Did that change with the new CBA? The Flyers traded Carter to Columbus before his new contract and NMC kicked in.

If I were a player, and I knew about the Carter and Richard trades, I would never give the Flyers a hometown discount to play for them.
- Flyers_01

Yes, I believe that was one of the changes with the new CBA. Funny how some CBA changes are done as a direct response to the things Flyer management does!

i think it starts with realizing that some of the players that were recently traded for are not as good as once thought and that the gm may have been fleeced. then you ask him to clean out his desk, thank him for all his hard work, and make some trades.
- hogweed

I don't think there is anything else that can be done besides what you suggest at this point! We all know Uncle Eddie doesn't have any patience and wants another cup before he kicks the bucket

Im serious trade g....with 1 minute to go g does nothing to tie up jordan thats not the first time I saw thst of g this year its like he is doing a danny b impression
- mydoglicks

Trade G for Luke Schenn

Its time for the truth about his injury to sit him.at one gpg the average output it is probably time for the lines to be shuffled based on what little ability and passing is displayed. I have never seen such stupid play such ineptness such stone hands and cement heads and cowardice ever.players look to be wanting to be out of this city and organization and are playing to that level.
- Steelmanpa

thats the feeling i get...blow this (frank)er up

i think it starts with realizing that some of the players that were recently traded for are not as good as once thought and that the gm may have been fleeced. then you ask him to clean out his desk, thank him for all his hard work, and make some trades.
- hogweed

I would like to see them ride out the season with what they have. More than anything else the defense could use an infusion of puck handling ability and footspeed (ie. the anti-Luke Schenn) but GMs will Fleece Holmgren.

If i had a choice I'd get rid of grossman and keep schenn though. Grossman's on his last legs. He's slow as it is and continues to get beat up. He's going to lose one more step shortly and turn into a fringe defenseman with a big contract.

I was at the game last night and was lucky enough to have great seats close to the Flyers bench. When the Flyers scored, Giroux was trying to get everyone fired up on the bench. Once the Canes scored you could see on their faces that they were going to lose, and worse, they knew they were going to lose. Gill was the only one who had any look of confidence. He was talking to guys trying to get them settled in.

On a side note, it was crazy to watch warmups and see how many guys couldn't hit the empty net. I watched Giroux take 8 or 9 shots and he only hit the net once. It is scary to see how low everyone's confidence is on this team.

We'll trade you Bozak for him
- MaximusAurelius

give reily up and then ok

I was at the game last night and was lucky enough to have great seats close to the Flyers bench.
- szandor

nice insight from that perspective
first off, the word lucky should be in quotes
and second, let us know if you start doing mindless things in the next day or so, like forgetting stuff, or locking your keys in your car....maybe what they have is contagious

Bill, this is just brutal. Does your gut say stand pat and let them play through it? The futility is remarkable. I keep wanting to believe that they're Mr. mom and the other team is Martin Mull but I think they truly just suck
- wilsonecho91

"220. 221. whatever it takes." the flyers have no clue about whatever it takes.

they do suck. right now anyway. the collection of individual players is capable of producing far more than they are. why they have turned into a team that has almost zero ability to even look like they know how to score a single goal is beyond comprehension. 13 games out of 14 scored 2 goals or less. mason has literally zero margin for error every single night. it's criminal.

"220. 221. whatever it takes." the flyers have no clue about whatever it takes.

they do suck. right now anyway. the collection of individual players is capable of producing far more than they are. why they have turned into a team that has almost zero ability to even look like they know how to score a single goal is beyond comprehension. 13 games out of 14 scored 2 goals or less. mason has literally zero margin for error every single night. it's criminal.
- hammarby31

is there some organizational turmoil? To me thats the only explanation.

Did that change with the new CBA? The Flyers traded Carter to Columbus before his new contract and NMC kicked in.

If I were a player, and I knew about the Carter and Richard trades, I would never give the Flyers a hometown discount to play for them.
- Flyers_01

You are on to something here. The fiber of this team was damaged that day. Forget stats that once appeared to justify the move. It has more to do with trust and actions speaking louder than words. The GM assured them they were safe just weeks before. Mr. Snider boasts that he doesn't care what anyone thinks. He should care about "how" things are done if not why. The timing of the coaching change was another devastating blow to that fiber. It almost appears that the locker room has responded in like fashion. They can't muster up team pride. Just personal pride is not enough, unless you are a golfer.

they need couturier and schenn to start producing something. people make couturier to be a great untouchable and the kid can not score.
- ZaphodB

The captain who next year will have a top 5 in the league cap hit can not score either. But let's trade the 20 year old lowest paid top 9 forward on the team for the next 3 years. That'll fix the team.

It's disturbing how the fold in the clutch. There's no reason that they should have left last night without two points. None. And that's as a team that played like crap for 59 out of the sixty minutes
- Jsaquella

as soon as grossmann iced the puck i knew the game was going to end the way it did. i knew it. just sat back and watched the stupidity unfold. to be foiled by their own mistakes and by a career ahl goalie with a chest/arm protector that puts CSP to shame and a defensive specialist returning to the league after a lengthy injury is just downright laughable. i'm not sure it can get much lower than last night. it's worse than a 7-0 blowout.

The one season goaltending is not an issue and BAM, the rest of the team falls apart.

You are on to something here. The fiber of this team was damaged that day. Forget stats that once appeared to justify the move. It has more to do with trust and actions speaking louder than words. The GM assured them they were safe just weeks before. Mr. Snider boasts that he doesn't care what anyone thinks. He should care about "how" things are done if not why. The timing of the coaching change was another devastating blow to that fiber. It almost appears that the locker room has responded in like fashion. They can't muster up team pride. Just personal pride is not enough, unless you are a golfer.
- TJ

I have to think that keeping Lavi on, long after the team tuned him out, helped drive this team further onto the rocks.

It's good that they don't care what anyone thinks because everyone thinks their a laughing stock after the Lavi firing 3 games in and almost setting another alltime futility record at the beginning of the season. I have to think the Flyers do hold the record for fewest goals scored through the first 14 games of the season.

Anyone think Giroux's woes have anything to do with the Flyers bringing in Vinny and forcing Giroux to feel the need to do too much?

The old give up the tying goal in the last minute, lose in OT act. Was wondering when we would see that.

Carolina had lost 5 in a row, and had their third string goalie in net, and still the Flyers came away with one goal. Unreal.

What a mess. I have no idea what the solution is.
- PLindbergh31

i was waiting for the egg on the face image from you. you're slipping a bit.

The one season goaltending is not an issue and BAM, the rest of the team falls apart.
- PhiFaninEdm

Never Again! (insert Snider gif here)

I think the system (built around our morbid D) is really hurting them from scoring goals...the team is so scared to give up the odd man break, they don't put anyone in front of the net, I no longer see Simmonds or Hartnell in the area where they score thier type of goals, in front of the net...what i normally see is guys working thier way back to our D zone to prevent the break out after a weak shot...I can't tell you how many times we get a turnover, but everyone is already out of the zone skating back...we no no long capitalize and take advantage of turnovers like we did when Carts and Richie were here...teams feared turning the puck over against us...they don't anymore becasue they know this team is going backwards to protect the D, even when we have the puck in the offensive zone...

The old give up the tying goal in the last minute, lose in OT act. Was wondering when we would see that.

Carolina had lost 5 in a row, and had their third string goalie in net, and still the Flyers came away with one goal. Unreal.

What a mess. I have no idea what the solution is.
- PLindbergh31

This.

No one trade will fix this.

I'm not even sure Holmgren's eventual "departure" will fix this.

Was this the night they were going to turn it around? Nope! Ever since the playoffs against the devils I have been asking myself the same question, and so has management. They have come up with the following answers/excuses:

1) The goalie situation. He is average at best and a cancer in the locker room.

2) The coach has lost the locker room.

3) The system is what is killing us out there.

Now, we have changed the goalie, the coach and the system. They are starting to run out of excuses. Collectively, this team that has been assembled, is not a contender. I have no faith they will turn it around and my opinion is that they flat out suck. They don't suck individually, but the composition is all wrong. Hopefully other GMs will see this when time comes to start shipping out players. And that time will have to come.

Also, a lot of this roster has been chissled in stone with ridiculous contract terms as well as NMCs. Streit, Lecav(produces now, but will fade with the years) and Hartnell(it is amazing how that man still sits on a top line ).

Do you think the players' contract terms is what is keeping them in? For example Streit and Hartnell with their relatively massive contracts. I have a feeling management is afraid to bench these guys because it would look so bad to bench the top paid echelon.

It starts and ends with a GM who is free to do what he pleases, who is free to move away from the win now mantra.

This.

No one trade will fix this.

I'm not even sure Holmgren's eventual "departure" will fix this.
- johndewar

things are horrible now and it's difficult to view anything with much clarity.

schenn alone in front of the net and can't accept a pass
- hogweed

The pass did handcuff him...it came in to him on the wrong side and he couldn't react, becasue he never expected Kimmo to actually have a move to get the deep in the zone...that play, minus the handcuff pass was one of the bright spots of that game...they need more of that to set thing up...it was one of the rare cases this season where a D man has done something offensively outside of shooting the puck wide from the point...

I think the system (built around our morbid D) is really hurting them from scoring goals...the team is so scared to give up the odd man break, they don't put anyone in front of the net, I no long see Simmonds or Hartnell in the area where they score thier type of goals, in front of the net...what i normally see is guys working thier way back to our D zone to prevent the break out after a weak shot...I can't tell you how many times we get a turnover, but everyone is already out of the zone skating back...we no no long capitalize and take advantage of turnovers like we did when Carts and Richie were here...teams feared turning the puck over against us...they don't anymore becasue they know this team is going backwards to protect the D, even when we have the puck in the offensive zone...
- JW98FlyerFan

To win in the NHL you must work hard and sacrifice everything. This team doesn't work hard and seems unwilling to sacrifice. Do our forwards have a single shot block this year? Have our players crashed opponents net and collide into the goalie? Nope, we just crash our own net.

Off topic, but I guess Bob has come back to Earth a bit:

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