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mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Nov 6 @ 5:07 PM ET
I think Gags has blocked Homer's phone number.
- Jimmygrazz

Toronto is desperate for centres and they just brought in Jarred Smithson on a tryout. If Gagne can't get a sniff there he's probably done.
Chris48
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gatineau
Joined: 10.21.2011

Nov 6 @ 5:08 PM ET
I think Gags has blocked Homer's phone number.
- Jimmygrazz



It's a given that Gags isn't happy with Homer, but he would accept a 1-year contract in an instant.

Raffle, Newbury, McGinn, Rosehill, ..... come on. He's a better option in my opinion.

Gags can play anywhere on the top 9, pp and pk. Loads of experience and responsible defensively. A no brainer for me. Nothing to lose, team is not producing, stir things up a bit.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Nov 6 @ 5:09 PM ET
I don't know what your watching. He's been so bad I think he must have an injury. It doesnt appear to be getting better.
- Just5

to me he seems to be really pressing on offense, and has made some bad gaffs on D

he hasn't shown the extra gear either skating or creating plays that he had before

in a recent game he fired three shots in a row on a PP from the half boards, all three were blocked. even coatsie said it was a bad idea

no idea if it is an injury or mental or combination, but I think the mental part of it is huge
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Nov 6 @ 5:10 PM ET
It's a given that Gags isn't happy with Homer, but he would accept a 1-year contract in an instant.

Raffle, Newbury, McGinn, Rosehill, ..... come on. He's a better option in my opinion.

Gags can play anywhere on the top 9, pp and pk. Loads of experience and responsible defensively. A no brainer for me. Nothing to lose, team is not producing, stir things up a bit.

- Chris48


There's a reason Gagne's sitting home, doing laundry. Lot of teams having trouble and struggling, and his phone ain't ringing. It's not just the Flyers who have no interest.

Besides, Downie got upgraded to day to day, and started skating today
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Nov 6 @ 5:11 PM ET
There's a reason Gagne's sitting home, doing laundry. Lot of teams having trouble and struggling, and his phone ain't ringing. It's not just the Flyers who have no interest.

Besides, Downie got upgraded to day to day, and started skating today

- Jsaquella

good news on Downie, ty
mcefalu
Location: I never back-read, IL
Joined: 07.11.2008

Nov 6 @ 5:12 PM ET
I still don't feel Berube is the answer. I could be wrong of course. And I'm not relieving any blame from the players. They are obviously the problem but if they were going to can Lavi I would have liked to see a clean house.
- funmaster18


Just out of curiosity, anyone know how long it took for the Caps to adjust to Adam Oates system when he took over? It's clear Berube's system has improved team defense, but maybe the offensive game is just taking longer to develop for the young guys.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Nov 6 @ 5:14 PM ET
OK. I'm gonna just say it, knowing full well this one's gonna bite me in the arse:

I think it's...not such a bad thing for Zac Rinaldo to be on the PK.

We talk a lot about the development of young players like Brayden Schenn and Sean Couturier, and how Luke Schenn needs to progress.

Rinaldo's...he can actually skate. And he's fearless. We all know those things. Isn't it fair to give him the opportunity to become a better hockey player? Just like the other young players?

I think...it is. He's a Flyers draft pick, too. And I say that fully realizing that there will likely be some...interesting...times ahead if he starts getting more PK minutes.

But he deserves chances to improve his ability to contribute to the team. One day, I'd love to have to write something different than "Zac Rinaldo shouldn't even be playing, because all he does is hit, and when you hit all the time, that simply means you don't have the puck."

- AllInForFlyers


I agree. Now is apparently the time to put guys in new roles and see if they rise up or fall down.
Chris48
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gatineau
Joined: 10.21.2011

Nov 6 @ 5:20 PM ET
There's a reason Gagne's sitting home, doing laundry. Lot of teams having trouble and struggling, and his phone ain't ringing. It's not just the Flyers who have no interest.

Besides, Downie got upgraded to day to day, and started skating today

- Jsaquella



What is that reason please ? Can't wait to hear this.

Are you telling me that Gags didn't play well for us when we got him back from LA seriously ?

Third line minutes on a line with Couts on pace for 15 goals and 35-40 points on a full season with the flyers last year. Better than Simmer, Hartnell, or anybody right now for that matter.

Obviously he's not a 35 goal guy anymore and he is injury prone, but he provided good 2 way play, scoring chances and some pp and pk time on the third line with Couts playing against the opposition's top lines.



Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Nov 6 @ 5:26 PM ET
What is that reason please ? Can't wait to hear this.

Are you telling me that Gags didn't play well for us when we got him back from LA seriously ?

Third line minutes on a line with Couts on pace for 15 goals and 35-40 points on a full season with the flyers last year. Better than Simmer, Hartnell, or anybody right now for that matter.

Obviously he's not a 35 goal guy anymore and he is injury prone, but he provided good 2 way play, scoring chances and some pp and pk time on the third line with Couts playing against the opposition's top lines.

- Chris48


I don't know what the reason is, but the Leafs just signed Jerred Smithson, who is basically a slower version of Yannic Perrault, rather than bring in Gagne.

There's a lot of teams that could use a good , two way third liner in the league, but we're a month in and Gagne hasn't gotten a sniff. That tells me that the Flyers aren't alone in having no interest in Gagne.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Nov 6 @ 5:27 PM ET
I don't know what the reason is, but the Leafs just signed Jerred Smithson, who is basically a slower version of Yannic Perrault, rather than bring in Gagne.

There's a lot of teams that could use a good , two way third liner in the league, but we're a month in and Gagne hasn't gotten a sniff. That tells me that the Flyers aren't alone in having no interest in Gagne.

- Jsaquella


Red flags for teams on Gagne for whatever reason(s)
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Nov 6 @ 5:30 PM ET
Red flags for teams on Gagne for whatever reason(s)
- ob18


Exactly. There's a lot of teams out there that could use a guy with Gagne's skills, but nobody has come calling.

Chris48
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gatineau
Joined: 10.21.2011

Nov 6 @ 5:31 PM ET
I don't know what the reason is, but the Leafs just signed Jerred Smithson, who is basically a slower version of Yannic Perrault, rather than bring in Gagne.

There's a lot of teams that could use a good , two way third liner in the league, but we're a month in and Gagne hasn't gotten a sniff. That tells me that the Flyers aren't alone in having no interest in Gagne.

- Jsaquella



He did get a sniff from MTL and Homer verbally assured him a contract from multiple reports and then the Cleary situation happened. Take a look at Raymond in Toronto who was there on a tryout, look how valuable he is over there. Unless he is injured I don't get it.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Nov 6 @ 5:38 PM ET
He did get a sniff from MTL and Homer verbally assured him a contract from multiple reports and then the Cleary situation happened. Take a look at Raymond in Toronto who was there on a tryout, look how valuable he is over there. Unless he is injured I don't get it.
- Chris48


When the Flyers invited Hal Gill to camp, and not him, Gagne should have realized that the Flyers were not interested. The Habs had mild interest and walked away in less than 72 hours. Nobody else has even called. His agent even played the "considering retirement" card a few weeks ago.

Raymond is 28 and has had one serious injury. Gagne's missed almost as many games as he has played the last few years. Perhaps Gagne's agent made monetary demands that scared teams off, but right now, you have to think he'd be willing to play for cheap...yet nobody's interested.

That speaks volumes to me. Besides, I'd rather have an open spot for young players to be recalled. If Gagne's here, McGinn or Akeson or whomever else gets recalled has another player to share ice time with.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Nov 6 @ 5:45 PM ET
It's too bad they don't trade with the Rangers.
Del Zotto seems to be in the doghouse there.

- Marc D


There were rumors that Flyers scout was at Ana-NYR game few days ago. I could totally see Read for Del Zotto. They need scoring, and everyone saw how well hagelin and Read played together overseas last year.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Nov 6 @ 5:45 PM ET
It's too bad they don't trade with the Rangers.
Del Zotto seems to be in the doghouse there.

- Marc D

Three team trade maybe.

Although I just saw a Rags fan refer to him as Del Zaster. Not so sure i'd be interested.
mcefalu
Location: I never back-read, IL
Joined: 07.11.2008

Nov 6 @ 5:47 PM ET
Bill, thanks for addressing the line shuffling in your FlyersBuzz podcast. It really has been driving me nuts. I feel like the forwards have had 0 opportunity to establish chemistry this season. Can't stand it. Keep G and Voracek together and just let them trudge through it until they break through
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Nov 6 @ 5:51 PM ET
Exactly. There's a lot of teams out there that could use a guy with Gagne's skills, but nobody has come calling.
- Jsaquella


What makes you think Gagne is the one holding out? Maybe he wants to wait for a team that is in playoff contention and loses a top 9 forward. He will get to heal up and rest up while other guys around him are beat up and slowing down. Could give him a chance at a cup, or at the very least a short window that he can perform well and get a nicer contract next year. The fact he hasn't signed overseas tells me this might actually be the idea.
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Nov 6 @ 5:53 PM ET
When the Flyers invited Hal Gill to camp, and not him, Gagne should have realized that the Flyers were not interested. The Habs had mild interest and walked away in less than 72 hours. Nobody else has even called. His agent even played the "considering retirement" card a few weeks ago.

Raymond is 28 and has had one serious injury. Gagne's missed almost as many games as he has played the last few years. Perhaps Gagne's agent made monetary demands that scared teams off, but right now, you have to think he'd be willing to play for cheap...yet nobody's interested.

That speaks volumes to me. Besides, I'd rather have an open spot for young players to be recalled. If Gagne's here, McGinn or Akeson or whomever else gets recalled has another player to share ice time with.

- Jsaquella


I addressed in below post that I think it might be more of a timing issue. If he still wanted to play and wasnt getting interest he would sign a NHL out contract in Russia, light up the lamp unitl an NHL team called. So he either does want to retire, or he is saving his body and signing for a playoff bound team.
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Nov 6 @ 5:54 PM ET
There were rumors that Flyers scout was at Ana-NYR game few days ago. I could totally see Read for Del Zotto. They need scoring, and everyone saw how well hagelin and Read played together overseas last year.
- youarewrong

I'd like to keep Read if possible, but realize they don't have a ton of players other teams would be interested in trading for.

Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Nov 6 @ 5:56 PM ET
Three team trade maybe.

Although I just saw a Rags fan refer to him as Del Zaster. Not so sure i'd be interested.

- hereticpride

could be a good reclamation project somewhere

he certainly has some good puck skills
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

Nov 6 @ 5:57 PM ET
Exactly -- Kris Newbury's flat-lined, Jay Rosehill's flat-lined, Andrej Meszaros and Hall Gill are flat-lined.

Not only are they not in our future, they're probably not in ANYBODY'S future.

If McGinn's not good enough to play, fine. But what purpose does playing Rosehill or Newbury serve? Giving a young player a chance sucks sometimes, but you know what else sucks? Having players on the roster who you won't use, for different reasons, who aren't even going to be here.

- AllInForFlyers


Agreed, if theyre not happy with McGinn bring Cousins up for a couple games. God forbid they add some more talent to the lineup. On D I like the calming influence and pk abilities of Gill, Certainly Gus and Schenn need to play so sit Mez and trade Kimmo to the contender of his choosing. Heck if Douglass Murray was worth a. 2nd last year, they should be able to at least get a 2nd for Timonen.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Nov 6 @ 5:57 PM ET
Wait a second... I see that the Devils recalled Cam Janssen. Was this McGinn transaction to "counter" that?

Seems to me like it is. They don't want to make McGinn a healthy scratch, and plan to play Rosehill tomorrow night so he can have a staged fight with another rock head.

Absolutely pathetic.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Nov 6 @ 5:58 PM ET
I'd like to keep Read if possible, but realize they don't have a ton of players other teams would be interested in trading for.
- Marc D

Yeah, Read is not a guy I would be looking to move unless the deal is too good to pass up. Simmonds is probably the winger I look to move. That being because moving Hartnell will be next to impossible.
Chris48
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gatineau
Joined: 10.21.2011

Nov 6 @ 6:01 PM ET
When the Flyers invited Hal Gill to camp, and not him, Gagne should have realized that the Flyers were not interested. The Habs had mild interest and walked away in less than 72 hours. Nobody else has even called. His agent even played the "considering retirement" card a few weeks ago.

Raymond is 28 and has had one serious injury. Gagne's missed almost as many games as he has played the last few years. Perhaps Gagne's agent made monetary demands that scared teams off, but right now, you have to think he'd be willing to play for cheap...yet nobody's interested.

That speaks volumes to me. Besides, I'd rather have an open spot for young players to be recalled. If Gagne's here, McGinn or Akeson or whomever else gets recalled has another player to share ice time with.

- Jsaquella



I still don't get it, his play last year was more then I expected out of him. Cheap contract, stir things up and maybe he helps the scoring get going. 2 way contract with a physical ? What do you have to lose.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Nov 6 @ 6:04 PM ET
Three team trade maybe.

Although I just saw a Rags fan refer to him as Del Zaster. Not so sure i'd be interested.

- hereticpride

people used to say jvr was a bust
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