We do the same thing! Hey, We would love great player "x", but the only players available in the deal our Del Zotto, Miller, and Zucarello.
- Pete V

Difference is our team is/was good. They have gotten 3 first overalls in a row and didn't do much better last year and look to be a lottery team again this year. At some point you can't keep talking me how good everyone on your team is and you can't possibly move them for a team shake-up

Difference is our team is/was good. They have gotten 3 first overalls in a row and didn't do much better last year and look to be a lottery team again this year. At some point you can't keep talking me how good everyone on your team is and you can't possibly move them for a team shake-up
- mrhattrick27

Oilers need a Lindros type trade

Nordiques had 3 number 1 picks in a row too and turned Lindros into the parts that built a couple of Stanley Cups in Colorado.

Oilers need a Lindros type trade

Nordiques had 3 number 1 picks in a row too and turned Lindros into the parts that built a couple of Stanley Cups in Colorado.
- jimbro83

Not sure if a trade like the Lindros trade will ever happen again, as the pieces that went back in that trade were just absurd: Forsberg, Hextall, Duchene, Ricci, two first rounders, and a couple of other spare parts, and a boat load of cash.

And, the Rangers competing trade was equally absurd, something like, Amonte, Weight, Nemchinov, Patrick, Beezer, Kovalev, et.

I don't think even Crosby would bring back even close to those type of packages these days.

But, I get the overall point, and they may need to do something drastic to even out that team a little.

Oilers need a Lindros type trade

Nordiques had 3 number 1 picks in a row too and turned Lindros into the parts that built a couple of Stanley Cups in Colorado.
- jimbro83

Agreed. I trade Yakupov if I'm them. But not to the Rangers. I would only trade him to the Rangers if I get one of the top 4 Dmen+Kreider+McI+1 and would have Talbot thrown in because I can. That would be my asking price.

I would ask that those of you without impulse control consider not calling people names when responding to a post. It isn't necessary to escalate. Nothing's really happened.

Agreed. I trade Yakupov if I'm them. But not to the Rangers. I would only trade him to the Rangers if I get one of the top 4 Dmen+Kreider+McI+1 and would have Talbot thrown in because I can. That would be my asking price.
- mrhattrick27

Sather seldom gets fleeced in a trade..... that scenario above is a hard core fleecing for Edmonton. If that's what they are asking, Sather walks away,

Tim Panaccio ‏@tpanotchCSN 19m

Told today Flyers are talking with EDM about Eberle



edit: maybe that means we have been talking Eberle too?
- jimbro83

If Eberle is available, you'd think a lot of teams would be in on that and Edmonton would work them against each other to get the best deal.

Sather seldom gets fleeced in a trade..... that scenario above is a hard core fleecing for Edmonton. If that's what they are asking, Sather walks away,
- tbreinold

As he should. I am just saying what I'd ask for. I think EDM finds a better trade partner for Yakupov elsewhere.

As he should. I am just saying what I'd ask for. I think EDM finds a better trade partner for Yakupov elsewhere.
- mrhattrick27

Maybe, but their decision makers are in the rink so much for Rangers' games, they may not get the appropriate cell phone coverage to take calls from anyone else.

Maybe, but their decision makers are in the rink so much for Rangers' games, they may not get the appropriate cell phone coverage to take calls from anyone else.
- Pete V

Actually, I would trade Yak to the Rangers if I'm getting Staal.

If Eberle is available, you'd think a lot of teams would be in on that and Edmonton would work them against each other to get the best deal.
- bodiva88

apparently everybody on Edmonton is untouchable and you are considered crazy if you bring them up in a deal

As he should. I am just saying what I'd ask for. I think EDM finds a better trade partner for Yakupov elsewhere.
- mrhattrick27

I feel like they are not going to find a better offer than the one they are getting from NYR. Too many ???? at this point for teams to make a substantial offer.

apparently everybody on Edmonton is untouchable and you are considered crazy if you bring them up in a deal
- jimbro83

no no no hemsky and his $5 mil cap hit is available

As he should. I am just saying what I'd ask for. I think EDM finds a better trade partner for Yakupov elsewhere.
- mrhattrick27

apparently the rangers might be the ONLY team in the entire league considering trading for him.

I feel like they are not going to find a better offer than the one they are getting from NYR. Too many ???? at this point for teams to make a substantial offer.
- tbreinold

And what offer is that?? I didn't hear a rumor or you just saying we probably have the best offer on the table. And mind you, EDM doesn't HAVE to deal him. I'd shop him to get the pieces I need but I wouldn't just trade him to trade him.

And what offer is that?? I didn't hear a rumor or you just saying we probably have the best offer on the table. And mind you, EDM doesn't HAVE to deal him. I'd shop him to get the pieces I need but I wouldn't just trade him to trade him.
- mrhattrick27

i think EDM is at a severe disadvantage here. it's like the rick nash trade all over again.

1) the rangers are one of the only teams -- if THE only a team -- a trade is possible to occur with.
2) all things considered, the rangers are doing fine right now and are in no rush to blow it up for yakupov.
3) the oilers are only losing more and more games, some as a direct result of yakupov's play, and him and his coach's relationship is getting more and more damaged.

the oiler's only leverage move here is to holdout and refuse to trade him unless we give them what they want, in which case, we won't and they will be picking in the top 5 again while we will just get a different rental winger at the deadline for substantially less and make the playoffs.

i think EDM is at a severe disadvantage here. it's like the rick nash trade all over again.

1) the rangers are one of the only teams -- if THE only a team -- a trade is possible to occur with.
2) all things considered, the rangers are doing fine right now and are in no rush to blow it up for yakupov.
3) the oilers are only losing more and more games, some as a direct result of yakupov's play, and him and his coach's relationship is getting more and more damaged.

the oiler's only leverage move here is to holdout and refuse to trade him unless we give them what they want, in which case, we won't and they will be picking in the top 5 again while we will just get a different rental winger at the deadline for substantially less and make the playoffs.
- rangerdanger94

I disagree completely. He isn't a 28 year old star with a NTC demanding a trade when the Oil are trying to rebuild. He has yet to play a full 82 game NHL season, he was just a recent draft pick, isn't demanding a trade let alone to the Rangers. Just totally different. The Oil do not have to trade him. If they suck this year, they suck. And they can get yet another high pick and continue building.

I disagree completely. He isn't a 28 year old star with a NTC demanding a trade when the Oil are trying to rebuild. He has yet to play a full 82 game NHL season, he was just a recent draft pick, isn't demanding a trade let alone to the Rangers. Just totally different. The Oil do not have to trade him. If they suck this year, they suck. And they can get yet another high pick and continue building.
- mrhattrick27

rick nash's value was a lot higher than yakupov's when he was traded because nash was already proven and a leader and went through the process. obviously, his value sunk dramatically because of his NTC and he was only willing to go to a few teams.

but reports are that the rangers might be the only team in the entire league wanting to trade for yakupov. nobody else wants this kid, so similar to columbus, NY is the only trading partner. this eliminates a bidding war.

with that said, you are right that they don't have to trade him. and like i said, if they decide not to lower their demands, whatever they might be, the rangers will stay clear and get a different rental like matt moulson and move on without yakupov. we're not desperate to make a blockbuster deal to acquire yakupov. we're winning games, scoring goals, and all this without rick nash.

basically what i'm saying is that if a deal between the 2 teams happens, we won't get fleeced because sather isn't an idiot and realizes he doesn't need to be. if EDM trades yakupov to us, it will be for a fair deal or even a deal that's seen as a slight "steal" for NY. sather isn't going to get robbed here for this kid.

EDM can go ahead and suck it up again this year and get another top 3 pick and continue to "build" but seriously...they have to draw the line somewhere and say enough is enough with these lottery picks.

how nice would it be to have his ability to win a faceoff added to this mix
- jimbro83

I liked Dubi too and even though he was overpaid I appreciated the little things he did on the ice. As is often the case, you don't miss it until it's gone.

If Eberle is available, you'd think a lot of teams would be in on that and Edmonton would work them against each other to get the best deal.
- bodiva88

Understand I think any team would be interested in Eberle, however, given the Oilers need and desire either for a proven goalie and/or a top-pair defenseman, what would the Flyers build that type of trade around? The Schenns?

I liked Dubi too and even though he was overpaid I appreciated the little things he did on the ice. As is often the case, you don't miss it until it's gone.
- gkmkiller

Let's sign him when hes a UFA either this season or next ( I forget)

i think EDM is at a severe disadvantage here. it's like the rick nash trade all over again.

1) the rangers are one of the only teams -- if THE only a team -- a trade is possible to occur with.
2) all things considered, the rangers are doing fine right now and are in no rush to blow it up for yakupov.
3) the oilers are only losing more and more games, some as a direct result of yakupov's play, and him and his coach's relationship is getting more and more damaged.

the oiler's only leverage move here is to holdout and refuse to trade him unless we give them what they want, in which case, we won't and they will be picking in the top 5 again while we will just get a different rental winger at the deadline for substantially less and make the playoffs.
- rangerdanger94

It's similar to the Nash deal in that the Rangers have the assets to make the deal. Edmonton has Sather's best offer just as Columbus did, he didn't budge off that offer and he won't budge off this one. Yak's stock and relationship with Eakins, is going down the drain on a daily basis. If in fact, it's MDZ, Miller and a 1st and The Oil don't do the deal, they were never going to deal him in the 1st place.

Just wanted to mention that the puck movement on the powerr play looks awesome. Obviously its an improvment over last year, but even when theyre arent scoring the confidence is there.

Moving McD to the point on the PP was long over due and its paying off now.
- TrueBlue9182

I know many of us have said that McD had some untapped offensive potential and should be on the PP. Too bad for Torts he didn't listen to us. Evidently AV has an account on HB. Wonder what his username is.

Let's sign him when hes a UFA either this season or next ( I forget)
- mrhattrick27

I'd be on board for that. He's a free agent after next season but the guy that covers the Jackets on this site tells me the Jackets are going to make re-signing him a priority. He looks to be set to be their next captain.

I know many of us have said that McD had some untapped offensive potential and should be on the PP. Too bad for Torts he didn't listen to us. Evidently AV has an account on HB. Wonder what his username is.
- gkmkiller

must be the guy who was begging everyone to wait until mid november when the injuries got better to judge the team