This team lacks flow. Big time. There's little urgency in the puck possession and far to much hesitation. Most teams in the West will simply be too quick and persistent offensively to handle, doesn't matter how sturdy our D and tenders have been.

We need less hesitation and more fluidness. I think that will come with time and confidence. If we can ramp up the puck possession and skate offensively with a little more authority, the goals will come.

This team is much improved though; the remaining kinks will be worked out slowly.

Completely random: Voracek would lead the team in points if he could hit the net, needs to start shooting for rebounds more if he's not able to pick goalies apart on high speed rushes from various angles. He might be our fastest forward and definitely one of the most skilled, but a lot of momentum dies on his stick when he misses the net the way he does.

Also? I don't mind the innovation in the shootout line up, but there's at least 4 guys that should shoot before Kimmo no matter what. May seem like penny pinching when we got as many points on this trip as we did, but with how this team started the season we need every point we can get. A very odd selection IMO.

That Dustin Byfuglien guy ain't half bad.
- Tomahawk

He's great in the offensive zone but pinches all the time and isn't great in his own end. For what it'd take to get him and what we'd have to pay vs the cap. Not thanks.

Also. Could u imagine the drama here if and when he showed up to camp out of shape with a cheeseburger in each hand?

That Dustin Byfuglien guy ain't half bad.
- Tomahawk

He's not bad at all.

Being the worst team in the league in shootouts is frustrating. At least Mase gave them a chance to win against good shooters, but Read needed to score for us to win. Him and G are the only two good shootout guys on the team.

He's not bad at all.

Being the worst team in the league in shootouts is frustrating. At least Mase gave them a chance to win against good shooters, but Read needed to score for us to win. Him and G are the only two good shootout guys on the team.
- Feanor

You would think with all the goals he's scored in his career, VL should be ok at this.

He's great in the offensive zone but pinches all the time and isn't great in his own end. For what it'd take to get him and what we'd have to pay vs the cap. Not thanks.

Also. Could u imagine the drama here if and when he showed up to camp out of shape with a cheesesteak in each hand?
- Hextall271

FTFY

That Dustin Byfuglien guy ain't half bad.
- Tomahawk

The question is... Who would you trade for him?

He's great in the offensive zone but pinches all the time and isn't great in his own end. For what it'd take to get him and what we'd have to pay vs the cap. Not thanks.

Also. Could u imagine the drama here if and when he showed up to camp out of shape with a cheeseburger in each hand?
- Hextall271

Just meant that he's damned nigh impossible to stop when he's on his game, not that I necessarily want to trade for him. Aside from one turnover at the blueline, he was really effective defensively, too. A hard shove from him and he can take virtually any player out of the play completely... and he's got the skating to keep up with anyone.

If he played like he did last night for 60-70 games a season, he'd be the Eric Lindros of dmen.

You would think with all the goals he's scored in his career, VL should be ok at this.
- BiggE

I thought his move was good. Just didn't get it high enough for the finish. Read and giroux were also good picks. I would have gone with jake then b Schenn as my next shooters though. Maybe ever streit before timo.

I can see why some people are. I'm pretty stubborn when it comes to shootouts- I want them OUT

Gimme 4v4 OT and ties back and I won't complain. That's just me though. I'm as tall as Gary Bettman, but that doesn't mean I am Gary Bettman
- Giroux_Is_God

This is my idea. Bring back ties. Then you implement a 10 Min 4 on 4 OT. 2 points for a win 1 point for a loss and 0 for a tie. This way when you look at it teams have 10 mins to score, if they lose they will still get a point but if they tie no teams get any points. With that in mind it would be better to get at least one point then none so teams will take more risks which would result in goals, whether it be off a mistake or just risk paying off

Cmon, shootouts are just wonderful, in fact I'm hoping to see the following:

If a baseball game is tied after the 10th inning, lets end it with some homerun derby

If a basketball game is tied after one OT period, its time for a game of H-O-R-S-E

After 1 qtr of OT, the NFL needs to go to a field goal kicking contest.

If a boxing match ends in a draw, they can send both fighters to Philly, and have them run up the Art Museum steps, first to the top is the winner

If a golf tourney ends in a tie, they should have to play a round of miniature golf to decide the winner.

And finally, if a soccer match ends in a tie, 1st they need to wake the crowd up and then whichever teams fans finish with the most arrests after the inevitable riot, that team is the winner.


Shootouts suck
Bettman sucks

Any questions?
- BiggE

Yea, I've got one.

Since the SO is and has been part of the game since 2005 and is here to stay for the foreseeable future, why is everybody still whining about it?

Get over it already.

One solution...bring in players that have a bit of offensive creativity. Stop stocking the team with grinding, up and down the wing, skaters and draft a guy or two who actually has a pair of hands so you don't have to throw out a 38 year old d-man as your 5th shooter.

If you're so dead against the SO, just do what I do. After the 5 minute OT, change the channel. Or if you're at the game, leave.

I saw Mason steal the last game of the season last year in Ottawa, and saw him shut down Ottawa while the score was still close on Tuesday. How many games in a row has he allowed 2 goals or less? I think it's around 20, not including that extra goal for the shootouts. I'm all in with this kid, the change of scenery has done him wonders.

Coburn was a beast last night. Maybe he was showcasing himself for the eventual trade we make for Evander. Or he was in a drunken stupor and thought he was in Edmonton, showing how good he can be for when we steal Eberle.

This is my idea. Bring back ties. Then you implement a 10 Min 4 on 4 OT. 2 points for a win 1 point for a loss and 0 for a tie. This way when you look at it teams have 10 mins to score, if they lose they will still get a point but if they tie no teams get any points. With that in mind it would be better to get at least one point then none so teams will take more risks which would result in goals, whether it be off a mistake or just risk paying off
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

So there could be games where teams get 0 points? That doesn't make sense

Everyone remember this shootout?

(How do you most a video directly?)

The Flyers are much improved over the course of this short season, steadily getting better and climbing the rankings. And you can't really argue with 7 out of 8 points for their last 4 games. I hope they build on their recent success.

I expect a lot more from Giroux. Regardless of his 1 goal and however many assists, and even though he's definitely playing better, he needs to take his game to the next level. And he needs to start burying the chances he's getting. His shooting percentage is at 2.2%. Granted, that's not the whole picture by any stretch of the imagination, but it's still quite bad considering he's had some pretty good looks the last several games.

Mason has been consistently amazing this season.

Please don't trade for Byfuglien after his little "I'm wearing a dance" dress last night.

The streak is over, time to sit Rosehill for Raffl.

I saw Mason steal the last game of the season last year in Ottawa, and saw him shut down Ottawa while the score was still close on Tuesday. How many games in a row has he allowed 2 goals or less? I think it's around 20, not including that extra goal for the shootouts. I'm all in with this kid, the change of scenery has done him wonders.

Coburn was a beast last night. Maybe he was showcasing himself for the eventual trade we make for Evander. Or he was in a drunken stupor and thought he was in Edmonton, showing how good he can be for when we steal Eberle.
- Rocktane

Sarcasm? I don't get why people are trying to trade our best defenseman, a guy with 'beast' potential who also happens to be signed to a very reasonable $4.5 per for two seasons beyond this one.

He played great! Let's trade him.

No Timonen (very likely) or Mesz next season, and if we lose Coburn as well there will be big problems...

Everyone remember this shootout?

(How do you most a video directly?)
- FrmRusiaWifGlov

click share, then click embed, then copy & paste the link provided

resizing the numbers in the link down a little bit before you post it helps it not blow out the forum page here

Yea, I've got one.

Since the SO is and has been part of the game since 2005 and is here to stay for the foreseeable future, why is everybody still whining about it?

Get over it already.

One solution...bring in players that have a bit of offensive creativity. Stop stocking the team with grinding, up and down the wing, skaters and draft a guy or two who actually has a pair of hands so you don't have to throw out a 38 year old d-man as your 5th shooter.

If you're so dead against the SO, just do what I do. After the 5 minute OT, change the channel. Or if you're at the game, leave.
- 77rams

Seriously, what kind of shot was that by Kimmo? He just kind of pushed the puck at the net. It was sad.

one thing i really hate is that OT/shootout games are worth 3 points

all games should be worth the same amount of points

Seriously, what kind of shot was that by Kimmo? He just kind of pushed the puck at the net. It was sad.
- wolfhounds

he has scored in the shootout before and musty have been doing well at it in practice recently or something

he has scored in the shootout before and musty have been doing well at it in practice recently or something
- -davies-

I don't doubt he's got the ability - clearly he can crank it on the PP - it just looked like a pretty weak shot last night, like it slid off his stick or he was indecisive or something.

Yea, I've got one.

Since the SO is and has been part of the game since 2005 and is here to stay for the foreseeable future, why is everybody still whining about it?

Get over it already.

One solution...bring in players that have a bit of offensive creativity. Stop stocking the team with grinding, up and down the wing, skaters and draft a guy or two who actually has a pair of hands so you don't have to throw out a 38 year old d-man as your 5th shooter.

If you're so dead against the SO, just do what I do. After the 5 minute OT, change the channel. Or if you're at the game, leave.
- 77rams

Nailed it. The reason why Flyers fans hate it so much is because the team absolutely sucks at it.

Granted it's not an ideal way to decide a game, but while it's in the rules might as well start winning some of them. 24-44 in shootouts is a colossal embarrassment.

Everyone remember this shootout?

(How do you most a video directly?)
- FrmRusiaWifGlov

my first thought as soon as giroux scored last night. the rangers move.

For those who hate it, chances are you're still watching it and considering it a victory if we're successful. I have yet to hear about or even see a legitimate boycott. For some the shootout is stupid but to me complaining about it is equally stupid because you can't change it.
- Schenn2shine

I'd sit through it if all the sheeple didn't automatically stand so I can't see around them. So not THAT exciting.

It IS part of the game now. And we seem to have a keeper who can be sure we aren't out of it after the second shot. Maybe Berube will turn his back on the Lava system of never practicing it. I can see an occasional practice fun of a shootout competition with some kind of reward for the guys who score. the opposite of a Kangaroo court.

Hey I'll take the point. 5 out of 6 points on 3 road games in 4 nights including a win against a hated division rival is pretty good. Not that there is any reason to let a game go that you could have won, or not try and learn from mistakes. But stepping back, I'm happy with the effort and results.

From the 'non-hockey' portion, I think it's good to note that while Mason gave up the first shootout goal he kept Philly in it for 5 rounds. Including ruining Ladd's perfect shootout record. Both Read and Schenn had the game on their sticks going into the 3rd and 4th shootout attempts. What I'm saying is Mason was also very good in the 'non-hockey' element of this game called the Shootout. Thus far he's made the Bobrovsky trade much less painful.

Seriously, what kind of shot was that by Kimmo? He just kind of pushed the puck at the net. It was sad.
- wolfhounds

It seemed that all our shooters were tolled, don't deke - shoot hard at the five hole. It may have worked if Pavelec didn't have the script.