Kesler is better than either, but playing out of position right now. Like I said, you have better wingers and that is all. As a position, I'll take Henrik, Kesler, Santorelli, and Richardson any day over your 4.
- golfingsince

Kesler isn't a centre right now... he is a winger..... your 2nd best winger from the past 5 years is now playing on Toronto's 3rd line for 1 million dollars (does his best Dr. Evil impression)

Not to mention that the depth is useless when guys like Bolland and Lupul are constantly injured.
- kneughter

They do have better wingers though. Daniel is top line in TO, but that's it. Burrows would be a great 3rd liner there.

Our bottom 6 winger pool is deep.

Still 7-3-1 vs east......
- kneughter

Enjoy it while it lasts only 2 wins against the West going to be tough to make the playoffs if the only teams you can beat in the west are Edmonton and Calgary....

Kesler isn't a centre right now... he is a winger..... your 2nd best winger from the past 5 years is now playing on Toronto's 3rd line for 1 million dollars (does his best Dr. Evil impression)
- jribout

Well Bozak and Bolland aren't centers now, they're injured. I'll take Henrik, Santorelli and Richardson over Kadri, JM and whatever AHL'ers fill the spot.

Also, careful for what your expectations out of Raymond are.....it's now November and he gets progressively worse every month. Also, Burrows has ALWAYS been better.

Enjoy it while it lasts only 2 wins against the West going to be tough to make the playoffs if the only teams you can beat in the west are Edmonton and Calgary....
- jribout

Yeah, we also beat STL but thanks for playing. We did lose to SJ twice though, our only two losses against the west.

Time to go get Brad Boyes from the Panthers.....

Kesler isn't a centre right now... he is a winger..... your 2nd best winger from the past 5 years is now playing on Toronto's 3rd line for 1 million dollars (does his best Dr. Evil impression)
- jribout

Uh what? If you mean natural winger

Burrows
Samuelson
Higgins
Hansen

I take all of them over Raymond. But agree that is great value for him.

Demitra and sundin, although not natural wingers did play wing during their time here. Also much better than Raymond. You are over valuing the poop out of MR.

Well Bozak and Bolland aren't centers now, they're injured. I'll take Henrik, Santorelli and Richardson over Kadri, JM and whatever AHL'ers fill the spot.

Also, careful for what your expectations out of Raymond are.....it's now November and he gets progressively worse every month. Also, Burrows has ALWAYS been better.
- golfingsince

Read the fine print son... I said over the past 5 years.... so Burrows was better..... Kesler was center over the past 5 years... but a winger at this moment.... Mason is stil good value even at his worst for 1 million.....

Uh what? If you mean natural winger

Burrows
Samuelson
Higgins
Hansen

I take all of them over Raymond. But agree that is great value for him.

Demitra and sundin, although not natural wingers did play wing during their time here. Also much better than Raymond. You are over valuing the poop out of MR.
- kneughter

Nope just not valuing those guys over the last 5 years.. athough Higgins looked good tonight...... Mason isn't even the best winger on or third line......

Nope just not valuing those guys over the last 5 years.. athough Higgins looked good tonight...... Mason isn't even the best winger on or third line......
- jribout

Nor ours, that's why he wasn't offered a contract......

Nope just not valuing those guys over the last 5 years.. athough Higgins looked good tonight...... Mason isn't even the best winger on or third line......
- jribout

I like Raymond. That's a good deal for the leafs, but he is as streaky as they come.

He's averaging the 4th most minutes on the team, so apparently he is getting used differently.

I like Raymond. That's a good deal for the leafs, but he is as streaky as they come.

He's averaging the 4th most minutes on the team, so apparently he is getting used differently.
- kneughter

yes extended PP time with Clarkson out and extended PK time with Kulemin out.... and may as well ride the hot hand

Nope just not valuing those guys over the last 5 years.. athough Higgins looked good tonight...... Mason isn't even the best winger on or third line......
- jribout

Raymond is not very good at hockey... He's soft and falls down all the time.

RIP LEAFS SEASON, no bolland

Nope just not valuing those guys over the last 5 years.. athough Higgins looked good tonight...... Mason isn't even the best winger on or third line......
- jribout

he has 11 pts in 15 games relax, hes doing good

Raymond is not very good at hockey... He's soft and falls down all the time.
- Scooby_Doo

So does Kesler but I would take him in a heartbeat

Raymond is not very good at hockey... He's soft and falls down all the time.
- Scooby_Doo

He looked an awful lot like the Raymond i've watched for 400+ games tonight. Skates fast, plays the perimeter, held off the scoresheet.

he has 11 pts in 15 games relax, hes doing good
- Mapleleafs_91

I am not ripping the guy and think it is a good signing... unlike some I am not going to get super excited over 15 games......

So does Kesler but I would take him in a heartbeat
- jribout

You're seriously going to compare Kesler with Raymond?

He looked an awful lot like the Raymond i've watched for 400+ games tonight. Skates fast, plays the perimeter, held off the scoresheet.
- golfingsince

Don't forget killed a lot of penalty minutes....

He looked an awful lot like the Raymond i've watched for 400+ games tonight. Skates fast, plays the perimeter, held off the scoresheet.
- golfingsince

Exactly. Leafs fans aren't listening to us, but they will be calling him out soon enough.

he has 11 pts in 15 games relax, hes doing good
- Mapleleafs_91

Honestly, he started fast last year too. When the games get tighter he becomes less noticeable. I've seen it too many times.

Time to go get Brad Boyes from the Panthers.....
- jribout

Uhhh why?

You're seriously going to compare Kesler with Raymond?
- golfingsince

Again read the whole print son.... I did not bold the is a bad hockey player part..... but for 1 fifth of the salary I would take his production over Kesler's... Oh wait it has only been 15 games so this is a stupid argument unless your comparing Santorelli and Richardson to Bolland and Bozak

We seriously need to do something about the shot totals....47 shots...really? Ridiculous.