So true.
- 1979AD

As for the sedin deal, great players and that is the MARKET today - not what posters on HB think they are 'worth'. Kessel isn't 'worth' $8 mil was the joke, he's 25 years old, look at his production. If he hit the open market after the year he is having this year and last year's playoffs, many GMs would prove people wrong that he isn't worth $8 mil. He will be around the sedins age when his current deal expires.

Wow 2 Cream Puff sisters for $14 mill a year .....no cup for you Canucks!!
- CarlitoBrigante

Agree completely.

Agree completely.
- Pairo11

How's cody?

Agree completely.
- Pairo11

It's funny how most of the people who have this opinion are out East or are Western rivals(Hawks, Flames, etc.)...........



Take them off of the Canucks rosters and onto the Sabres roster at the start of this season and I'd bet that the Sabres have more points than the Canucks right now(likely would be bottom feeders) and are probably actually in the playoff mix.

Agree completely.
- Pairo11

im no van fan at all, but something has to be said that they never miss games. I would love to see it blow up in the canucks faces, but they are different (they are soft, like kessel) where at an older age they can play longer, like a datsyuk. Different than say an Iginla.

I wouldn't have given them $7 per and surprised they got that much, but look at their #s this year. Have to be able to admit when we are wrong instead of just blindly hating.

im no van fan at all, but something has to be said that they never miss games. I would love to see it blow up in the canucks faces, but they are different (they are soft, like kessel) where at an older age they can play longer, like a datsyuk. Different than say an Iginla.

I wouldn't have given them $7 per and surprised they got that much, but look at their #s this year. Have to be able to admit when we are wrong instead of just blindly hating.
- clark_griswold

... I wouldn't have given them $7 per and surprised they got that much, but look at their #s this year ...
- clark_griswold

Just curious ... what would you have given them and based on who as a comparable?

It's funny how most of the people who have this opinion are out East or are Western rivals(Hawks, Flames, etc.)...........



Take them off of the Canucks rosters and onto the Sabres roster at the start of this season and I'd bet that the Sabres have more points than the Canucks right now and are probably actually in the playoff mix.
- Nucker101

This.

Put the Sedins off our roster and on any other team in the league and they are garunteed playoff teams.

Especially considering how out of mind they've been playing thus far this season.

- pker2theend

This.

Put the Sedins off our roster and on any other team in the league and they are garunteed playoff teams.

Especially considering how out of mind they've been playing thus far this season.
- vancity787

I'm not so sure about Buffalo...

Just curious ... what would you have given them and based on who as a comparable?
- whales

tough call. You have to sign them, however, their best years are behind them (even if they have great years to come). Main thing for me is age, offensive players decline as they get older, defensive defenseman tend to improve into their 30s. I would have gone $5 mil a year (on a 4 year; i have no problem at $7 but i would have gone shorter), but again, my opinion means nothing, it's the market that dictates it. Just saying, look at a 25 year old kessel getting $8, and the sedins should get less simply based on age.

The main reason UFAs get so much, is you give up nothing to get them. People always look past the assets you'd have to give up to get these UFAs.

tough call. You have to sign them, however, their best years are behind them (even if they have great years to come). Main thing for me is age, offensive players decline as they get older, defensive defenseman tend to improve into their 30s. I would have gone $5 mil a year (on a 4 year; i have no problem at $7 but i would have gone shorter), but again, my opinion means nothing, it's the market that dictates it. Just saying, look at a 25 year old kessel getting $8, and the sedins should get less simply based on age.

The main reason UFAs get so much, is you give up nothing to get them. People always look past the assets you'd have to give up to get these UFAs.
- clark_griswold

There's really no point in saying what we would have given them. I would have given them a case of beer, who cares? As you said, the market dictates what they get paid and as such they signed for below market value which makes it a good deal.

How's cody?
- pker2theend

I wonder if his dad has already demanded a trade.

There's really no point in saying what we would have given them. I would have given them a case of beer, who cares? As you said, the market dictates what they get paid and as such they signed for below market value which makes it a good deal.
- hankthetank

i don't know if it's below market. They are elite but difference is crosby, stamkos, etc are IN their prime, these guys are past it. That's all im saying.

I agree, we have no idea what the market dictatates, that's why i laugh at people on here. I just figured they would have done the Joe Sakic like high salary at one year deal towards the end. I mean they aren't leaving, but the Sakic model doesn't hand cuff the team either.

i don't know if it's below market. They are elite but difference is crosby, stamkos, etc are IN their prime, these guys are past it. That's all im saying.

I agree, we have no idea what the market dictatates, that's why i laugh at people on here. I just figured they would have done the Joe Sakic like high salary at one year deal towards the end. I mean they aren't leaving, but the Sakic model doesn't hand cuff the team either.
- clark_griswold

It's safe to assume that they could have got a lot more on the open market. Especially with the cap going up. Ergo, it's a good deal for the Canucks.

I wonder if his dad has already demanded a trade.
- Scooby_Doo

Next year.

It's safe to assume that they could have got a lot more on the open market. Especially with the cap going up. Ergo, it's a good deal for the Canucks.
- hankthetank

Agreed, especially since again no assets given up. I will say though, makes the kessel signing look good. Not taking shots at you guys, but based on age

Agreed, especially since again no assets given up. I will say though, makes the kessel signing look good. Not taking shots at you guys, but based on age
- clark_griswold

Assuming Kessel keeps improving. Looks like he's an 80-90 point guy a season. Similar to the Sedins. Would be interesting to see what Kessel would have got on the open market. Seems to have a bit of a stigma attached to him.

Over the past 4 years Hank is #2 in points in the league, Danny is #5. When you look around the league at what PPG players are getting then I think this deal is great, especially since they can't easily be replaced on the open market and are great character guys.

Assuming Kessel keeps improving. Looks like he's an 80-90 point guy a season. Similar to the Sedins. Would be interesting to see what Kessel would have got on the open market. Seems to have a bit of a stigma attached to him.
- hankthetank

I'll say this about phil. He does have character. Battling cancer humbled him, and taking all the crap he did when he first got here did as well. I notice no one laughs at the trade anymore. Hes not the best player by any means, but hes unique in that he doesn't have to work that hard for his points. Hes not like nash who battles and scraps for points. You can smother kessel all game and all he needs is one second free to shoot and makes you pay.

I think at his age (and he will improve from a team player concept) there aren't too many wingers id take over him. Lots of centers, but how many wingers just entering their prime. Hes also shown he can produce pretty much on his own and now look at him with a good cast around him. Safe to say AFTER this year (not when he signed earlier this season) hed get a monster deal. I think the stigma is gone with phil,and really was it evet deserved looking back?

I'll say this about phil. He does have character. Battling cancer humbled him, and taking all the crap he did when he first got here did as well. I notice no one laughs at the trade anymore. Hes not the best player by any means, but hes unique in that he doesn't have to work that hard for his points. Hes not like nash who battles and scraps for points. You can smother kessel all game and all he needs is one second free to shoot and makes you pay.

I think at his age (and he will improve from a team player concept) there aren't too many wingers id take over him. Lots of centers, but how many wingers just entering their prime. Hes also shown he can produce pretty much on his own and now look at him with a good cast around him. Safe to say AFTER this year (not when he signed earlier this season) hed get a monster deal. I think the stigma is gone with phil,and really was it evet deserved looking back?
- clark_griswold

I would love to have Phil on the Blues. Him or any of the other top 5 picks over Johnson.



At least we were able to get rid of Johnson and still get good value for him.

i don't know if it's below market. They are elite but difference is crosby, stamkos, etc are IN their prime, these guys are past it. That's all im saying.

I agree, we have no idea what the market dictatates, that's why i laugh at people on here. I just figured they would have done the Joe Sakic like high salary at one year deal towards the end. I mean they aren't leaving, but the Sakic model doesn't hand cuff the team either.
- clark_griswold

They certainly don't appear to be playing like they are past their prime. They will probably taper off in year 4, but they have been point-per-game players or better consistently for the past 4 or 5 years. Not over-powering like OV or Sid, not electrifying personalities, but consistent. The Canucks problem has always been toughness and depth on 3rd & 4th lines. In the cup run, they finally had team toughness for once. I still think that if Manny Malhotra hadn't taken a puck in the eye and had been with the team all playoffs long that we would have won the cup.

Comparable contracts for Hart/Art Ross winners since the 2nd most recent (lol) lockout:

Name - Age - Contract and Cap Hit - Age at Expiry - Stanley Cups

Evgeni Malkin - 27 - this year 8.7M, next year start of 8 years, 9.5M - 36 - 1
Sidney Crosby - 26 - 12 more years, 8.7M - 38 - 1
Corey Perry - 28 - 8 more years, 8.625M - 36 - 1
Alex Ovechkin - 28 - 8 more years, 9.538 - 36 - 0
Joe Thornton - 34 - Last year, 7M - 34 - 0
Martin St. Louis - 38 - 2 more years, 5.625M - 39 - 1
H & D Sedin - 33, Last year, 6.1M, next year start of 4 years, 7M - 37 - 0

We'll be paying 14M for around 170 points per season. For roughly the same amount, Pittsburgh will pay 18.2M. We're committed to 4 seasons, they're committed to 9. I don't think you can call this a bad deal.

coupleahomo's
- The-O-G

Classy.

They certainly don't appear to be playing like they are past their prime. They will probably taper off in year 4, but they have been point-per-game players or better consistently for the past 4 or 5 years. Not over-powering like OV or Sid, not electrifying personalities, but consistent. The Canucks problem has always been toughness and depth on 3rd & 4th lines. In the cup run, they finally had team toughness for once. I still think that if Manny Malhotra hadn't taken a puck in the eye and had been with the team all playoffs long that we would have won the cup.

Comparable contracts for Hart/Art Ross winners since the 2nd most recent (lol) lockout:

Name - Age - Contract and Cap Hit - Age at Expiry - Stanley Cups

Evgeni Malkin - 27 - this year 8.7M, next year start of 8 years, 9.5M - 36 - 1
Sidney Crosby - 26 - 12 more years, 8.7M - 38 - 1
Corey Perry - 28 - 8 more years, 8.625M - 36 - 1
Alex Ovechkin - 28 - 8 more years, 9.538 - 36 - 0
Joe Thornton - 34 - Last year, 7M - 34 - 0
Martin St. Louis - 38 - 2 more years, 5.625M - 39 - 1
H & D Sedin - 33, Last year, 6.1M, next year start of 4 years, 7M - 37 - 0

We'll be paying 14M for around 170 points per season. For roughly the same amount, Pittsburgh will pay 18.2M. We're committed to 4 seasons, they're committed to 9. I don't think you can call this a bad deal.
- captain_useless

Never called it a bad deal. Just thought that the sakic model would be better in cases where you know that the player is staying. But i guess alfie proved me wrong bolting. Again i think its fair at the end of the day. I can admit when i mis judge things.