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SnapitUpstairs
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: CHICAGO, IL
Joined: 02.03.2012

Oct 31 @ 8:33 PM ET
Unlike baseball, I am not sure that any metrics can take into account the guy in the middle of the action. The goalie. A hot goalie negates a lot of those stats. Though , I am sure teams use them to self scout.
- Elbows15


>Vastly different game, no doubt
>Requires vastly different metrics that are still in the infancy stages compared to baseball which is driven by individual actions
>There are ways to evaluate players individual strengths and weaknesses that go beyond the eye test (but support it)
>Not talking about crunching the numbers given by the NHL -- talking about focusing on very specific ways to evaluate a player
>NHL teams are already doing this
>To me, there is still a bit too much "assumption" surrounding what players do on the ice vs. what they actually do
Al
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: , IL
Joined: 08.11.2006

Oct 31 @ 8:34 PM ET
It isn't a team photo without Greg Fox, Al.
- Elbows15



Fox actually accumulated some points in the NHL...
prd797
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Scotland
Joined: 06.17.2012

Oct 31 @ 8:34 PM ET
Been raining all day here NW of Chicago..I bought 48 pieces of candy and have given out 1...
- Glenman12


I didn't get any trick-or-treaters either due to the rain, but then again it's always raining where I am.
UnnamedSource
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Local Mall, IL
Joined: 01.03.2012

Oct 31 @ 8:35 PM ET
Where to?
- rtang415

My son and I will be heading to DC.....then to kings court and ocean city.
CBHawks88
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Pallie
Joined: 07.05.2012

Oct 31 @ 8:36 PM ET
Well yeah, except for the racist part.
- Elbows15


My grandfather is EXACTLY like the character in that movie...

He's an elder Irish-Chicagoan (Vet & former CPD as well) & a hardcore racist

UnnamedSource
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Local Mall, IL
Joined: 01.03.2012

Oct 31 @ 8:36 PM ET
Thanks for the PMs gentlemen...... much obliged
Beaver-Warrior
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: in my great and unmatched wisdom
Joined: 07.28.2011

Oct 31 @ 8:37 PM ET
Traveling to Virginia in July....
- UnnamedSource


To eat at the Joe's Steakhouse in Front Royal?
UnnamedSource
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Local Mall, IL
Joined: 01.03.2012

Oct 31 @ 8:38 PM ET
To eat at the Joe's Steakhouse in Front Royal?
- Beaver-Warrior

Port land is on our list as well for another trip.
rtang415
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Palatine, IL
Joined: 02.07.2009

Oct 31 @ 8:38 PM ET
My son and I will be heading to DC.....then to kings court and ocean city.
- UnnamedSource

We are about 3 hours southeast of DC. About and hour and a half from the Outer Banks.
UnnamedSource
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Local Mall, IL
Joined: 01.03.2012

Oct 31 @ 8:41 PM ET
We are about 3 hours southeast of DC. About and hour and a half from the Outer Banks.
- rtang415

Never been to Virginia...... did Boston, Vermont, new Hampshire and bar harbor Maine this summer.
Chicago
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 11.12.2009

Oct 31 @ 8:43 PM ET
Does JJ not comment anymore in his blogs?
Beaver-Warrior
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: in my great and unmatched wisdom
Joined: 07.28.2011

Oct 31 @ 8:43 PM ET
Port land is on our list as well for another trip.
- UnnamedSource


Nice,nice. I'm roughly 2 hours south of Ptown.
Al
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: , IL
Joined: 08.11.2006

Oct 31 @ 8:45 PM ET
>Vastly different game, no doubt
>Requires vastly different metrics that are still in the infancy stages compared to baseball which is driven by individual actions
>There are ways to evaluate players individual strengths and weaknesses that go beyond the eye test (but support it)
>Not talking about crunching the numbers given by the NHL -- talking about focusing on very specific ways to evaluate a player
>NHL teams are already doing this
>To me, there is still a bit too much "assumption" surrounding what players do on the ice vs. what they actually do

- SnapitUpstairs


One major difference in accumulating data is the NHL involves more subjectivity than other sports.
rtang415
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Palatine, IL
Joined: 02.07.2009

Oct 31 @ 8:50 PM ET
Never been to Virginia...... did Boston, Vermont, new Hampshire and bar harbor Maine this summer.
- UnnamedSource

This is the real Virginia down here.
Ogilthorpe2
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 37,000 FT
Joined: 07.09.2009

Oct 31 @ 8:50 PM ET


Ogi, do you see a lot of this in the airline industry.

- philco28

It's everywhere. Sadly.
Q...argh
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 05.07.2013

Oct 31 @ 8:50 PM ET
There was never a shortage of drunks at the old barn. Man, I loved that place.
- Elbows15

What I don't miss is getting drenched when the drunks spilled their beer.
Ogilthorpe2
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 37,000 FT
Joined: 07.09.2009

Oct 31 @ 8:54 PM ET
What I don't miss is getting drenched when the drunks spilled their beer.
- Q...argh

Nothing wrong with the occasional beer shower. It's good for your skin. So soft
Beaver-Warrior
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: in my great and unmatched wisdom
Joined: 07.28.2011

Oct 31 @ 8:54 PM ET
This is the real Virginia down here.
- rtang415


Speaking from personal experience, couple years in Warren County. Yep.
philco28
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mississauga, ON
Joined: 12.06.2011

Oct 31 @ 8:54 PM ET
It's everywhere. Sadly.
- Ogilthorpe2


True that...lot of people get phucked up because of SELFISH IMPULSES.
rtang415
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Palatine, IL
Joined: 02.07.2009

Oct 31 @ 8:55 PM ET
Nothing wrong with the occasional beer shower. It's good for your skin. So soft
- Ogilthorpe2

Beer Shower=Ambience
philco28
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Mississauga, ON
Joined: 12.06.2011

Oct 31 @ 8:59 PM ET
Nothing wrong with the occasional beer shower. It's good for your skin. So soft
- Ogilthorpe2





Al Smith liked his in the '59 World Series

SnapitUpstairs
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: CHICAGO, IL
Joined: 02.03.2012

Oct 31 @ 9:11 PM ET
One major difference in accumulating data is the NHL involves more subjectivity than other sports.
- Al


>Very true, but some of the current "hot" fielding data in MLB is layered with subjectivity -- assumptions are made about a player's range, etc.
>My long-winded point in all this is this: Hawks can win a game, say 4-1 but have one of their Dmen cause 5 unforced icings (stat sheet) -- other team doesn't score of any draws (but on another night?)
>Coach sees stat sheet and quickly looks at the tape loop set up on those plays to see what happened -- all bad passes? Dman not moving his feet? players stop skating or miss good passes?
>If indeed 5 unforced bad breakout passes, Dman needs to fix it, right away
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Oct 31 @ 9:24 PM ET
Sounds like a TV soap opera plot.
- Beaver-Warrior


Or the Chicago Cubs, Sandberg era.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Oct 31 @ 9:33 PM ET
My grandfather is EXACTLY like the character in that movie...

He's an elder Irish-Chicagoan (Vet & former CPD as well) & a hardcore racist


- CBHawks88



Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Oct 31 @ 9:36 PM ET
What I don't miss is getting drenched when the drunks spilled their beer.
- Q...argh


Was that you? Sorry.
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