If he is injured he needs to get the hell off the ice.
- MBFlyerfan

Exactly. The "he must be injured" seems like people reaching for an excuse, and I understand the desire, but it makes no sense that he's been injured the entire season and the last few games of the pre-season. He's either A) the slowest healer in the world, B) should have been scratched to recover, or C) not hurt.

My money is on C.

Stop giving away all of Crosby's secrets!
- FlyersGrace

Zing!!

I don't think Berube is the right coach for this team at this time. Not to say he won't be a good coach in the NHL, I just don't understand why you replace Lavi with an unproven head coach. This thing really needs a reset with coach and GM. Not that I don't have any confidence in homer, I just think it's time for a change. Can't even keep up with the hurricanes and devils. I don't see this miraculous turnaround happening even though I'm hoping.

JVRuserious?
- hammarby31

I kid you not. I kinda feel bad for the sales people. they are just doing their job calling people but man, good luck with that right now. the only way I would consider tickets is if they were 20.00 again. I kept them at 39.00 for a season but didn't take them this year. they are on stub hub between 10-20 every game so if I really want to go I will just buy them there.

Exactly. The "he must be injured" seems like people reaching for an excuse, and I understand the desire, but it makes no sense that he's been injured the entire season and the last few games of the pre-season. He's either A) the slowest healer in the world, B) should have been scratched to recover, or C) not hurt.

My money is on C.
- wolfhounds

I'm convinced the seriousness of his golf accident wasn't revealed. He didn't suddenly forget how to play hockey. To me it looks like he can't, not that he doesn't want to.

Anyone know if this team is on pace for the least amount of goals (per game avg) in history of the league? I'm sure they at least have to be on pace to break the Flyer record of fewest goals in a season. They are absolutely horrific to watch.

- Buzzo

Caps had less than 200 in 1975...

Edit: 181

If he is injured he needs to get the hell off the ice.
- MBFlyerfan

I think it's the c plus the contract plus last years poor record plus less veterans to lean on

Edit: plus the injury

I think it's the c plus the contract plus last years poor record plus less veterans to lean on

Edit: plus the injury
- funmaster18

plus he sucks

I'm convinced the seriousness of his golf accident wasn't revealed. He didn't suddenly forget how to play hockey. To me it looks like he can't, not that he doesn't want to.
- Scoob

I hope it's not a permanent situation with his wrist.

I'm convinced the seriousness of his golf accident wasn't revealed. He didn't suddenly forget how to play hockey. To me it looks like he can't, not that he doesn't want to.
- Scoob

Could be, maybe he's recovered but limited now, his accuracy diminished, but if that's the case, I would argue the Flyers will be parting ways with Giroux sooner rather than later because the accident that caused the injury occurred during the off-season in a non-hockey related activity. If he can't hit the net because of the injury to his hand - and it seems he can't even get a lot of shots through the D, let along hit the corners - I would imagine his upcoming contract is going to be contested/nullified.

plus he's a fraud
- wilsonecho91

FTFY

Taking Jake off of the top PP unit and going w/ Kimmo + Streit at the points, and Vinny on the right-side would make more sense. Giroux would then have an additional one-time passing option to feed to, which would open up his shot a bit as well.
- Tomahawk

Who plays the point on the 2nd unit then? It's annoying to me that the team doesn't have 4 defensemen they trust on the PP... they have 2.

I'm convinced the seriousness of his golf accident wasn't revealed. He didn't suddenly forget how to play hockey. To me it looks like he can't, not that he doesn't want to.
- Scoob

Well, this version of Giroux, IE the player who skates around the perimeter and tries to stay out of the way, is pretty much useless.

The guy has been invisible for the whole season.

I hate to say it because I really want to believe in this roster. But they simply do not have enough skill in the lineup, enough pure talent, to score goals consistently in this league.
- AllInForFlyers

I don't buy that. The Flyers have no fewer than a half-dozen forwards -- Giroux, Lecavalier, Voracek, Hartnell, Simmonds, and Read -- who have been 22+ goal scorers or 50+ point players (or at least the prorated equivalent in shortened seasons due to lockout or injury) within the last couple seasons. They have two defensemen who have averaged north of a point every other game in that span as well.

At a bare minimum, this club has enough skill/talent to be a middle-of-the-pack offensive team. There was a need to reduce the team GAA, so offense figured to go down a bit, but to be sitting there after 14 games barely averaging 1.5 goals per game as a team is pitiful. They should at least by a few notches better than that!

so what is everyone's opinions of the scouting staff? I mean, I know homer gets the final say so he is accountable but aren't the scouts also accountable who have guided Homer towards the Klotz's of the world. If Holmgren goes, do we see changes all throughout?

I don't buy that. The Flyers have no fewer than a half-dozen forwards -- Giroux, Lecavalier, Voracek, Hartnell, Simmonds, and Read -- who have been 22+ goal scorers or 50+ point players (or at least the prorated equivalent in shortened seasons due to lockout or injury) within the last couple seasons. They have two defensemen who have averaged north of a point every other game in that span as well.

At a bare minimum, this club has enough skill/talent to be a middle-of-the-pack offensive team. There was a need to reduce the team GAA, so offense figured to go down a bit, but to be sitting there after 14 games barely averaging 1.5 goals per game as a team is pitiful. They should at least by a few notches better than that!
- bmeltzer

what do you think the problem is? how offensively inept they are just blows my mind

Hopefully when G does finally score its like a dam breaking for him and others on the team.

I don't think Berube is the right coach for this team at this time. Not to say he won't be a good coach in the NHL, I just don't understand why you replace Lavi with an unproven head coach. This thing really needs a reset with coach and GM. Not that I don't have any confidence in homer, I just think it's time for a change. Can't even keep up with the hurricanes and devils. I don't see this miraculous turnaround happening even though I'm hoping.
- funmaster18

What would a more experienced head coach have done? Emphasized better skating and team D after what had become the norm in the latter part of Laviolette's tenure. He'd have tried some different line combinations, perhaps reduced the ice time of some struggling players (but you also need viable alternatives to take the minutes -- which have not emerged here). Basically, that's what Berube has also tried to do.

What would a more experienced head coach have done? Emphasized better skating and team D after what had become the norm in the latter part of Laviolette's tenure. He'd have tried some different line combinations, perhaps reduced the ice time of some struggling players (but you also need viable alternatives to take the minutes -- which have not emerged here). Basically, that's what Berube has also tried to do.
- bmeltzer

Bill, in your opinion how safe is Holmgren? I know some fans on here want him gone. What are your thoughts? Does he finish out the season?

What would a more experienced head coach have done? Emphasized better skating and team D after what had become the norm in the latter part of Laviolette's tenure. He'd have tried some different line combinations, perhaps reduced the ice time of some struggling players (but you also need viable alternatives to take the minutes -- which have not emerged here). Basically, that's what Berube has also tried to do.
- bmeltzer

Here, here!

I don't want to hear any crap about the coach or the GM, this season is on the players, period!

Giroux is floating around the ice like he's trying out for the ice capades

Hartnell can barely make or receive a pass, and apparently he is now allergic to hitting anyone

Voracek follows one or two good shifts with 3 or 4 invisible ones. Same goes for B Schenn

Simmonds makes more bad decisions with the puck in one period, than most players do in a month!

Timonen needs to pick it up or pack it in. I respect the guy immensely, but he just looks done out there.

L Schenn needs to watch films of his play last April and get his butt in gear!

But it's all the coaches fault, right??

Puhleeze!

At this point, I'm starting to miss the frankin lockout!!

Hopefully when G does finally score its like a dam breaking for him and others on the team.
- shekkie

Serious. DeBoer said the drought scares the crap out of him.

I don't buy that. The Flyers have no fewer than a half-dozen forwards -- Giroux, Lecavalier, Voracek, Hartnell, Simmonds, and Read -- who have been 22+ goal scorers or 50+ point players (or at least the prorated equivalent in shortened seasons due to lockout or injury) within the last couple seasons. They have two defensemen who have averaged north of a point every other game in that span as well.

At a bare minimum, this club has enough skill/talent to be a middle-of-the-pack offensive team. There was a need to reduce the team GAA, so offense figured to go down a bit, but to be sitting there after 14 games barely averaging 1.5 goals per game as a team is pitiful. They should at least by a few notches better than that!
- bmeltzer

Also how I feel. To argue that this team doesn't have enough offensive talent would suggest that two years ago the Flyers had half of their forward corps comprised of one hit wonders and I just don't buy that.

so what is everyone's opinions of the scouting staff? I mean, I know homer gets the final say so he is accountable but aren't the scouts also accountable who have guided Homer towards the Klotz's of the world. If Holmgren goes, do we see changes all throughout?
- nastyflyergirl

I would hope so, same w/the Phillies. Not to change the subject, but while Amaro has been terrible w/some contract extentsions all the "prospects" they've dealt in the last 3 years have been brutal. a few of them aren't even in baseball anymore.

I don't buy that. The Flyers have no fewer than a half-dozen forwards -- Giroux, Lecavalier, Voracek, Hartnell, Simmonds, and Read -- who have been 22+ goal scorers or 50+ point players (or at least the prorated equivalent in shortened seasons due to lockout or injury) within the last couple seasons. They have two defensemen who have averaged north of a point every other game in that span as well.

At a bare minimum, this club has enough skill/talent to be a middle-of-the-pack offensive team. There was a need to reduce the team GAA, so offense figured to go down a bit, but to be sitting there after 14 games barely averaging 1.5 goals per game as a team is pitiful. They should at least by a few notches better than that!
- bmeltzer

Do you honesty think they are talented enough to get themselves in the playoff hunt?

I didn't think they were coming into the season and they've been even worse than I thought.

I would hope so, same w/the Phillies. Not to change the subject, but while Amaro has been terrible w/some contract extentsions all the "prospects" they've dealt in the last 3 years have been brutal. a few of them aren't even in baseball anymore.
- flyguy12

Can they play hockey?