Absolute comedy. Lets go man. nice sample size and great analysis of the quality of shots please...All on the Goalie....My gosh...
- TrueGrit

Prove the quality of shots. In multiple posts I've said the SV% is going up because its unsustainably low, but that doesn't mean its not bad. It is bad, and I'd bet my bottom dollar you can't prove they are giving up higher quality shots. You think the Hawk PK is the worst since the first lockout, and the team SV% 10% lower than any since then is on the players? The same players who are top 10 at preventing shots on the PK? You come on

70% team SV%. That's on the goalie. They are allowing less shots on the PK than last year, the SV% is 25% lower. Its not likely to continue like that, but as of right now its the goalies fault. Every goalie in the league gets unstoppable shots, and as every pessimist on this board loves pointing out, its not like the Hawks have had murderers row to start the season. A goalie's job is to stop shots, and Crawford's been average at it so far, great 5v5, bad on the PK.
- rollpards19

I'd venture a guess you're very wrong here.

1. Scheme sucks -- and did before last yr when it was changed to be aggressive, challenging the shooters and getting into the lanes. This BS scheme they have reverted back to this yr blows and the SV% won't increase if God himself was in net for us.

2. Number of shots is down . . . because we lose the draw and can't clear and then proceed to retreat back into a tiny box. Essentially, all the defenders are in collapsed in on the goalie. So no reason to hurry taking a shot or to take many shots. Instead, since you are not being challenged, throw the puck around to get the shot with the best look and you are golden. THIS is what is and has been happening this yr.

3. Even with face-off losses, guys on the wing MUST understand what their job is once the puck is dropped. Don't know how many times I have seen the F not taking the draw seemingly not know what to do or where to go upon us losing possession.

A better PK begins with a better scheme. If the thinking is because you have lost your bulldog (Fro) and can no longer pressure, that's simply nuts. No reason Saad and a few others cannot be out on PK and pressure every bit as well. It's all about the WANT and DESIRE to go after the puck, challenge and force quicker passes or shots, force errors.

Collapsing on your goalie is a recipe (as proven thus far this yr) for disaster.

I would think a guy who hasn't played since last season is more of risk than Bulin....has he been playing anywhere?
- UnnamedSource

Get all the Capital games out here. You don't want him.

Absolute comedy. Lets go man. nice sample size and great analysis of the quality of shots please...All on the Goalie....My gosh...
- TrueGrit

Comedy? Whether or not you like the sample, the numbers are what they are. Our defense has looked bad 2 or 3 games out of the 12.....the goaltending needs to improve. CC looked good last game but still not where he needs to be.

I'd venture a guess you're very wrong here.

1. Scheme sucks -- and did before last yr when it was changed to be aggressive, challenging the shooters and getting into the lanes. This BS scheme they have reverted back to this yr blows and the SV% won't increase if God himself was in net for us.

2. Number of shots is down . . . because we lose the draw and can't clear and then proceed to retreat back into a tiny box. Essentially, all the defenders are in collapsed in on the goalie. So no reason to hurry taking a shot or to take many shots. Instead, since you are not being challenged, throw the puck around to get the shot with the best look and you are golden. THIS is what is and has been happening this yr.

3. Even with face-off losses, guys on the wing MUST understand what their job is once the puck is dropped. Don't know how many times I have seen the F not taking the draw seemingly not know what to do or where to go upon us losing possession.

A better PK begins with a better scheme. If the thinking is because you have lost your bulldog (Fro) and can no longer pressure, that's simply nuts. No reason Saad and a few others cannot be out on PK and pressure every bit as well. It's all about the WANT and DESIRE to go after the puck, challenge and force quicker passes or shots, force errors.

Collapsing on your goalie is a recipe (as proven thus far this yr) for disaster.
- savvyone-1

In 2011-2012 they allowed the most shots/60 on the PK, this year they are the 9th best, so you're way off on that one. Second, no team in history has had a SV% this bad, and neither will the Hawks, but as of now the goalies aren't doing a good enough job at stopping pucks on the PK. If you can prove shot quality (don't try, you can't) then maybe I'd blame it on the PKers, but the saying "your goalie has to be your best penalty killer" has always been true. Crow and Razor were the best in the league last year, Crow and Khabby are the worst (and its not all Bulin, though he doesn't help)

Mark Lazerus ‏@MarkLazerus
Brad Mills day-to-day, lower body. Likely not traveling to Winnipeg. #Blackhawks

In 2011-2012 they allowed the most shots/60 on the PK, this year they are the 9th best, so you're way off on that one. Second, no team in history has had a SV% this bad, and neither will the Hawks, but as of now the goalies aren't doing a good enough job at stopping pucks on the PK. If you can prove shot quality (don't try, you can't) then maybe I'd blame it on the PKers, but the saying "your goalie has to be your best penalty killer" has always been true. Crow and Razor were the best in the league last year, Crow and Khabby are the worst (and its not all Bulin, though he doesn't help)
- rollpards19

Appreciate the stats....the only part I disagree with is the goalie being the best penalty killer. With the system the Hawks have I believe it is more equal parts...unfortunately face off wins and goaltending have been subpar on the PK.

Mark Lazerus ‏@MarkLazerus
Brad Mills day-to-day, lower body. Likely not traveling to Winnipeg. #Blackhawks
- philco28

Jack Bauer out.....he was growing on me.

I'd venture a guess you're very wrong here.

1. Scheme sucks -- and did before last yr when it was changed to be aggressive, challenging the shooters and getting into the lanes. This BS scheme they have reverted back to this yr blows and the SV% won't increase if God himself was in net for us.

2. Number of shots is down . . . because we lose the draw and can't clear and then proceed to retreat back into a tiny box. Essentially, all the defenders are in collapsed in on the goalie. So no reason to hurry taking a shot or to take many shots. Instead, since you are not being challenged, throw the puck around to get the shot with the best look and you are golden. THIS is what is and has been happening this yr.

3. Even with face-off losses, guys on the wing MUST understand what their job is once the puck is dropped. Don't know how many times I have seen the F not taking the draw seemingly not know what to do or where to go upon us losing possession.

A better PK begins with a better scheme. If the thinking is because you have lost your bulldog (Fro) and can no longer pressure, that's simply nuts. No reason Saad and a few others cannot be out on PK and pressure every bit as well. It's all about the WANT and DESIRE to go after the puck, challenge and force quicker passes or shots, force errors.

Collapsing on your goalie is a recipe (as proven thus far this yr) for disaster.
- savvyone-1

Every single word ^ that ^ guy says. You think he might have actually played hockey before??

Steve Downie back to Philly for Max Talbot.

Forget the old washed up guys, A. Raantaa is next in line and he will challenge Crawford one day for that starter job. I have watched him lots and I once predicted great things for S. Bobrovsky and you know how that turned out. Raantaa is very similar and after a year in the AHL he will be NHL bound.
- flyerdude17

I hope you are correct. I do not believe Crawford ever moves into the top echelon of NHL netminders. If I had to bet I would say Raanta one day will be at least as good. Of course the real test would be playoff runs. Getting ahead of things here but Crawford is just Ok, not even sure he would be as good in playoffs again...maybe he would. I would be willing to move Crawford one day and let Ranta give it a go. Especially if Simpson shows he is NHL material. Just not sold on Crawford being able to steal games. And sometimes you need that from your last line of defense.

Steve Downie back to Philly for Max Talbot.
- MartiniMan

Another Francophone back under Roy's umbrella

Jack Bauer out.....he was growing on me.
- UnnamedSource

I really like Mills...hope he's not out long. Kid earned a shot and could be forgotten if this current problem lingers.

Comedy? Whether or not you like the sample, the numbers are what they are. Our defense has looked bad 2 or 3 games out of the 12.....the goaltending needs to improve. CC looked good last game but still not where he needs to be.
- UnnamedSource

LMAO,

CC, 8 out of 11 games 2 goals or less. Above league average.

5 pages of Habi sucks here and 2 bad games and 3 or 4 of the PP goals?

Its turn back the clock day, as its blame CC time again.

And before you go all hyperbolic, all players...all the time need to be better. Cross ice one timers or 35 footers from teh slot, or tips can be a little more of a challenge.

If CC could just get his GAA to zero, maybe or just maybe he might satisfy this sophisticated crowd.

I really like Mills...hope he's not out long. Kid earned a shot and could be forgotten if this current problem lingers.
- philco28

Agreed. Mills seems like that veteran some of us were calling for before training camp broke.

And to think he was right here in Rockford the whole time.

In 2011-2012 they allowed the most shots/60 on the PK, this year they are the 9th best, so you're way off on that one. Second, no team in history has had a SV% this bad, and neither will the Hawks, but as of now the goalies aren't doing a good enough job at stopping pucks on the PK. If you can prove shot quality (don't try, you can't) then maybe I'd blame it on the PKers, but the saying "your goalie has to be your best penalty killer" has always been true. Crow and Razor were the best in the league last year, Crow and Khabby are the worst (and its not all Bulin, though he doesn't help)
- rollpards19

Another good stat would be face off percentage on the PK this year versus last year.

Another Francophone back under Roy's umbrella
- philco28

Well the second thing you say about that trade is....interesting.

Break it down. What you get and do not get from each player. Contracts too. Also why isn't Malkin scoring this season. My gosh I think Crosby and Malkin were held off scoresheet back- to - back games last two gp. Islanders beat Penguins again; may have been Letang first game back and Scuderi was out inj.

Agreed. Mills seems like that veteran some of us were calling for before training camp broke.

And to think he was right here in Rockford the whole time. :lol:
- EKolb13

Was very impressed by him in the Marlies game I saw and said so. Couple days later, he's called up. Quality vet to have around.

Every single word ^ that ^ guy says. You think he might have actually played hockey before??
- Return of the Roar

Thanks ROAR -- unfortunately, we know Rollpards is a young guy with not nearly as much experience and would like us all to think it's simply C2 that sucks.

While I can admit he's not been stellar, the kinds of opportunities the PP's have had against us have been quite good. You don't need a tommy-gun's worth of shots on a PP (especially when those come from outside, are rushed, from bad angles and there is enough room for the goalie to see the shots), all you need is the RIGHT shot, not rushed and with not just the PP unit trying to obscure vision but now 4 PKers backed in on top of the goalie so he can't see.

Only need one good shot in those circumstances. So the red herring here is # of shots and %'s -- cause as Paul Harvey would say, "and the rest of the story . . . "

I hope you are correct. I do not believe Crawford ever moves into the top echelon of NHL netminders. If I had to bet I would say Raanta one day will be at least as good. Of course the real test would be playoff runs. Getting ahead of things here but Crawford is just Ok, not even sure he would be as good in playoffs again...maybe he would. I would be willing to move Crawford one day and let Ranta give it a go. Especially if Simpson shows he is NHL material. Just not sold on Crawford being able to steal games. And sometimes you need that from your last line of defense.
- jhawk59

We're a long way off from having THAT conversation about Simpson.

LMAO,

CC, 8 out of 11 games 2 goals or less. Above league average.

5 pages of Habi sucks here and 2 bad games and 3 or 4 of the PP goals?

Its turn back the clock day, as its blame CC time again.

And before you go all hyperbolic, all players...all the time need to be better. Cross ice one timers or 35 footers from teh slot, or tips can be a little more of a challenge.

If CC could just get his GAA to zero, maybe or just maybe he might satisfy this sophisticated crowd.
- TrueGrit

LMAO

How many shots has he faced in those games? How many games have we heard Foley and Eddie O marvel at the Hawks defense and comment on the lack of shots CC has faced.....then only minutes later the Hawks lose that 2 goal lead and are trying to squeeze out a point...............again alternative universe.

Thanks ROAR -- unfortunately, we know Rollpards is a young guy with not nearly as much experience and would like us all to think it's simply C2 that sucks.

While I can admit he's not been stellar, the kinds of opportunities the PP's have had against us have been quite good. You don't need a tommy-gun's worth of shots on a PP (especially when those come from outside, are rushed, from bad angles and there is enough room for the goalie to see the shots), all you need is the RIGHT shot, not rushed and with not just the PP unit trying to obscure vision but now 4 PKers backed in on top of the goalie so he can't see.

Only need one good shot in those circumstances. So the red herring here is # of shots and %'s -- cause as Paul Harvey would say, "and the rest of the story . . . "
- savvyone-1

You are very welcome. In spite of living in an alternate universe, I think you, TG and I all feel like it's the right universe.

Prove the quality of shots. In multiple posts I've said the SV% is going up because its unsustainably low, but that doesn't mean its not bad. It is bad, and I'd bet my bottom dollar you can't prove they are giving up higher quality shots. You think the Hawk PK is the worst since the first lockout, and the team SV% 10% lower than any since then is on the players? The same players who are top 10 at preventing shots on the PK? You come on
- rollpards19

Its hard to prove with numbers, but video reviews would probably be useful. Now I haven't seen every game this year, but in the ones I have seen the PP goals have been off screens, tips, and lucky bounces. Opposing D-men have been getting wide open shots at the point and the shots haven't been blocked. Thats a huge issue for our PK. Besides, it doesn't even make sense to say that the goalie plays worse on the PK. He plays the same either way its just that he's getting hung out to dry more on the PK.

Thanks ROAR -- unfortunately, we know Rollpards is a young guy with not nearly as much experience and would like us all to think it's simply C2 that sucks.

While I can admit he's not been stellar, the kinds of opportunities the PP's have had against us have been quite good. You don't need a tommy-gun's worth of shots on a PP (especially when those come from outside, are rushed, from bad angles and there is enough room for the goalie to see the shots), all you need is the RIGHT shot, not rushed and with not just the PP unit trying to obscure vision but now 4 PKers backed in on top of the goalie so he can't see.

Only need one good shot in those circumstances. So the red herring here is # of shots and %'s -- cause as Paul Harvey would say, "and the rest of the story . . . "
- savvyone-1

Yes Rollpards is young but the comment about it equating to lack of experience is ridiculous.....you seem to have all this hockey knowledge yet you USED to be part of the tin foil hat crowd regarding Q.....your years of experience failed you in that area....

Was very impressed by him in the Marlies game I saw and said so. Couple days later, he's called up. Quality vet to have around.
- philco28

At least in Rockford, and so far he seems to be making a case for himself in Chicago.

At this time last season, he was slumming it in the ECHL. He was brought into Rockford after the lockout ended and provided valuable play and leadership to that team, which is why he got another contract to stick around. I don't think it was the organization's intention to have him be much more than a role model for the puppies in Rockford. In fact, if he hadn't have gotten a call-up, I'm almost sure he'd be wearing a "C" on his sweater in Rockford by now.