I've got to think Ehrhoff is available and honestly, he would be a nice pick up. Signed long term at a very respectable price. I'm wondering what Buff would want from us. I'd try to see if they would do Simmonds, Prospect and a middle round pick...

my reaction was closer to Mason's
- Marc D

I was expecting it. Because the Flyers have SUCKED for two years defensively 5 on 6 and offensively 6 on 5.

God, all I have to do is come to this thread and I want to cry.

This team really only has 2.5 elite or all-star calibre players on it.
Giroux - well the old Giroux - there's 1.
Voracek - barely - that's 2.
and the .5 goes to Mason although by season's end it could be a full point.

The rebuild started when they traded Richards and Carter. Not one trade or signing Homer has made including those trades has worked out in our favor except for Mason so far. We traded known good players for players we were not sure of. Homer was great from 06-10, but has been awful the past 4 years.
- Jimmygrazz

You said the Richards/Carter trades were rebuild trades...indeed, they brought in younger core players and picks (JV, Couturier, B Schenn, Simmonds, associated pick for Cousins). Factor in also, Pronger's follow on career ending injury... between bringing in the younger, less developed players and the loss of an elite, HOF, alpha D man, and the reality is that the team took a few steps back in terms of Stanley cup contention. With a roster having a lot of young players that have not yet reached their potential (some have a long way to go) mixed in with a few veterans, some with their own issues, expectations need to be reeled in.

Holmgren is far form perfect, but, in addition to some talented young guys who should blossom into more consistent and effective performers over the next few years, there is a pipeline of decent prospects, some of whom should start to make the big club in that span...as fans we have to understand that the rebuild is still in progress and sometimes, this horrible stretch is what it can look like. Remember, on the way up with the old core, it took time and patience for the team to learn the tough lessons, mature, and go through some bad times to be able to rebound stronger.

I'm for taking the patient route and allowing time (2-3 years) for the young players and prospects to blossom and to ultimately leave behind a few of the vets that aren't cutting it (Timonen is obv done after this season, for starters).

I'm excited about what this team is going to look like in 2-3 years when a huge, agile and physical Sam Morin is playing 20 mins a night...when gritty guys with good motors like Laughton, McGinn and Cousins are in the lineup...when guys like Couturier, B Schenn, L Schenn, Simmer, Jake and even G come into their own as more experienced and effective players...when one or two of Alt, Ghost, Hagg, Akeson, Alderson make the team...when a revived Mason is locked in long term with top goalie prospect Stolarz backing him up...when this year's lottery pick (let's face it) starts to have a real impact. I am thinking I am going to like that team when it gets here.

People want to blame Holmgren for the current performance of the team, and I get that, but personally, I think it's premature to make a judgement...not enough time has passed to accurately project the result of Holmgren's post-Carter/Richards/Pronger rebuild. Say what you will about the Timonen and Streit singings, but Holmgren has brought a lot of good, younger players and prospects into the organization in the past few years...it takes time...like years, for them to develop and come into their own at the NHL level. How can we possibly judge now what kind of job Holmgren has done in drafting/signing these players without waiting long enough to see how they do once they start blossoming?

People are looking a the current product on the ice and calling for Homer's job, but I don't think they are looking at the bigger picture, and many are discounting the potential impact of the younger players and prospects Homer brought in over the coming years...further, I think some are discounting Homer's ability to adapt on the fly...he cut bait with Bryz and Briere...maybe struck gold with Mason...he's doing some good things as of late...it shows he's not afraid to admit his mistakes and has the balls to fix them.

I'm not looking so much at the current on ice product to judge Homer, but given the makeup of the org right now, I'm looking at where things are going in the future...and by that measure I don't have an issue with Holmgren right now and I would't advocate firing him this season unless I saw a major turn in the future fortunes of the team (i.,e, he starts trading top young talent for questionable/aging vets etc.).

Rumor is there is going to be a change in events at this years flyers wives carnival and they are as follows


1. Flyers fans will enjoy the entire flyer d core arriving on the event floor in a mini cooper

2. Flyers fans will get to see berube actually juggling assorted flyer bobble heads

3. Flyers fans will enjoy a beer chugging event sponsored by hartnell. All fans are welcome to challenge the participating long term contracted players.

4. Flyers fans will enjoy an egg throwing contest. See if you can peg holmgren's face kids!
- Just5

Homer is already in the dunk tank every year. I feel bad for the charities, because they don't sell out when the team sucks. And the money goes to good things.

I've got to think Ehrhoff is available and honestly, he would be a nice pick up. Signed long term at a very respectable price. I'm wondering what Buff would want from us. I'd try to see if they would do Simmonds, Prospect and a middle round pick...
- hereticpride

there's a reason why the sharks let him go

[quote=exlund]

Nice sentiments. I agree with a lot that you said.

there's a reason why the sharks let him go
- 2Real

In the summer of 2009, Ehrhoff was traded to the Vancouver Canucks on August 28, 2009, along with defenceman Brad Lukowich in exchange for prospects Patrick White and Daniel Rahimi.[29] The deal was done primarily to clear salary cap space in anticipation of the Sharks' acquisition of star forward Dany Heatley from the Ottawa Senators.[1]

Right...

there's a reason why the sharks let him go
- 2Real

Please no more bloated cap hit crappy middle-of-the-road defenseman. The Flyers have their entire core comprised of such.

Homer is already in the dunk tank every year. I feel bad for the charities, because they don't sell out when the team sucks. And the money goes to good things.
- bodiva88

then the flyers should win for charity

then the flyers should win for charity
- 2Real

That'd be something. Lord knows they don't have to win for the sake of their contracts - they're already locked up long term.

Please no more bloated cap hit crappy middle-of-the-road defenseman. The Flyers have their entire core comprised of such.
- Pixote Andolini

Point totals in his last 4 full seasons

42(w/ SJ)
44(w/VAN)
50(w/VAN)
32(w/BUF)

But okay, whatever you say.

In the summer of 2009, Ehrhoff was traded to the Vancouver Canucks on August 28, 2009, along with defenceman Brad Lukowich in exchange for prospects Patrick White and Daniel Rahimi.
- hereticpride[29] The deal was done primarily to clear salary cap space in anticipation of the Sharks' acquisition of star forward Dany Heatley from the Ottawa Senators.[1]

Right...

traded for nothing no value at all

traded for nothing no value at all
- 2Real

So was Sharp. Your point?

Its sell the farm for a stud, wait 3 years for Morin and Hagg or try get a guy like Ehrhoff off a bad team when you can. I think he would be a pretty good replacement for Kimmo tbh.

So was Sharp. Your point?

Its sell the farm for a stud, wait 3 years for Morin and Hagg or try get a guy like Ehrhoff off a bad team when you can. I think he would be a pretty good replacement for Kimmo tbh.
- hereticpride

ok so we bring in erhoff
what's your plan with him to make the playoffs

So was Sharp. Your point?

Its sell the farm for a stud, wait 3 years for Morin and Hagg or try get a guy like Ehrhoff off a bad team when you can. I think he would be a pretty good replacement for Kimmo tbh.
- hereticpride

31 yrs old with 7 years left at 4 million. no thanks. I really want to see them add youth,

As a Leafs fan, I have to ask:

When was the last time Gagne played centre?

Yeah, we are grasping at straws here...

2 yrs ago this team finished with over 100 points. the players gone from that team who played 20 or more games: Jagr, Briere, Carle, JVR, wellwood, Bourdon, Harry Z, Lilja, Bryz, Shelley and Bob

in: Vinny, Streit, McGinn, Newbury, Raffl, L Schenn, Gill, Emery, Rosehill, Mason, Hall

31 yrs old with 7 years left at 4 million. no thanks. I really want to see them add youth,
- nastyflyergirl

Thank you.

As a Leafs fan, I have to ask:

When was the last time Gagne played centre?

Yeah, we are grasping at straws here...
- Atomic Wedgie

Surprised you're not talking about goaltending in Philadelphia. Everyone in Canada knows that's really what's wrong in Philly.

After 1

Chicoutimi - 1
Rimouski - 2

No points for Morin, just a solid hip check

I recognize that others see it differently -- I certainly read the posts, and I know that many people feel that his struggles are killing this team.

I see it differently. Giroux's never played like Eric Lindros, where he bulls his way to the net off the wall. He's always been more of a playmaker, and yes, even on the perimeter.

What's happened is that Scott Hartnell's gone into the tank, he's played with guys who have missed golden opportunities, he's hit posts, he's not played well in certain stretches, and guys have gotten hurt.

It's a lot of things that add up to his non-production, but I just don't feel that many of them lie solely at his feet -- it's not Giroux's fault that only two defensemen, at most, can carry the puck up ice at even an average pace at the NHL level.

He's playing with old players, slow players, players who are young and haven't developed, or players in decline.

Just my opinion.
- AllInForFlyers

on the PP G plays on the wall but 5 on 5 when was the last time we've seen him drive the net? when was the last time he has shown any creativity?

I'm a STH that shares tickets with some friends.....

Typically, even with the tickets I have, I sell some to help pay for the playoffs.

There is no way I can sell any tickets to anyone at this point with the way they are playing. I'm sure there are other STHs on this board that know what I mean.

And it's not like I'm not gonna go if I have the tickets that I can't sell.

I'll go, but I'll be in full "hate watch" mode. And probably broke because beer.
- johndewar

(Flyers boardroom)
Lukko: "Well Mr. Snider, the bad news is that attendance is down eighteen percent."
(Snider glares menacingly at Holmgren)
(Holmgren grimaces, makes 'hurry up' hand gesture at Lukko)
Lukko: "Err.... But the good news is, beer sales are up 2000 percent!"
(Holmgren turns to Snider, makes 'ta da' gesture)
(Snider smiles, claps gleefully)

2 yrs ago this team finished with over 100 points. the players gone from that team who played 20 or more games: Jagr, Briere, Carle, JVR, wellwood, Bourdon, Harry Z, Lilja, Bryz, Shelley and Bob

in: Vinny, Streit, McGinn, Newbury, Raffl, L Schenn, Gill, Emery, Rosehill, Mason, Hall
- nastyflyergirl

I think this post says a lot -- damn near everything -- we need to know about this team right now.

Jagr=Vinny
Briere of 2011 > Kris Newbury
JVR of 2011 > Tye McGinn
Matt Carle > Streit
Eric Wellwood vs. Michael Raffl: Push
Harry Z > Rosehill
Bourdon vs. Schenn 2013/14: Advantage, Bourdon
Bryz/Bob < Mason/Emery
Lilja/Shelley vs. Hall/Gill : Slight advantage, Hall/Gill

Toss in the fact that 2011 Kimmo Timonen is a totally different player than 2013 Timonen, and it's no wonder we are where we are.

We've lost depth players who could really skate. The downgrade from 2011 Briere to Kris Newbury is laughable to put that in the same sentence. JVR of 2011 was injured a lot, but he still managed to post a 23-goal, 50-point pace.

Wow. You look at it side-by-side, and holy hell. It's no wonder we are where we are. I had broken it down by just points, but we CLEARLY are worse than we were in 2011; the only thing keeping this from being a nightmare of epic proportions is Steve Mason.

on the PP G plays on the wall but 5 on 5 when was the last time we've seen him drive the net? when was the last time he has shown any creativity?
- nastyflyergirl

Believe me, I am not saying that Giroux shouldn't go to the harder areas of the ice -- he should, because we're past the point of him needing a goal to go in off his ass.

But at the same time, I do think he's been creative. What does it say that the day after Michael Raffl missed the net by a foot off a filthy little feed from Giroux in the slot that really should've been a goal against Anaheim, the Flyers brought in Steve Downie, and the next night Downie was on the line with Giroux?

Yes, I don't absolve Giroux of all blame. But at the same time, I'm looking around some of the top point producers at center in the league, and Giroux's having to do some damn heavy lifting compared with some of those guys.