Del Zotto to Vancouver is not happening, EK is shooting blanks. I will sign up for a Hockeybuzz 10 year season pass if it does. Challenge is on!
- VanHockeyGuy

MDZ, Dorset, Zucc and Brassard for booth, Setisto and Edler. Its coming

Agree with this, I'd definitely trade Edler for Voracek and even add in a pick or prospect to make that happen, but I'd want a better d-man in return if I'm trading a player like Hansen or Burrows. Sounds like Del Zotto is more of a third pairing PP specialist type to me, he's no Ehrhoff. I know he's still young, but he isn't exactly progressing from what I've been reading and from what his puck possession stats show.
- Nucker101

MDZ is Ehrhoff

I just know enough about Del Zotto yet.

I agree with the general sentiment, Herr Doctor, but I nonetheless think there are limits, and a point where you are looking at diminishing returns. For example, as much as I hate Marchand, he's still a valuable asset (uggg, did I really just say that? ) in terms of what he brings (both skill and agitation wise).

The key difference between Marchand (and similar players like him) and Downie, though, is that the former does not have the 'snap' factor that Downie has. If you can't trust your player to control himself and know that at any time he can potentially have a very adverse impact on your team (especially when the difference between success and failure on any given night is such a small one) then it's simply not worth the on-going headache.

P.S. I think there is a reason why Downie has now been traded 4 times in 5 years
- Zogg

Its great to have guy who can walk that line. Down ie cant. He's proven this time and time again. He is a cancer

MDZ is Ehrhoff
- Bieksa#3

Disagree big time.

I see what you're saying but in that event you would need to have another deal in place where one of our existing D gets shipped out in order for MDZ to make any sense. Not sure if Gillis has been speaking with anyone on waiving their NTC. I'm also guessing Sather would be seeking more than Higgins or Hansen for MDZ (though I could be wrong).

The NYR fans are saying Torts was not a big MDZ and used to bench him regularly. If NYR were looking for someone like Burrows that's too much already.
- AlexF

MDZ had some awful good numbers for a d man under 23 while with torts. Find me 3 ranger fans who say anything good about torts. Its comical

Disagree big time.
- Nucker101

Show me Ehrhoffs numbers from 18-23 and now MDZs. To even consider Ehrhoff or MDZ long term is laughable

Show me Ehrhoffs numbers from 18-23 and now MDZs. To even consider Ehrhoff or MDZ long term is laughable
- Bieksa#3

I never watched Ehrhoff at the age, but by number scouting(basic and advanced), Ehrhoff was better at at a younger age as well and right now it's not even close.

I never watched Ehrhoff at the age, but by number scouting(basic and advanced), Ehrhoff was better at at a younger age as well and right now it's not even close.
- Nucker101

Post the numbers

I never watched Ehrhoff at the age, but by number scouting(basic and advanced), Ehrhoff was better at at a younger age as well and right now it's not even close.
- Nucker101

That's because Ehrhoff didn't break until the league until he was older. He's a better player now, but to say he was better younger I believe is inaccurate. If scouts were so much higher on Ehrhoff back then why did he drop to the 4th round?

That's because Ehrhoff didn't break until the league until he was older. He's a better player now, but to say he was better younger I believe is inaccurate. If scouts were so much higher on Ehrhoff back then why did he drop to the 4th round?
- golfingsince

289 points for Ehrhoff. 12 by the time he was 24

113 points for DelZotto. 110 before turning 23

So How was Ehrhoff better on basic stats at a young age Nucker

289 points for Ehrhoff. 12 by the time he was 24

113 points for DelZotto. 110 before turning 23

So How was Ehrhoff better on basic stats at a young age Nucker
- Bieksa#3

How much is MDZ gonna get this summer?

Its great to have guy who can walk that line. Down ie cant. He's proven this time and time again. He is a cancer
- Bieksa#3

Agreed. There are very few players that are able to walk that line and Downie has demonstrated on many occasions that he is unable to do so (which is actually too bad, because he does have a decent skill-set to go along with his physicality)

Trade between Rocky and Yeti is unfair. I'm not liking Yeti's moves.

Veto!

Disagree big time.
- Nucker101

x2

How much is MDZ gonna get this summer?
- golfingsince

Gonna say around 4 mil. Carlson, Voynov, Josi. Etc

I see what you're saying but in that event you would need to have another deal in place where one of our existing D gets shipped out in order for MDZ to make any sense. Not sure if Gillis has been speaking with anyone on waiving their NTC. I'm also guessing Sather would be seeking more than Higgins or Hansen for MDZ (though I could be wrong).

The NYR fans are saying Torts was not a big MDZ and used to bench him regularly. If NYR were looking for someone like Burrows that's too much already.
- AlexF

Very seldom fo these rumours turn out so I doubt it too. When Hansen is ready we do have one extra forward and that is not including Weise or Booth

Trade between Rocky and Yeti is unfair. I'm not liking Yeti's moves.

Veto!
- dshiddy

Quit your whining

289 points for Ehrhoff. 12 by the time he was 24

113 points for DelZotto. 110 before turning 23

So How was Ehrhoff better on basic stats at a young age Nucker
- Bieksa#3

If player development were only so linear, far less GMs would end up with egg on their face. Saying MDZ was better at a comparable younger age than Ehrhoff doesn't mean he'll end up becoming greater or even the same caliber player than Ehrhoff.

Ehrhoff > MDZ. What happens in the future is anyone's guess.

Very seldom fo these rumours turn out so I doubt it too. When Hansen is ready we do have one extra forward and that is not including Weise or Booth
- VANTEL

Agreed. You'll always need spares as it seems virtually impossible these days that any team can stay healthy for long, but we definitely should be angling for upgrades, as has been well discussed here.

If player development were only so linear, far less GMs would end up with egg on their face. Saying MDZ was better than a comparible younger age than Ehrhoff doesn't mean he'll end up becoming more or even the same caliber player than Ehrhoff.

Ehrhoff > MDZ. What happens in the future is anyone's guess.
- AlexF

Nucker said Ehrhoff was better at a younger age in basic stats and that it wasn't even close. Clearly he's full of it. If he thinks that MDZ will never be the player Ehrhoff currently is then that's a fair opinion. But no need to make Hoff seem better then he is

Trade between Rocky and Yeti is unfair. I'm not liking Yeti's moves.

Veto!
- dshiddy

That was a brilliant trade for him. I can't believe some pussies would veto the deal.

MDZ had some awful good numbers for a d man under 23 while with torts. Find me 3 ranger fans who say anything good about torts. Its comical
- Bieksa#3

There's lots of ranger fans that were pissed that torts was fired . Their blogger was one of them . I didn't care for him but even care less for AV . I do like the style they are TRYING to play . They just don't have the higher end talent to play it . But the last six or so games they look alot better . Good thing they are in a poop division

If player development were only so linear, far less GMs would end up with egg on their face. Saying MDZ was better at a comparable younger age than Ehrhoff doesn't mean he'll end up becoming greater or even the same caliber player than Ehrhoff.

Ehrhoff > MDZ. What happens in the future is anyone's guess.
- AlexF

This. The site I was using didn't show age if the players, didn't realize the difference between the two's age was so big when they started. I still stand by my original statement though and completely agree with Alex.

This. The site I was using didn't show age if the players, didn't realize the difference between the two's age was so big when they started. I still stand by my original statement though and completely agree with Alex.
- Nucker101

All of your original statement or just a part of it?