Nah - I'm in Alberta working, why can't I be rich and fish for a living like Booner?
- LeftCoaster

You can. Follow these three simple steps....

Right on, I actually blame Henrik's back penalty for the loss. He should know better and it was a lazy penalty.
- flyerdude17

HE STtayed out way too long . Everyone knew a penalty from a lazy hook or a goal was coming. Not smart on his part at all.

HE STtayed out way too long . Everyone knew a penalty from a lazy hook or a goal was coming. Not smart on his part at all.
- VANTEL

I was a little bit surprised about his comments about the penalty after the game - Sedins are mortal after all?

Notwithstanding, after all the abuse and non-penalty calls against them I feel they deserve a mulligan (or a few hundred)

Edit: P.S. just to clarify, yes I'm still a HUGE Sedins fan, Vantel

I was a little bit surprised about his comments about the penalty after the game - Sedins are mortal after all?

Notwithstanding, after all the abuse and non-penalty calls against them I feel they deserve a mulligan (or a few hundred)

Edit: P.S. just to clarify, yes I'm still a HUGE Sedins fan, Vantel
- Zogg

That was just one of a few things that caused the game. The biggest issue is this teams lack of scoring again. They were speeding 100 MPH and going nowhere. They have to bury that puck . They had so many chances in the last few games and the last three games combined we have 3 goals.

The standings and results are reflecting the teams problems.

I was a little bit surprised about his comments about the penalty after the game - Sedins are mortal after all?

Notwithstanding, after all the abuse and non-penalty calls against them I feel they deserve a mulligan (or a few hundred)

Edit: P.S. yes, I'm still a HUGE Sedins fan, Vantel
- Zogg

18PIM in 21 games... None of which were legit hockey penalties. All lazy stickwork. No mulligans. Do better.

18PIM in 21 games... None of which were legit hockey penalties. All lazy stickwork. No mulligans. Do better.
- DrChristianTroy

I am glad you said that and not me. For some reason everyone here thinks I hate the Sedins, I have no clue why.

I am glad you said that and not me. For some reason everyone here thinks I hate the Sedins, I have no clue why.
- VANTEL

I am glad you said that and not me. For some reason everyone here thinks I hate the Sedins, I have no clue why.
- VANTEL

Your vanity license plate DIE 2233 might be a giveaway.

Sounds like Grenier's been played decent for the Comets.

18PIM in 21 games... None of which were legit hockey penalties. All lazy stickwork. No mulligans. Do better.
- DrChristianTroy

I haven't seen every penalty called on them this year, or what the particular circumstances were, so not sure if your comments are fully warranted, Herr Doctor. That said, I didn't realize they are both on pace for 80 PIM! - so perhaps there is at least some merit to their recent sin-box propensities.

Anyone else have further thoughts or perspective on this?

I haven't seen every penalty called on them this year, or what the particular circumstances were, so not sure if your comments are fully warranted, Herr Doctor. That said, I didn't realize they are both on pace for 80 PIM! - so perhaps there is at least some merit to their recent sin-box propensities.

Anyone else have further thoughts or perspective on this?
- Zogg

The extra ice time has a little bit to do with it. Here's their numbers for penalties taken per 60 minutes played at even strength:


2013/2014
Henrik: 1.2
Daniel: 1.0

2012/2013:
Henrik: 0.9
Daniel: 0.4

2011/2012:
Henrik: 1.1
Daniel: 0.8


A little higher then in recent years, but not a huge difference(Daniel's 0.4 in 2012/2013 was lower than his other years). Again, the extra 2-3 minutes they're playing every night is a big part of it, you're bound to get more penalties when playing more. I'm guessing Torts is also trying to get them to play just as hard at both ends of the ice and they're still adjusting their defensive game a bit, perhaps?

Was a reference to Chicago managing to acquire Versteeg at only half his salary...
- 1970vintage

Meh, Versteeg is a decent player but has really went down hill. Hawks were pretty high on both Olson and Hayes.

Meh, Versteeg is a decent player but has really went down hill. Hawks were pretty high on both Olson and Hayes.
- Bieksa#3

A lot of Hawks fans were saying that both haven't developed as well as they had hoped. I know that fans usually lower their opinions of ex-players, but it looks to me like they got a good 2nd/3rd line role player at half his salary(2.2 million) for two "meh" prospects.

A lot of Hawks fans were saying that both haven't developed as well as they had hoped. I know that fans usually lower their opinions of ex-players, but it looks to me like they got a good 2nd/3rd line role player at half his salary(2.2 million) for two "meh" prospects.
- Nucker101

Now a yr can change a lot. But I remember the hawks fans on this site almost to a man had Olson as an untouchable prospect as recently as last season.
I'm expecting a fire sale in Florida.
Also Hayes has now been traded twice for Kris Versteeg

Your vanity license plate DIE 2233 might be a giveaway.
- Scooby_Doo

The extra ice time has a little bit to do with it. Here's their numbers for penalties taken per 60 minutes played at even strength:


2013/2014
Henrik: 1.2
Daniel: 1.0

2012/2013:
Henrik: 0.9
Daniel: 0.4

2011/2012:
Henrik: 1.1
Daniel: 0.8


A little higher then in recent years, but not a huge difference(Daniel's 0.4 in 2012/2013 was lower than his other years). Again, the extra 2-3 minutes they're playing every night is a big part of it, you're bound to get more penalties when playing more. I'm guessing Torts is also trying to get them to play just as hard at both ends of the ice and they're still adjusting their defensive game a bit, perhaps?
- Nucker101

Interesting that Henrik's totals are fairly consistent for the last three years.

Good points with respect to the additional ice-time having an impact on their sin-bin totals (especially with respect to lazy types of penalties which Herr Doctor alluded to). Usually most 'lazy' types of penalties are the result of a player's shift being too long. To that end, I think the Sedins are still adjusting to the significant amount of additional ice time. Hopefully they will minimize these types of plays in the future, when they realize they need to be a bit more disciplined with respect to shift-length.

You can. Follow these three simple steps....
- boonerbuck

??? Don't leave me hangin bro

Your vanity license plate DIE 2233 might be a giveaway.
- Scooby_Doo

Jeff Paterson‏@patersonjeff9m
Ted Nolan gives Hodgson, Moulson & Ennis just 2 shifts in final 12 minutes clinging to 2-1 lead #NHL

Jeff Paterson‏@patersonjeff9m
Ted Nolan gives Hodgson, Moulson & Ennis just 2 shifts in final 12 minutes clinging to 2-1 lead #NHL
- VANTEL

#winning

#winning
- Nucker101

How are you allowed 18 skaters and 6 (frank)in goaltenders???

I was saying this more or less last night myself. His legs look sluggish. Even a useless Booth used to be able to skate...now he's less than useless. Negative zero.
- boonerbuck

There was one chance for a race for the puck and possible breakaway where he looked like he didn't have any gas left/end of a shift...

The second line needs to score more... they have the puck and chances, need more scoring, Torts is crazy.

One of the d can be traded and could bring up Corrado to replace...
I think Burrows could be traded and not missed if he isn't playing with the twins. And of course Booth.
If we are going to keep Lou, trade either Lack, Eriksson or Cannata.... I can't understand how some teams can have a bonafide starter and still have depth in the minors, (we aren't too bad, thinking more of Anaheim, Ottawa is doing okay) and then the teams struggling have nothing.

Broken record, sorry.

How are you allowed 18 skaters and 6 (frank)in goaltenders???
- LeftCoaster

Oilers, Flames and Islanders goalies don't count.

The extra ice time has a little bit to do with it. Here's their numbers for penalties taken per 60 minutes played at even strength:


2013/2014
Henrik: 1.2
Daniel: 1.0

2012/2013:
Henrik: 0.9
Daniel: 0.4

2011/2012:
Henrik: 1.1
Daniel: 0.8


A little higher then in recent years, but not a huge difference(Daniel's 0.4 in 2012/2013 was lower than his other years). Again, the extra 2-3 minutes they're playing every night is a big part of it, you're bound to get more penalties when playing more. I'm guessing Torts is also trying to get them to play just as hard at both ends of the ice and they're still adjusting their defensive game a bit, perhaps?
- Nucker101

Awwwwe, it's sweet that you're trying to make excuses for them/justify the PIMs by using comparative stats... & they might be relevant if my argument was that they're taking more penalties than usual - but that's not the case.

My point is simply that they take FAR too many lazy ticky-tack hooking/tripping/slashing penalties & don't seem to understand that those penalties are being called because they stop moving their feet & use lazy hooks & hacks on defense to "corral" the player they're stalking rather than keep their feet moving & use the body. There's no way to excuse/justify a lazy penalty. If they were on pace for 80 PIMs worth of roughing/charging/boarding penalties resulting from overzealous compete & hustle, I'd cut them much more slack.

Awwwwe, it's sweet that you're trying to make excuses for them/justify the PIMs by using comparative stats... & they might be relevant if my argument was that they're taking more penalties than usual - but that's not the case.

My point is simply that they take FAR too many lazy ticky-tack hooking/tripping/slashing penalties & don't seem to understand that those penalties are being called because they stop moving their feet & use lazy hooks & hacks on defense to "corral" the player they're stalking rather than keep their feet moving & use the body. There's no way to excuse/justify a lazy penalty. If they were on pace for 80 PIMs worth of roughing/charging/boarding penalties resulting from overzealous compete & hustle, I'd cut them much more slack.
- DrChristianTroy

Not really making excuses, but sure. They've always taken lots of hooking/tripping/holding penalties, that's not a news flash to anyone. I doubt they've gotten many elbowing/boarding penalties if that's what you're looking. I agree that their penalties should be a lot lower since they're those types of players, but what I was trying to say was that it just seem like they're taking more than usual, which is true, but not by much when you factor in increased ice time, and as Vantel pointed out the OT hook was at the end of a long shift for Henrik, pretty much the exact time a player who's been playing heavy minutes all season long will take a lazy/stupid penalty like that.

Again, I'm not making excuses, I agree with you that they should be lower in the PIMS department with their style of play(if you're gonna take a penalty then make sure it's on a play where your driving the net hard or finishing a check). They hook opposing players way too much. Henrik especially as the center needs to be more responsible.