I know I'll probably come off like a typical Islander fan but how can Grabner get two games for that hit on Gerbe and Kreider gets nothing for this? It is a blatant after whistle intent to injure. He side swiped him into the boards. I'm not saying this because of any Isles/Ranger BS it just makes zero sense?
- Cptmjl

because they were saying elbow to the head on the Grabner play

this was not a head shot

I know like a typical Islander fan but how can Grabner get two games for that hit on Gerbe and Kreider gets nothing for this? It is a blatant after whistle intent to injure. He side swiped him into the boards. I'm not saying this because of any Isles/Ranger BS it just makes zero sense?
- Cptmjl

I have no idea how NHL supplemental discipline works. Absolutely none. I am not taking a position on this one, because I just have no idea what the standards are, and what hits are suspendable, and which ones aren't. This one doesn't fall neatly within the types of hits that the NHL has suspended in the past, but I'm not saying that should be the end of the story.

I do play and take another look. Krieder never stopped after contact; meaning it was a shove and not full body contact.
- mames11

Again, Krieder had more than enough momentum to shove down someone to the ice. It's rather easy, actually, especially when they are smaller.

Try it next time. Upshall didn't embellish the fall..that would be ridiculous, he had no idea it was coming. He probably embellished the extent of the injury.

I know I'll probably come off like a typical Islander fan but how can Grabner get two games for that hit on Gerbe and Kreider gets nothing for this? It is a blatant after whistle intent to injure. He side swiped him into the boards. I'm not saying this because of any Isles/Ranger BS it just makes zero sense?
- Cptmjl

Hahahahahaaaaa....what?

Oh stop, that wasn't the idea of that post. If that was Kreider on the receiving end you guys would all be calling for the head of whoever did it
- Cptmjl

Just playing. You did say intent to injure & that required a couple laughing winky guys.

Just playing. You did say intent to injure & that required a couple laughing winky guys.
- B2B76

It was definetely a blatant after the whistle attempt to plant his *ss, i'll concede that.

I know I'll probably come off like a typical Islander fan but how can Grabner get two games for that hit on Gerbe and Kreider gets nothing for this? It is a blatant after whistle intent to injure. He side swiped him into the boards. I'm not saying this because of any Isles/Ranger BS it just makes zero sense?
- Cptmjl

Technicaly it was after the whitsle. It definitely was a penalty. But no doubt Upshall embellished a little bit.

Again, Krieder had more than enough momentum to shove down someone to the ice. It's rather easy, actually, especially when they are smaller.

Try it next time. Upshall didn't embellish the fall..that would be ridiculous, he had no idea it was coming. He probably embellished the extent of the injury.
- Blackstrom2

Dude took lessons from Avery. Watch him flail his arms up and snap his head back like he got whopped with a 2x4. Your head doesn't snap back like that from a shove from the front.

because they were saying elbow to the head on the Grabner play

this was not a head shot
- jimbro83

Well it obviously wasn't on the Grabner hit but lets forget about Grabner it was just an example albeit maybe not a good one? If Kreider was on the recieving end of that hit would you expect a suspension of the player that did it to him?

Technicaly it was after the whitsle. It definitely was a penalty. But no doubt Upshall embellished a little bit.
- tomburton99

Did Upshall or any Panther have a quote on the incident? Had to be some chatter about that in their room.

Just playing. You did say intent to injure & that required a couple laughing winky guys.
- B2B76

No, but it was a shove on someone to his blindside away from the puck, a few feet from the boards. Not saying he deserves a suspension, because he doesn't, but to imply that people can't get injured on a play like that or it wasn't reckless/dangerous and simply a penalty on a hockey play isn't correct either.
- Blackstrom2

i actually don't care, Rangers have been getting hurt on these kind of things every couple of weeks since last year, I am more than happy to start taking some people out at this point

I know I'll probably come off like a typical Islander fan but how can Grabner get two games for that hit on Gerbe and Kreider gets nothing for this? It is a blatant after whistle intent to injure. He side swiped him into the boards. I'm not saying this because of any Isles/Ranger BS it just makes zero sense?
- Cptmjl

I disagree with this part of your comment. I think Kreider's intent was to give him a shove, the type of shove we see all the time in post-whistle scrums. Upshall was moving backwards toward his bench while obviously Kreider was gliding towards him. Kreider is a big strong boy but if you look at his arm extension on the shove he didn't put all that much into it. I'm sure he didn't account for his mass combined with Upshall's momentum. It was reckless but I don't believe there was an intent to injure.

I have no idea how NHL supplemental discipline works. Absolutely none. I am not taking a position on this one, because I just have no idea what the standards are, and what hits are suspendable, and which ones aren't. This one doesn't fall neatly within the types of hits that the NHL has suspended in the past, but I'm not saying that should be the end of the story.
- Pete V

Seems to be somewhere along the same lines as EK's "E" system?

Well it obviously wasn't on the Grabner hit but lets forget about Grabner it was just an example albeit maybe not a good one? If Kreider was on the recieving end of that hit would you expect a suspension of the player that did it to him?
- Cptmjl

no, because it wasn't a head shot

I disagree with this part of your comment. I think Kreider's intent was to give him a shove, the type of shove we see all the time in post-whistle scrums. Upshall was moving backwards toward his bench while obviously Kreider was gliding towards him. Kreider is a big strong boy but if you look at his arm extension on the shove he didn't put all that much into it. I'm sure he didn't account for his mass combined with Upshall's momentum. It was reckless but I don't believe there was an intent to injure.
- gkmkiller

It certainly could be perceived that way. Reckless is probably a good description. There have been many suspensions for far less this year. The criteria may be different but an after whistle play like that should warrant a suspension.

no, because it wasn't a head shot
- jimbro83

and if Kreider got injured on the play?

i actually don't care, Rangers have been getting hurt on these kind of things every couple of weeks since last year, I am more than happy to start taking some people out at this point
- jimbro83

oh. ok.

I don't like to get shoved when I'm away from the puck.

It certainly could be perceived that way. Reckless is probably a good description. There have been many suspensions for far less this year. The criteria may be different but an after whistle play like that should warrant a suspension.
- Cptmjl

what has been suspended this year that wasn't a head shot or a hit from behind?

Again, Krieder had more than enough momentum to shove down someone to the ice. It's rather easy, actually, especially when they are smaller.

Try it next time. Upshall didn't embellish the fall..that would be ridiculous, he had no idea it was coming. He probably embellished the extent of the injury.
- Blackstrom2

Let's not make it seem as if Upshall is some tiny shrinking violet. He's a 200-lb man with 393 PIM's in 429 career games. He is not a small guy and does not shy away from the physical game.

Yes, Kreider is still bigger than he is but this isn't a case of Chris Kunitz (6'0", 195 lbs) going after a hobbit named Zuccarello (5'7", 170 lbs).

I don't think he embellished the contact at all and I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't feel it for a few minutes afterwards. He did fall pretty hard into the boards and it looked like the back of his head hit the top.

It certainly could be perceived that way. Reckless is probably a good description. There have been many suspensions for far less this year. The criteria may be different but an after whistle play like that should warrant a suspension.
- Cptmjl

It was just a shove, not a full on body check. Stupid play, could have injured Upshall, but if we start suspending guys for this, the NHL would officially have jumped the shark.

and if Kreider got injured on the play?
- Cptmjl

you also have to look at the few seconds that led up to this, Upshall was slashing and hacking Stepan and that's why Kreider did what he did

If Kreider was doing that to another player and got annihilated into the boards without a headshot or a hit from behind and got injured I would think he got what he deserved

Did Upshall or any Panther have a quote on the incident? Had to be some chatter about that in their room.
- B2B76

Upshall called the hit "vicious." I think that's a bit over the top.

Upshall called the hit "vicious." I think that's a bit over the top.
- gkmkiller

maybe Upshall will learn a lesson from this then

Hahahahahaaaaa....what?
- mames11

There was no whistle and no intent, if there was he would followed through