No thanks.

{STUPID IMMATURE DANCE}

- wolfhounds

- Giroux_Is_God

It's part of the package with Byf, and I'm not a fan.

It's part of the package with Byf, and I'm not a fan.
- wolfhounds

Me neither. You're a professional. Act like one.

No thanks.


- wolfhounds

He looks like he's auditioning to replace Shawn Hill.

I have very little interest in Myers. His game is an absolute mess and he's got a massive contract. Sure he could rebound, but do you want to actually take a $5.5mm risk for the next 5 years that he will? Not me.

I'd be good with Phaneuf, or even a trade that brings in a guy like Bouwmeester or Byfuglien.
- Jsaquella

I would suggest that recent news would suggest the entire Sabres organization is a mess. Myers stats, when the club is doing well, so is he. In my opinion I think it's a matter of confidence. The reason I suggest taking the risk on Myers is because he is young and there is plenty of possibility with this kid. I suppose you could compare a situation like Tyler Seguin. Maybe Boston wasn't actively shopping him but they certainly were not high on him anymore and the fresh start paid off. Situation and opportunities such as this one come to light all the time. This isn't to say Myers is the guy for us, although I still feel he has a high ceiling and we've seen those flashes of greatness before.

Now with Kimmo Timonen's 6 mill cap hit and Meszaros' 4 mill coming off the books next season, that's a clear 10 million in play but than you have Read and Giroux's raises being added. I do wonder if the Flyers might pull a Jeff Carter and a James van Riemsdyk on Read. Reason I ask is, could Downie be re-signed and possible have the bigger, younger and hopefully defensively responsible Laughton play in the top nine in Matt Read's place? I think Read has real value to bring in that puck moving defenseman we desire in a package deal.

It's part of the package with Byf, and I'm not a fan.
- wolfhounds

So is a higher PPG average over the past 3 years than Jeff Carter & James van Riemsdyk.

I don't give a rat's ass if he dances after a big goal that ties a game late in the third.

Andre "Moose" Dupont used to dance after every goal. Brian Propp did that stupid Guffaw.

I would suggest that recent news would suggest the entire Sabres organization is a mess. Myers stats, when the club is doing well, so is he. In my opinion I think it's a matter of confidence. The reason I suggest taking the risk on Myers is because he is young and there is plenty of possibility with this kid. I suppose you could compare a situation like Tyler Seguin. Maybe Boston wasn't actively shopping him but they certainly were not high on him anymore and the fresh start paid off. Situation and opportunities such as this one come to light all the time. This isn't to say Myers is the guy for us, although I still feel he has a high ceiling and we've seen those flashes of greatness before.

Now with Kimmo Timonen's 6 mill cap hit and Meszaros' 4 mill coming off the books next season, that's a clear 10 million in play but than you have Read and Giroux's raises being added. I do wonder if the Flyers might pull a Jeff Carter and a James van Riemsdyk on Read. Reason I ask is, could Downie be re-signed and possible have the bigger, younger and hopefully defensively responsible Laughton play in the top nine in Matt Read's place? I think Read has real value to bring in that puck moving defenseman we desire in a package deal.
- Schenn2shine

Myers is paid to be a top pair defenseman. He's playing similar to Luke Schenn, at $2mm more a year. I'd pass. He's been regressing for the past couple years. That contract is horrifying.

The Bruins may have soured on Seguin, but they traded him for an all star caliber winger in Loui Eriksson. There's plenty of guys who are far better options than Tyler Myers.

Christian Erhoff, Dmitri Kulikov, Jake Gardiner, Jeff Petry, Michael Del Zotto.

The Flyers feel that Laughton will be better at center than wing, so don't expect Laughton to play wing-and don;t expect him to be better than Read defensively. Read is a very solid two way player and honestly, even before Talbot was traded, their best PK winger.

That's not to say that Read won't be traded. But if they're looking to land a top defenseman in a trade, they'd probably have to move a guy like Simmonds

The cap is also likely to rise for next year, which makes the cap less of an issue, and they always have Pronger's LTIR to help out.

Myers is paid to be a top pair defenseman. He's playing similar to Luke Schenn, at $2mm more a year. I'd pass. He's been regressing for the past couple years. That contract is horrifying.

The Bruins may have soured on Seguin, but they traded him for an all star caliber winger in Loui Eriksson. There's plenty of guys who are far better options than Tyler Myers.

Christian Erhoff, Dmitri Kulikov, Jake Gardiner, Jeff Petry, Michael Del Zotto.

The Flyers feel that Laughton will be better at center than wing, so don't expect Laughton to play wing-and don;t expect him to be better than Read defensively. Read is a very solid two way player and honestly, even before Talbot was traded, their best PK winger.

That's not to say that Read won't be traded. But if they're looking to land a top defenseman in a trade, they'd probably have to move a guy like Simmonds

The cap is also likely to rise for next year, which makes the cap less of an issue, and they always have Pronger's LTIR to help out.
- Jsaquella

Money wise with Myers, I agree. Would I give up on him becoming a top defenseman in this league, no way. Steve Mason is a great example of a player who lost his game and simply found it again with a fresh start.

I do wonder how the Flyers are suppose to fit Laughton into the line up in a much larger role than fourth line center. Giroux is our number one center, Lecavalier is secondary scoring in the middle and seems kind of useless to me if he isn't doing exactly what he's already doing now. Couturier is doing an outstanding job as our shutdown center. Brayden Schenn has already been asked to adjust to the wing and he's also a natural center. The next couple years are gonna be interesting as the team grows together.

I do wonder how the Flyers are suppose to fit Laughton into the line up in a much larger role than fourth line center. Giroux is our number one center, Lecavalier is secondary scoring in the middle and seems kind of useless to me if he isn't doing exactly what he's already doing now. Couturier is doing an outstanding job as our shutdown center. Brayden Schenn has already been asked to adjust to the wing and he's also a natural center. The next couple years are gonna be interesting as the team grows together.
- Schenn2shine

Laughton can come into the NHL as a 4th line center, and play there for a year or so, or it could clear a path to trade Schenn or Couturier. It could also be that Laughton turns into outstanding trade bait himself.

So is a higher PPG average over the past 3 years than Jeff Carter & James van Riemsdyk.

I don't give a rat's ass if he dances after a big goal that ties a game late in the third.

Andre "Moose" Dupont used to dance after every goal.
- Jsaquella

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume Byf's time on the Stanley Cup winning Hawks have tilted those 3 year numbers more than a little bit.

It's not just Byf's dancing that's of concern. Regardless, I prefer gritty blue collar to dancing showboat no matter the player.

Edit: I'm wrong, his time in Atlanta skewed the numbers.

Laughton can come into the NHL as a 4th line center, and play there for a year or so, or it could clear a path to trade Schenn or Couturier. It could also be that Laughton turns into outstanding trade bait himself.
- Jsaquella

Laughton might have to be. Defensively, do you see him surpassing Couturier? Offensively do you see him surpassing Schenn? I actually feel Brayden Schenn isn't getting enough credit. It sometimes seems like he's going to the net as much, if not more than a Simmonds or a Hartnell.

So is a higher PPG average over the past 3 years than Jeff Carter & James van Riemsdyk.

I don't give a rat's ass if he dances after a big goal that ties a game late in the third.

Andre "Moose" Dupont used to dance after every goal. Brian Propp did that stupid Guffaw.
- Jsaquella

Big Buff looked good Friday. It's easy to praise him now because we probably witnessed his best game of the season when he scored goals two and three for the season against us. I also don't respect the dancing but that doesn't concern me as much as consistency. He's notorious for lack of work ethic and being out of shape.

Laughton might have to be. Defensively, do you see him surpassing Couturier? Offensively do you see him surpassing Schenn? I actually feel Brayden Schenn isn't getting enough credit. It sometimes seems like he's going to the net as much, if not more than a Simmonds or a Hartnell.
- Schenn2shine

Laughton has 4 shorthanded goals. That speaks to both defensive and offensive proficiency. He could, given the chance, be better than both Couts and B Schenn. I certainly hope we don't trade him before giving him a shot in the bigs.

It's a nice change of pace to have some solid goaltending in Philly. Bryz would give up too many soft goals and you could see it take the air out of the players on the ice. Mason and Emery are not perfect, but it's one less thing for the team to worry about on the ice.
Right now the Flyers have been in a lot of close scoring games. Hopefully the Flyers start scoring in front of Mason and Emery??

Big Buff looked good Friday. It's easy to praise him now because we probably witnessed his best game of the season when he scored goals two and three for the season against us. I also don't respect the dancing but that doesn't concern me as much as consistency. He's notorious for lack of work ethic and being out of shape.
- Schenn2shine

I'm talking about three seasons where he averaged a more PPG than two big time scoring forwards, not a single good game.

Byfuglien is an elite-or at least near elite-level offensive defenseman.

I know he's allegedly out of shape and lazy. I also know he's a guy that puts up a ton of points and plays a poopload of minutes.

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume Byf's time on the Stanley Cup winning Hawks have tilted those 3 year numbers more than a little bit.

It's not just Byf's dancing that's of concern. Regardless, I prefer gritty blue collar to dancing showboat no matter the player.

Edit: I'm wrong, his time in Atlanta skewed the numbers.
- wolfhounds

I prefer proven talent that has a track record of producing a ton of points over hard working stiffs that don't produce jack

Laughton has 4 shorthanded goals. That speaks to both defensive and offensive proficiency. He could, given the chance, be better than both Couts and B Schenn. I certainly hope we don't trade him before giving him a shot in the bigs.
- wolfhounds

Who are these shorthanded goals again? Both Brayden Schenn and Steve Downie were pretty good two way players in juniors themselves but the NHL is a different animal. I have no doubt Laughton will have a balanced game with the bigs but Laughton could easily struggle as much as Couturier is now. Talbot was also a really good junior player but again, NHL, different animal.

Laughton might have to be. Defensively, do you see him surpassing Couturier? Offensively do you see him surpassing Schenn? I actually feel Brayden Schenn isn't getting enough credit. It sometimes seems like he's going to the net as much, if not more than a Simmonds or a Hartnell.
- Schenn2shine

Schenn is having a very solid year. He leads the team in scoring, so he's doing something right.

I don;t know what Laughton's ceiling is. He's clearly dominating at a lower level. He's all but certain to be a good, solid NHL player. He might end up on a wing someday-who knows, perhaps Laviolette was the guy who was pushing for him to be a center and the Flyers are open for a move to wing if it leads to keeping a younger, cheaper player.

I prefer proven talent that has a track record of producing a ton of points over hard working stiffs that don't produce jack
- Jsaquella

I prefer talented hard workers. They do exist. Give me someone who busts his ass versus someone who is supremely talented plays when he's in the mood.

I don't just want the Flyers to win, I also want to like the players on my favorite team. Call me crazy. Mike Vick is the reason I don't watch the Eagles any more. I like dogs. Granted, Vick is the extreme, but liking the players you cheer for is the point. If it was all about winning, I'd be a Yankess fan.

Byf's also a career negative player.

Also, you picked two players the Flyers traded and - especially once Carter threw his little hissy fit at the shore - players most fans don't really miss all that much.

Byf also average more points than Mike Richards in the last 3 seasons, but I know who I would want on my team.

Who has more upside as a 3rd rounder? Ghost or Ghoul?

Schenn is having a very solid year. He leads the team in scoring, so he's doing something right.

I don;t know what Laughton's ceiling is. He's clearly dominating at a lower level. He's all but certain to be a good, solid NHL player. He might end up on a wing someday-who knows, perhaps Laviolette was the guy who was pushing for him to be a center and the Flyers are open for a move to wing if it leads to keeping a younger, cheaper player.
- Jsaquella

Yup, I like both Schenn's and hope they are on the Flyers for the foreseeable future. And I really hope Brayden is starting to feel it, starting to believe in himself and gain confidence. No doubt the kid's got a lot of potential. That shot in the upper corner past MAF was one of the better shots I've seen all season, and certainly the best/quickest shot I've seen from B Schenn.

My only point was Laughton is playing well, has that combination of tough two-way forward who can play in any situation the Flyers could really use. Further - and I could be wrong here - but I assume his trade value will go up if he plays in the NHL similar to the way he's playing in the OHL. Granted, that probably won't be his first season up, but I don't doubt he's going to come into training camp and pre-season next year with something to prove. I also love that he's physical.

Who has more upside as a 3rd rounder? Ghost or Ghoul?
- wilsonecho91

Apparently if you ask the opposing coaches, Ghost.

Did you see the link earlier in the thread?

I prefer proven talent that has a track record of producing a ton of points over hard working stiffs that don't produce jack
- Jsaquella

Anyway, I get your point - Byf is a solid player with a big offensive upside, there's no denying it. I'm just not much of a dancing guy.

I thought it interesting that two 8th round picks - Byf and Enstrom - are eating the most minutes for the Jets. Gotta love that.

I prefer talented hard workers. They do exist. Give me someone who busts his ass versus someone who is supremely talented plays when he's in the mood.

I don't just want the Flyers to win, I also want to like the players on my favorite team. Call me crazy. Mike Vick is the reason I don't watch the Eagles any more. I like dogs. Granted, Vick is the extreme, but liking the players you cheer for is the point. If it was all about winning, I'd be a Yankess fan.

Byf's also a career negative player.

Also, you picked two players the Flyers traded and - especially once Carter threw his little hissy fit at the shore - players most fans don't really miss all that much.

Byf also average more points than Mike Richards in the last 3 seasons, but I know who I would want on my team.
- wolfhounds

I'd prefer a talented hard working player, too. I'm not limiting my search to Byfuglien. But I wouldn't discount him, because he is talented and he's won a Stanley Cup.

The being a minus player over his career also doesn't mean a lot to me. For instance, I'd prefer Jay Bouwmeester to Byfuglin, and he's a career -49.

Want me to name others Byfuglien has a higher PPG average then? Corey Perry. Mike Richards. Vincent Lecavalier. Joe Pavelski. Ryan Getzlaff. Jaromir Jagr.

That is a lot of production from a defenseman.

Who has more upside as a 3rd rounder? Ghost or Ghoul?
- wilsonecho91

Ghoulborne will likely be a NHL 4th liner, at best...like Rinaldo.

Gostisbehere has other NCAA coaches raving about him.