $5 million a year to produce the way he did, how long is it going to take for the city to turn on Clarkson when he's making more than $5 million and scoring 15 goals for the next seven years?

sporting news
NHL free agency: Maple Leafs are biggest losers—by a lot
A staggering seven-year, $36.75 million contract for David Clarkson, and $21 million over five years for Tyler Bozak. Factor in the restricted free agents that the Maple Leafs still have to re-sign, and they are going to be right at the salary cap with a roster that still lacks a bonafide No. 1 center, features a staggering lack of defensive depth, and which figures to employ two facepunchers at a time in Frazer McLaren, who re-signed Friday, and Colton Orr.

and there's more...

from sports illustrated -
Losers

MUIR: Clarkson and Clowe break the bank as free agency opens

Toronto Maple Leafs: Look, everyone’s excited about adding David Clarkson, and there’s no doubt he’ll bring a physical presence to the top six that’s sorely needed. But he’s also a guy who has one season of 40-plus points on his resume, and the Leafs just handed him more than $5 million per over the next seven years. The money is unnerving, but the term is absolutely frightening. Let’s go ahead and set the over/under on when the Toronto media starts questioning the wisdom of this deal at February 2014. And $4.2 million for Tyler Bozak, a player with fourth-line talent who contributes only when he’s skating alongside Phil Kessel? Bad, bad decisions.

from cbssports.com
So let's start with the Toronto Maple Leafs, a team that made some of the biggest moves over the past couple of days and this offseason.

And also potentially some of the worst.

Making the playoffs in 2012-13 was a huge deal for Toronto, but if this offseason has been any indicator it may have been the worst thing that could have possibly happened to that franchise for the long-term because it has given the feeling they're closer to being a contender than they really are. They spent Friday backing a truck full of money up to Clarkson's front door and giving Tyler Bozak nearly $5 million a year to continue riding on the coattails of Phil Kessel (seriously, just look at what Bozak has done in his career when Kessel isn't on the ice with him. It's fourth-line level production).

While all of that was going on, they allowed Mikhail Grabovski and Clarke MacArthur to leave whether through free agency (MacArthur) or via buyout (Grabovski) while finding enough time to sign Colton Orr (last month) and Frazer McLaren (Friday) to multiyear contracts to continue taking up space on the fourth line.

I don't like it. Not one bit.

I
More Maple Leafs
David Clarkson signs for seven years

Are they really any better today by keeping Bozak while bringing Dave Bolland (draft-day draft with Chicago) and Clarkson? I'm not at all convinced that they are. And it's going to cost them a lot of money to perhaps make themselves a lesser team.

Clarkson's cap hit isn't awful, and not what it was speculated to be earlier in the week, but it's still a huge contract (seven years -- this is the biggest problem with it) for a 30-year-old forward who has only once topped 40 points in a season. He has had really good possession numbers the past two years, and Toronto needs guys like that, but I'm not sure how much longer he's going to be able to do that. And if Toronto wasn't happy with Grabovski making $5 million a year to produce the way he did, how long is it going to take for the city to turn on Clarkson when he's making more than $5 million and scoring 15 goals for the next seven years?

sporting news
NHL free agency: Maple Leafs are biggest losers—by a lot
A staggering seven-year, $36.75 million contract for David Clarkson, and $21 million over five years for Tyler Bozak. Factor in the restricted free agents that the Maple Leafs still have to re-sign, and they are going to be right at the salary cap with a roster that still lacks a bonafide No. 1 center, features a staggering lack of defensive depth, and which figures to employ two facepunchers at a time in Frazer McLaren, who re-signed Friday, and Colton Orr.

and there's more...
- dansmail26

You are quoting the media and saying the fans feel that way?

another great example of why most people think laff's fans are arogant a$$es I don't get into slamming others cities (or mayors...).

and please , as I said before, I dont think you will find any Sabre fans saying Lieno is worth the money, he was a mistake and one of the many reasons that Regier was fired.
and I seem to remember the toronto getting panned pretty bad for the amount of money they spent on Clarkson, they were on a lot of 'losers' list in free agent signing ratings.
- dansmail26

I was slamming the fans - such as yourself for what to any rational person would be crazy statements. Perhaps you can blame the water supply. Kind of like blaming Kessel for "instigating" the fight with Scott.

By all means rip the people of Toronto for electing the overweight slob... no issue from my side. But that does not change the fact that the Sabres management has been horrid the past few years and that ownership continued to give management confidence long after signing Leino.... and doesn't change the fact that the Sabre's fans have defended Scott and Kaleta's stupid actions repeatedly.

In your opinion the Clarkson signing was poor/overpaid or too long. Whatever... what does that have to do with Leino being signed by Buffalo. Buy the guy out... have the owner put his money where his mouth is ... and if you think the new management team is going to be able to straighten this out in short order, give Miller a new contract and put your faith in the recent draft choices. Those indications (currently) of non-confidence are just that... lack of confidence.

None of this has anything to do with David Clarkson, Dion Phaneuf or any other Leaf.

from sports illustrated -
Losers

MUIR: Clarkson and Clowe break the bank as free agency opens

Toronto Maple Leafs: Look, everyone’s excited about adding David Clarkson, and there’s no doubt he’ll bring a physical presence to the top six that’s sorely needed. But he’s also a guy who has one season of 40-plus points on his resume, and the Leafs just handed him more than $5 million per over the next seven years. The money is unnerving, but the term is absolutely frightening. Let’s go ahead and set the over/under on when the Toronto media starts questioning the wisdom of this deal at February 2014. And $4.2 million for Tyler Bozak, a player with fourth-line talent who contributes only when he’s skating alongside Phil Kessel? Bad, bad decisions.

from cbssports.com
So let's start with the Toronto Maple Leafs, a team that made some of the biggest moves over the past couple of days and this offseason.

And also potentially some of the worst.

Making the playoffs in 2012-13 was a huge deal for Toronto, but if this offseason has been any indicator it may have been the worst thing that could have possibly happened to that franchise for the long-term because it has given the feeling they're closer to being a contender than they really are. They spent Friday backing a truck full of money up to Clarkson's front door and giving Tyler Bozak nearly $5 million a year to continue riding on the coattails of Phil Kessel (seriously, just look at what Bozak has done in his career when Kessel isn't on the ice with him. It's fourth-line level production).

While all of that was going on, they allowed Mikhail Grabovski and Clarke MacArthur to leave whether through free agency (MacArthur) or via buyout (Grabovski) while finding enough time to sign Colton Orr (last month) and Frazer McLaren (Friday) to multiyear contracts to continue taking up space on the fourth line.

I don't like it. Not one bit.

I
More Maple Leafs
David Clarkson signs for seven years

Are they really any better today by keeping Bozak while bringing Dave Bolland (draft-day draft with Chicago) and Clarkson? I'm not at all convinced that they are. And it's going to cost them a lot of money to perhaps make themselves a lesser team.

Clarkson's cap hit isn't awful, and not what it was speculated to be earlier in the week, but it's still a huge contract (seven years -- this is the biggest problem with it) for a 30-year-old forward who has only once topped 40 points in a season. He has had really good possession numbers the past two years, and Toronto needs guys like that, but I'm not sure how much longer he's going to be able to do that. And if Toronto wasn't happy with Grabovski making $5 million a year to produce the way he did, how long is it going to take for the city to turn on Clarkson when he's making more than $5 million and scoring 15 goals for the next seven years?

sporting news
NHL free agency: Maple Leafs are biggest losers—by a lot
A staggering seven-year, $36.75 million contract for David Clarkson, and $21 million over five years for Tyler Bozak. Factor in the restricted free agents that the Maple Leafs still have to re-sign, and they are going to be right at the salary cap with a roster that still lacks a bonafide No. 1 center, features a staggering lack of defensive depth, and which figures to employ two facepunchers at a time in Frazer McLaren, who re-signed Friday, and Colton Orr.

and there's more...
- dansmail26

What ever will they do without Macarthur and Grabovski... Corsi, Corsi!

I like Liles, played terrific for us. Don't understand why he is in the AHL and Ranger is playing for Leafs. Hope Liles gets a chance with someone as he is definitely NHL caliber. Gaurantee he will come back to haunt us if he plays for an eastern team.

Toronto is gonna have to eat close to half the contract to move him. Hes a decent 6/7 guy but contract sucks
- Bieksa#3

IMo, he can definitely be better than that. He hasn't even been given a chance. I would not be surprised one bit to see him do very well on another team.

There were nights 2 years ago Franson wasn't good enough to crack the top 6 on the Leafs. That was the opinion of the coach. That didn't make it correct.

I like Liles, played terrific for us. Don't understand why he is in the AHL and Ranger is playing for Leafs. Hope Liles gets a chance with someone as he is definitely NHL caliber. Gaurantee he will come back to haunt us if he plays for an eastern team.
- Bullot

cap.

trouble is, has Princess P ever had a fight? All I ever see is her cross checking and face washing people after whistles. heck of a captain!
and making fun of us for lieno (I liked the vi$$e comment!) doesn't matter, we all agree that is a stupid contract signed by a gm who got deservedly canned.
hopefully we won't be in the cellar as long as the laff's have been.
No, we haven't won a cup, but we have been much more competitive then the laffs for the last 10-15 years, even with our incompetent gm.
And you are wrong on scott's fighting ability, just ask the bruins thornton.
Must be fun rooting for a team who's captain is only known for cross checking and face washing and who best offensive player takes two handers at guys while two other teammates hold him for him.
Oh, I think before you make too much for of our Lieno signing take a look at your Clarkson signing...... signing a goon for big bucks and then expecting him to score A goal????
- dansmail26

So.....let me get this straight......the Sabres have won how many cups? Zero? Right

I was slamming the fans - such as yourself for what to any rational person would be crazy statements. Perhaps you can blame the water supply. Kind of like blaming Kessel for "instigating" the fight with Scott.

By all means rip the people of Toronto for electing the overweight slob... no issue from my side. But that does not change the fact that the Sabres management has been horrid the past few years and that ownership continued to give management confidence long after signing Leino.... and doesn't change the fact that the Sabre's fans have defended Scott and Kaleta's stupid actions repeatedly.

In your opinion the Clarkson signing was poor/overpaid or too long. Whatever... what does that have to do with Leino being signed by Buffalo. Buy the guy out... have the owner put his money where his mouth is ... and if you think the new management team is going to be able to straighten this out in short order, give Miller a new contract and put your faith in the recent draft choices. Those indications (currently) of non-confidence are just that... lack of confidence.

None of this has anything to do with David Clarkson, Dion Phaneuf or any other Leaf.
- BorjeFan4Ever

I was only saying that imho the lieno and clarkson signing are going to end up pretty similar. Regier wouldn't admit his mistake and buy him out (or maybe he would have but since he was injured this summer he couldn't have been bought out), I'll bet new management does. Teh leafs way overpaid for clarkson, especially over 7 years.
And please don't paint us as in love with regiers draft choices, many of us aren't. Grigo won't go fight for pucks, real doubts about him. The two d men (Risto and Zadarov) are both going to be good, but need some time. All in all though, Regier didn't seem to like to draft north americans.
Hoping for better times over the next 2-3 years with lafontaine and dudley(??) running the show.

The worst signing this offseason was the 7 years for Horton by Columbus. He's already a physical mess and hasn't played yet. And they aren't a team that can pay to the cap max when it starts getting higher. The Leafs always will.

But no one hates Columbus, so no one mentions that signing.

And how the freak did Clowe get that much money after scoring 3 goals last season. Yes, 3 goals.

So.....let me get this straight......the Sabres have won how many cups? Zero? Right
- AxlRose91

let's not talk ancient history, if you compare the last 40 years I think the two teams are pretty equal in how far they got at the end of the season, except the sabres have won more division titles and maybe even been in the playoffs more, despite their suckiness the last few years.

Has a Liles for Hunwick trade happen yet? what are we waiting for

from sports illustrated -
Losers

MUIR: Clarkson and Clowe break the bank as free agency opens

Toronto Maple Leafs: Look, everyone’s excited about adding David Clarkson, and there’s no doubt he’ll bring a physical presence to the top six that’s sorely needed. But he’s also a guy who has one season of 40-plus points on his resume, and the Leafs just handed him more than $5 million per over the next seven years. The money is unnerving, but the term is absolutely frightening. Let’s go ahead and set the over/under on when the Toronto media starts questioning the wisdom of this deal at February 2014. And $4.2 million for Tyler Bozak, a player with fourth-line talent who contributes only when he’s skating alongside Phil Kessel? Bad, bad decisions.

from cbssports.com
So let's start with the Toronto Maple Leafs, a team that made some of the biggest moves over the past couple of days and this offseason.

And also potentially some of the worst.

Making the playoffs in 2012-13 was a huge deal for Toronto, but if this offseason has been any indicator it may have been the worst thing that could have possibly happened to that franchise for the long-term because it has given the feeling they're closer to being a contender than they really are. They spent Friday backing a truck full of money up to Clarkson's front door and giving Tyler Bozak nearly $5 million a year to continue riding on the coattails of Phil Kessel (seriously, just look at what Bozak has done in his career when Kessel isn't on the ice with him. It's fourth-line level production).

While all of that was going on, they allowed Mikhail Grabovski and Clarke MacArthur to leave whether through free agency (MacArthur) or via buyout (Grabovski) while finding enough time to sign Colton Orr (last month) and Frazer McLaren (Friday) to multiyear contracts to continue taking up space on the fourth line.

I don't like it. Not one bit.

I
More Maple Leafs
David Clarkson signs for seven years

Are they really any better today by keeping Bozak while bringing Dave Bolland (draft-day draft with Chicago) and Clarkson? I'm not at all convinced that they are. And it's going to cost them a lot of money to perhaps make themselves a lesser team.

Clarkson's cap hit isn't awful, and not what it was speculated to be earlier in the week, but it's still a huge contract (seven years -- this is the biggest problem with it) for a 30-year-old forward who has only once topped 40 points in a season. He has had really good possession numbers the past two years, and Toronto needs guys like that, but I'm not sure how much longer he's going to be able to do that. And if Toronto wasn't happy with Grabovski making $5 million a year to produce the way he did, how long is it going to take for the city to turn on Clarkson when he's making more than $5 million and scoring 15 goals for the next seven years?

sporting news
NHL free agency: Maple Leafs are biggest losers—by a lot
A staggering seven-year, $36.75 million contract for David Clarkson, and $21 million over five years for Tyler Bozak. Factor in the restricted free agents that the Maple Leafs still have to re-sign, and they are going to be right at the salary cap with a roster that still lacks a bonafide No. 1 center, features a staggering lack of defensive depth, and which figures to employ two facepunchers at a time in Frazer McLaren, who re-signed Friday, and Colton Orr.

and there's more...
- dansmail26

Sports illustrated writes about hockey?

I am curious what you typed into Google to prove your point. lol

Go Sabres.

search was for "nhl free agent signings losers"

Sports illustrated writes about hockey?

I am curious what you typed into Google to prove your point. lol

Go Sabres.
- ejeezy

SI have some of the most jaded and cynical writers that cover hockey, Dater who covers the Avs writes for them and he hates everything and anything, including the Avalanche.

But is there any Hab's rumors?

I was only saying that imho the lieno and clarkson signing are going to end up pretty similar. Regier wouldn't admit his mistake and buy him out (or maybe he would have but since he was injured this summer he couldn't have been bought out), I'll bet new management does. Teh leafs way overpaid for clarkson, especially over 7 years.
And please don't paint us as in love with regiers draft choices, many of us aren't. Grigo won't go fight for pucks, real doubts about him. The two d men (Risto and Zadarov) are both going to be good, but need some time. All in all though, Regier didn't seem to like to draft north americans.
Hoping for better times over the next 2-3 years with lafontaine and dudley(??) running the show.
- dansmail26

I disagree with your opinion, See Leino was signed by the sabres because he had a break out year in Philly and the Sabres thought he could add scoring depth. The Leafs signed Clarkson for his grit and playoff experience and his scoring 2nd. Honestly Clarkson has had 1 or 2 seasons at 30 goals i believe. Hes being used as a role/checker at the moment if we ever get our whole line up in he will probably be on the 3rd line with McClement and Kulemin there main job will be cycling the puck in the offensive zone and playing against the top lines of the other team like they were doing on saturday against the Sabres.

The length of the contract might be too long and the leafs probably overpaid for him but his work ethic, experience and grit looks alot better at 5.25 million than what Grabvoski's did.

The worst signing this offseason was the 7 years for Horton by Columbus. He's already a physical mess and hasn't played yet. And they aren't a team that can pay to the cap max when it starts getting higher. The Leafs always will.

But no one hates Columbus, so no one mentions that signing.

And how the freak did Clowe get that much money after scoring 3 goals last season. Yes, 3 goals.
- RogerRoeper

On July 1st the TSN panel basically said that teams were going to overpay for the Free agents out there because the pickings were slim.

Overpay to fill a need, character and intangibles, toughness on the wing (higher up the lineup), if Clarkson isnt scoring he can do other things to help the team...if the cap is going up like its projected the cap hit wont be so bad..not like hes Leino or Ruttu, Malone. At this point his signing looks like a steal compared to Weiss..
lots of guys are overpaid, for different reasons
Heatly
Clowe

Jones (4 mill?)
Booth
bickell (3 plus 1 bonus)
Stastney 6.6
Horcoff
Hemsky
Richards
I could go on about over paid players
Islanders still paying Yashin 2.2