So Downie throws a hit (there's hitting in hockey)... Landeskog responds like a typical Swedish b!tch & retaliates with a dirty slewfoot instead of confronting him face to face or dropping the gloves... Downie drills him straight up later on in retaliation for the dirty trip... and Downie's the bad guy?

It's well known that Downie's a kunt, but IMO Landeskog's reaction to the hit was the problem in this instance. You're the captain... Dirty stickwork retaliation should never happen. Got a problem? Drop your gloves pu$$y.

I thought Landeskog was better than this.
- DrChristianTroy

Yeah, what the Doctor said!

(You are a real doctor right? (Does this look normal ala Deuce Bigalow))

I'm not even sure MDZ makes our top 6. Wasn't he chronically benched by Torts last season?

Poor rumor on a site built on poor rumors.
- AlexF

If it were to be true that would give you Edler Garrison Hamhuis and MDZ down the left side. His cap hit is 2.55 according to cap geek. That allows you to make a bigger move with a top 6 forward like Edler for Voracek type deal

Hamhuis Garrison MDZ would still leave you with a solid left side.


We do need to make room for forwards. Hansen should be back soon and I think him or Higgins are in the same salary range as MDZ . Archibald and Kassian are starting to look good as a third line.

I dunno about you, but I am a bit confused by the explanation in the article linked on how it all played out. Who hit who first with a dirty hit, who retaliated first. I didn't like that so I am going to trip or pitchfork you.
Maybe Downie has more of a history with the edgy approach and being edgy with team mates is not desired, but that is what he brings. Gabe given a pass for the eye for an eye approach because he is young and the captain?

Should we wait for an Alberts trade because he tried to cheap shot or took a run at one of the rooks in camp?
- hillbillydeluxe

If you're going to try and run your captain and best player in a meaningless scrimmage then you're not going to be very well liked in the dressing room. That being said, even though Downie is clearly a d-bag, you have to answer the bell and drop the gloves, the Avs knew what they were getting in Downie so this shouldn't be a surprise.

If you're going to try and run your captain and best player in a meaningless scrimmage then you're not going to be very well liked in the dressing room. That being said, even though Downie is clearly a d-bag, you have to answer the bell and drop the gloves, the Avs knew what they were getting in Downie so this shouldn't be a surprise.
- DariusKnight

Just saying the article is not clear on who cheap shotted who first. I agree that team mates shouldn't be intentionally trying to injure each other in practice.

And if there was ongoing conflict between two players and one had to go, the Avs made the right decision.
But if they knew they were going to trade Downie since camp and that is all they got... Is MG the GM there too?

Damn cap, stuck with the hit whether he is on the farm or with the team- a million dollar or less minor league prospect can produce similar production.

What is better for team chemistry and future success (this season of course), Booth in the lineup or not?

edit: I am with Beatle John on the team being just as good without Booth in the lineup. Last year there was a stretch where he was always going to the net, I liked, but without any results. Has he ever been a game changer or scored a gwg? I can't remember. But still feel a bit sorry for him with his injuries and bad luck. He isn't earning his contract and hasn't shown he consistently belongs in the top6.
- hillbillydeluxe

Don't feel bad for him, he has Jesus on his side.

Don't feel bad for him, he has Jesus on his side.
- Marwood

Don't feel bad for him, he has Jesus on his side.
- Marwood

If Jesus is with you, how can anyone be against you?

So Downie throws a hit (there's hitting in hockey)... Landeskog responds like a typical Swedish b!tch & retaliates with a dirty slewfoot instead of confronting him face to face or dropping the gloves... Downie drills him straight up later on in retaliation for the dirty trip... and Downie's the bad guy?

It's well known that Downie's a kunt, but IMO Landeskog's reaction to the hit was the problem in this instance. You're the captain... Dirty stickwork retaliation should never happen. Got a problem? Drop your gloves pu$$y.

I thought Landeskog was better than this.
- DrChristianTroy

Exactly how I see it. if Roy/Sakic are smart there will be a capt change in Col. in the next year. Never saw that from Sakic as a capt, if Sakic is still the leader he was as a capt then the GM will correct this.

If Jesus is with you, how can anyone be against you?
- LeftCoaster

Does that mean that Torts is the ant-christ or just lost faith.

kinda Surprising with that long to trade him ... all they could get was Talbot?
- SMP8719

Wow --- Downie is massive douche.

Don't feel bad for him, he has Jesus on his side.
- Marwood

Ga Whaa?

Where did that come from!

Wow --- Downie is massive douche.
- Beatle_john

But sometimes as massive douche can help.

If you're going to try and run your captain and best player in a meaningless scrimmage then you're not going to be very well liked in the dressing room. That being said, even though Downie is clearly a d-bag, you have to answer the bell and drop the gloves, the Avs knew what they were getting in Downie so this shouldn't be a surprise.
- DariusKnight

I think if anyone needs to be blamed it's the Avs - the management, coaching staff etc. It's not like Downie didn't have a long list of behavioural issues prior to this particular incident. Yes, he can be an asset (most of the time) but his instability is just not worth the headache over the long haul. Let another team deal with him.

And for the record, I do NOT want my captain (I don't care who it is) fighting in some stupid meaningless scrimmage i.e Landeskog breaks his hand and is out for 6 weeks - would that be worth it? just to show he's a 'man' by throwing down his gloves in a completely mindless situation?

But sometimes as massive douche can help.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Great teams need douches & the leadership/maturity necessary to coexist with them.

Guess we will see
- Redmile247

He's never wrong. I just bet the over in this game due to his prediction. I strongly suggest everyone here does the same.

Great teams need douches & the leadership/maturity necessary to coexist with them.
- DrChristianTroy

Great teams need douches & the leadership/maturity necessary to coexist with them.
- DrChristianTroy

would have loved to see Downey as a Bruin do that against Chara.

He's never wrong. I just et the over in this game due to his prediction. I strongly suggest everyone here does the same.
- Nucker101

Please stop being rational.

- Nucker101

douche does leave that kind of taste in your mouth.

So Downie throws a hit (there's hitting in hockey)... Landeskog responds like a typical Swedish b!tch & retaliates with a dirty slewfoot instead of confronting him face to face or dropping the gloves... Downie drills him straight up later on in retaliation for the dirty trip... and Downie's the bad guy?

It's well known that Downie's a kunt, but IMO Landeskog's reaction to the hit was the problem in this instance. You're the captain... Dirty stickwork retaliation should never happen. Got a problem? Drop your gloves pu$$y.

I thought Landeskog was better than this.
- DrChristianTroy

I'd tend to agree. Landeskog is too young to be a captain and, to be blunt, not a good enough player or leader at this point in his career to carry the C.

This move seems all about protecting Landeskog's importance within the team, but that's pretty weak when management has to protect the fall out from your slew-footing antics.

If you can't stand up for yourself and command respect in the locker room you're not a captain.

Please stop being rational.
- AdamFrench

Speaking of rational, I expect a hatty and about 10 hits from Hanzal for me in the pool tonight. I never realized how many hits he gets per game.

douche does leave that kind of taste in your mouth.
- A_SteamingLombardi

Goodness!

If it were to be true that would give you Edler Garrison Hamhuis and MDZ down the left side. His cap hit is 2.55 according to cap geek. That allows you to make a bigger move with a top 6 forward like Edler for Voracek type deal

Hamhuis Garrison MDZ would still leave you with a solid left side.

We do need to make room for forwards. Hansen should be back soon and I think him or Higgins are in the same salary range as MDZ . Archibald and Kassian are starting to look good as a third line.
- VANTEL

I see what you're saying but in that event you would need to have another deal in place where one of our existing D gets shipped out in order for MDZ to make any sense. Not sure if Gillis has been speaking with anyone on waiving their NTC. I'm also guessing Sather would be seeking more than Higgins or Hansen for MDZ (though I could be wrong).

The NYR fans are saying Torts was not a big MDZ and used to bench him regularly. If NYR were looking for someone like Burrows that's too much already.

I see what you're saying but in that event you would need to have another deal in place where one of our existing D gets shipped out in order for MDZ to make any sense. Not sure if Gillis has been speaking with anyone on waiving their NTC. I'm also guessing Sather would be seeking more than Higgins or Hansen for MDZ (though I could be wrong).

The NYR fans are saying Torts was not a big MDZ and used to bench him regularly. If NYR were looking for someone like Burrows that's too much already.
- AlexF

Agree with this, I'd definitely trade Edler for Voracek and even add in a pick or prospect to make that happen, but I'd want a better d-man in return if I'm trading a player like Hansen or Burrows. Sounds like Del Zotto is more of a third pairing PP specialist type to me, he's no Ehrhoff. I know he's still young, but he isn't exactly progressing from what I've been reading and from what his puck possession stats show.

Great teams need douches & the leadership/maturity necessary to coexist with them.
- DrChristianTroy

I agree with the general sentiment, Herr Doctor, but I nonetheless think there are limits, and a point where you are looking at diminishing returns. For example, as much as I hate Marchand, he's still a valuable asset (uggg, did I really just say that? ) in terms of what he brings (both skill and agitation wise).

The key difference between Marchand (and similar players like him) and Downie, though, is that the former does not have the 'snap' factor that Downie has. If you can't trust your player to control himself and know that at any time he can potentially have a very adverse impact on your team (especially when the difference between success and failure on any given night is such a small one) then it's simply not worth the on-going headache.

P.S. I think there is a reason why Downie has now been traded 4 times in 5 years