The big problem is, he's so wildly inconsistent from year to year. Did it as a Leaf, doing it as a Flyer.
- Jsaquella

Exactly. Playing 24 minutes one night and 10 the next and earning every benching.

You can say the same about JVR.
- PhillySportsGuy

Well, JvR's strung a good year last year to another really good start this year.

I'm not judging Schenn off the trade, I just don't think he's going to be the kind of guy that the LEafs thought they were drafting or the kind of rock solid defenseman the Flyers were hoping he'd turn into.

I could seeing him being similar to Dan McGillis, and I disliked McGillis

I think you may be overvaluing JVR. He's not Corey Perry. I do agree about short sightedness. Just let Schenn work through this and hope he regains his 2012-13 form.
- PhillySportsGuy

Corey Perry went from being a 30 goal guy to an out of nowhere 50 goal guy. That's a huge leap. JvR isn't Corey Perry, JvR is like two or three years younger than Perry. I don't think I'm over valuing JvR at all. I think most Flyers fans completely under value JvR and expected him to rush to superstardom in the three seasons he spent here. I feel the season I expected him to break out, we traded him away. Baby steps. Right now Brayden Schenn, Sean Couturier and Matt Read are all in their third seasons with the Flyers. If all three do not blossom now, does it mean they never will?

Even if they pair him with the right player?
- ob18

Yeah. Even Pronger couldn't cover for his gaffes.

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Well, JvR's strung a good year last year to another really good start this year.

I'm not judging Schenn off the trade, I just don't think he's going to be the kind of guy that the LEafs thought they were drafting or the kind of rock solid defenseman the Flyers were hoping he'd turn into.

I could seeing him being similar to Dan McGillis, and I disliked McGillis
- Jsaquella

I think Schenn will eventually find a little stability. I believe he will always have peaks and valleys but his valleys won't be enormous cliffs.

I can see him being similar to Coburn in that regard. Coburn is still pretty inconsistent. You wonder why he can't play like the way he played last night every night.

Well, JvR's strung a good year last year to another really good start this year.

I'm not judging Schenn off the trade, I just don't think he's going to be the kind of guy that the LEafs thought they were drafting or the kind of rock solid defenseman the Flyers were hoping he'd turn into.

I could seeing him being similar to Dan McGillis, and I disliked McGillis
- Jsaquella

I liked Dan McGillis, I just don't understand the deal we made for him. I feel McGillis had a better offensive touch than Schenn.

Corey Perry went from being a 30 goal guy to an out of nowhere 50 goal guy. That's a huge leap. JvR isn't Corey Perry, JvR is like two or three years younger than Perry. I don't think I'm over valuing JvR at all. I think most Flyers fans completely under value JvR and expected him to rush to superstardom in the three seasons he spent here. I feel the season I expected him to break out, we traded him away. Baby steps. Right now Brayden Schenn, Sean Couturier and Matt Read are all in their third seasons with the Flyers. If all three do not blossom now, does it mean they never will?
- Schenn2shine

I'm not saying JVR is bad or won't 'blossom.' I just think saying he's a consistent 40 goal scorer is a bit much. That would make him one of the 20 best players in the league.

The short term memory of most fans already shows. I never liked the JvR for Schenn trade. I truly believe JvR at the minimum will become a 40 goal scorer, while Schenn will never be the second coming of Shea Weber or PK Subban. Regardless of how I felt when the trade happened, last season was a miserable season but Schenn was probably one of very few bright lights from last season.
- Schenn2shine

Jvr a 40 goal scorer " at the minimum", really?

That puts him at superstar status. I liked JVR a lot and still hate the trade but he's not a 40 goal guy at the minimum.

He was very solid last year. Just like he was every other season in Toronto.

That's the problem. One year he looks like he's got it figured out, the next, he's getting healthy scratched for Hal Gill
- Jsaquella

I suppose you could say the same thing for Voracek, Simmonds, Hartnell and Coburn. Even though Giroux was a point per game guy last season, his numbers were a huge disappointment to me. I expected more.

I think Schenn will eventually find a little stability. I believe he will always have peaks and valleys but his valleys won't be enormous cliffs.

I can see him being similar to Coburn in that regard. Coburn is still pretty inconsistent. You wonder why he can't play like the way he played last night every night.
- PhillySportsGuy

The difference between Coburn & Schenn is that Coburn's skating ability helps him recover when he makes a mental mistake.

Schenn's trouble is, he doesn't have the mobility that Coburn does when he makes a mistake. Schenn has to improve his ability to make good reads and react properly to really step forward.

Both are definitely helped when they play with a good partner.

Jvr a 40 goal scorer " at the minimum", really?

That puts him at superstar status. I liked JVR a lot and still hate the trade but he's not a 40 goal guy at the minimum.
- Briere

I concur!

I liked Dan McGillis, I just don't understand the deal we made for him. I feel McGillis had a better offensive touch than Schenn.
- Schenn2shine

McGillis did have better offensive ability than Schenn does. But I don't think McGillis had good hockey sense. Schenn doesn;t have great hockey sense, either, but McGillis would infuriate me.

The difference between Coburn & Schenn is that Coburn's skating ability helps him recover when he makes a mental mistake.

Schenn's trouble is, he doesn't have the mobility that Coburn does when he makes a mistake. Schenn has to improve his ability to make good reads and react properly to really step forward.

Both are definitely helped when they play with a good partner.
- Jsaquella

I'm not comparing their games, I'm comparing their inconsistency. If Coburn had Schenn's nastiness, he'd be a dominant shutdown guy.

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- mayorofangrytown

the pall of negativity exacts its toll even on the electronics of the house


so draining

Jvr a 40 goal scorer " at the minimum", really?

That puts him at superstar status. I liked JVR a lot and still hate the trade but he's not a 40 goal guy at the minimum.
- Briere

It doesn't matter if it's consistent or not. Jeff Carter has only had one 40 goal season in his career but only doing so once makes him a 40 goal scorer. JvR will reach it. All eyes are on a guy like Phil Kessel to finally hit 40, I think he will, although he hasn't yet.

I suppose you could say the same thing for Voracek, Simmonds, Hartnell and Coburn. Even though Giroux was a point per game guy last season, his numbers were a huge disappointment to me. I expected more.
- Schenn2shine

Well, Voracek and Simmonds gradually grew into better offensive players. It wasn't one year of good play, followed by a drop, followed by a rebound and another dip. Both guys pretty much steadily improved from year to year, or stayed the same.

Hartnell has ups and downs for sure, but his highs are higher than Schenn's have been. Outside of last year, I think Coburn's been pretty solid for the Flyers, for the most part. He'll have bad stretches, but usually for a few games at a time, not a whole season.

The team's offense has been a disappointment, thus far. But it stems from a lot of bad habits and a lack of confidence. They're getting it back, slowly but surely.

the pall of negativity exacts its toll even on the electronics of the house


so draining
- -davies-

He had his car plugged into the USB port...that sucker is a battery vampire

It will catch up to them. It's only a matter of time.
- PhillySportsGuy

Yep, their riding the "its us against the world wave" for now

It doesn't matter if it's consistent or not. Jeff Carter has only had one 40 goal season in his career but only doing so once makes him a 40 goal scorer. JvR will reach it. All eyes are on a guy like Phil Kessel to finally hit 40, I think he will, although he hasn't yet.
- Schenn2shine

Look,I really like JVR and wish he was still a Flyer but, your phrase "a 40 goal scorer at a minimum" doesn't imply he does it once

I'm not saying JVR is bad or won't 'blossom.' I just think saying he's a consistent 40 goal scorer is a bit much. That would make him one of the 20 best players in the league.
- PhillySportsGuy

I never said JvR would be a consistent 40 goal scorer. You have to be on the same level as Alexander Ovechkin or Steven Stamkos these days to score 40 consistently. I will put JVR on the same level as Jeff Carter someday, if not this season. The key for him is to stag healthy. He will slump every season he plays but I think he'll have a strong start and a strong end every season.

I'm not comparing their games, I'm comparing their inconsistency. If Coburn had Schenn's nastiness, he'd be a dominant shutdown guy.
- PhillySportsGuy

No, I agree...just saying that Coburn's strengths are more easily applied to offset his weaknesses.

I don't dislike Schenn, either. I just wish he'd find consistency to his game. I don't need him to be Adam Foote. Just play solid, physical, stay at home defense& don't hurt the team with dumb

Look,I really like JVR and wish he was still a Flyer but, your phrase "a 40 goal scorer at a minimum" doesn't imply he does it once
- Briere

Yeah. I took that as meaning he would be a perennial 40 goal guy like Stamkos, Ovie, perry etc.

Look,I really like JVR and wish he was still a Flyer but, your phrase "a 40 goal scorer at a minimum" doesn't imply he does it once
- Briere

It doesn't imply that it doesn't.

I never said JvR would be a consistent 40 goal scorer. You have to be on the same level as Alexander Ovechkin or Steven Stamkos these days to score 40 consistently. I will put JVR on the same level as Jeff Carter someday, if not this season. The key for him is to stag healthy. He will slump every season he plays but I think he'll have a strong start and a strong end every season.
- Schenn2shine

Well, a guy like cheechoo potted 56 one year then vanished like a fart in the wind. Getting 40 one year is impressive, but I thought you meant JVR would be hitting 40 constantly. I think JVR will be hitting around 30 consistently.