Is it a case of not admitting mistakes or is it more of having no other option?
- UnnamedSource

Well, they did resign Scott to a two year deal. Dear god, there HAD to be a better option than him somewhere.

Is it a case of not admitting mistakes or is it more of having no other option?
- UnnamedSource

I'm glad you went first. I kind of figured if I was the first one to jump on it, somebody would call me out on it.



Anyways, good post Al. I think we all needed to be "reeled in" to some extent. Myself included.

Well, they did resign Scott to a two year deal. Dear god, there HAD to be a better option than him somewhere.
- Elbows15

Painful memory indeed.

Indeed. However, unlike Brunette & Scott Q can't hide him in the press box or limit him to 3 minutes a game. Q has to play Khabby.
- EKolb13

I know, the bright side to playing him is it increases the chances he gets hurt. So, we have that going for us.

First if all, don't lump vodka-breath's hideous % in with CC's. Secondly, what have you been watching? You don't see the blasts right off the lost FOs? Blaming Crow for 'bulin's stench is like blaming Toews for Krug's FO% because they're both centers. The PK is bad because of a bad scheme and/or failure to execute.

Irrational post.
- Q...argh

So save percentage is irrational? Crow being 55th in the league in PK save percentage is irrational? I maintain the fact that the PK is bad because the goalies aren't making the saves. Of the teams allowing fewer shots than the Hawks on the PK (Hawks are 9th best), all are in the top 10 in SH goals against except Calgary, whose goalies have been as bad the Hawks. Consistently throughout the last 3 years, all I cared to look at, the top 10 teams in SH shots against are in the top 10 in of SH goals allowed, there's a pretty strong correlation between not allowing shots and not allowing goals. There have been two weaknesses on the PK, Toews' faceoffs and the goalies

I know, the bright side to playing him is it increases the chances he gets hurt. So, we have that going for us.
- Elbows15

Which is nice

I know, the bright side to playing him is it increases the chances he gets hurt. So, we have that going for us.
- Elbows15

There's always the Tanya Harding method of injury...

I'm glad you went first. I kind of figured if I was the first one to jump on it, somebody would call me out on it.



Anyways, good post Al. I think we all needed to be "reeled in" to some extent. Myself included.
- EKolb13

Meh, it was me. I can have a good discussion with you and US. We can agree to disagree on some points without it getting out of hand.

Too bad they aren't still at the old Stadium. A drunken tumble down the stairs would solve this issue.
- Elbows15

One night in the Stadium, in my younger less tolerant days...

There was a drunk that would get up during the game and walk to the top of the Mezz ...Section J and then stagger around before finding his seat.

This went on for 1/2 the game...

On one of his attempts to find a seat I helped by giving him a gentle shove which sent him down the entire flight of steps....Never fell once and I never saw someone so drunk that staggered but never went down.

It was the last time I saw him that night.

Painful memory indeed.
- UnnamedSource

I have been a Hawk fan for damn near 50 years US. He is the worse player to ever wear that sweater.

There's always the Tanya Harding method of injury...
- EKolb13

Not needed. Just have in practice one on one drills with Kane, The Captain, Hossa, etc.. He'll shoot a groin muscle from here to Peoria in no time and that will be that.

One night in the Stadium, in my younger less tolerant days...

There was a drunk that would get up during the game and walk to the top of the Mezz ...Section J and then stagger around before finding his seat.

This went on for 1/2 the game...

On one of his attempts to find a seat I helped by giving him a gentle shove which sent him down the entire flight of steps....Never fell once and I never saw someone so drunk that staggered but never went down.

It was the last time I saw him that night.
- Al

There was never a shortage of drunks at the old barn. Man, I loved that place.

Just a general comment that will be dismissed by some or maybe not appreciated.

I have been coming on this board for many years, actually there wasn't a Hawks blogger on HB before me.

I still come on because there is some good hockey discussions and many of the people have been here for years. Also I like John and he keeps the discussions in line.

Lately I have been noticing there is a lot of personal crap, arguing etc, almost to the point where there is pages of arguments that go beyond hockey logic.

No one on here knows everything, that includes myself.

We have all come along way with the Hawks, before things centered around constantly complaining about a poor team....There was a time when there was nothing else to talk about.

Now it seems there is more time left to criticize each other....

It's not cool and the most effective discussions about hockey are those that never get personal.

At least that is the way it should be and for the most part was in the past.
- Al

HEAR,HEAR!!!

The personal attacks are growing old and stale.

I have been a Hawk fan for damn near 50 years US. He is the worse player to ever wear that sweater.
- Elbows15

Diito

Is the nail from Sweden, too?
- StLBravesFan

Yes she is.

coaching?
We know the Hawks pk was horrendous the 2011-2 season. Last year was crazy, as Frolik and Kruger were clicking right off the bat. The one thing i noticed last year, these guys kind of were on the 4th line and limited playing time. Thus they were alot fresher come pk time. Now Kruger is getting a little more time on some of the other lines (2 and 3) which could effect pk effectiveness. Was this coaching and Frolik being more aggressive and confident? did Frolik compliment and bring out the best out of Kruger? Just an observation.

Another observation and need some stats, who was on the ice when most pk goals were scored this year?
- Topshelf2010

As for the stats:

Forwards:
Kruger- 9
Nordstrom- 4
Toews- 2
Hossa- 2
Saad- 2
Handzus- 2
Saad- 2
Smith- 1
Mills- 1

Defensemen:
Hammer- 8
Oduya- 7
Keith- 4
Brookbank- 2
Seabrook- 1

I saw on Twitter quotes from Sharp and Kane showing support for Pirri as the 2nd line centre. I wonder how much of that is genuine support and how much is "if Pirri is the 2nd line centre I don't have to be". Probably a little bit of both.

HEAR,HEAR!!!

The personal attacks are growing old and stale.
- Beaver-Warrior

HIPPIE!!!

So save percentage is irrational? Crow being 55th in the league in PK save percentage is irrational? I maintain the fact that the PK is bad because the goalies aren't making the saves. Of the teams allowing fewer shots than the Hawks on the PK (Hawks are 9th best), all are in the top 10 in SH goals against except Calgary, whose goalies have been as bad the Hawks. Consistently throughout the last 3 years, all I cared to look at, the top 10 teams in SH shots against are in the top 10 in of SH goals allowed, there's a pretty strong correlation between not allowing shots and not allowing goals. There have been two weaknesses on the PK, Toews' faceoffs and the goalies
- rollpards19

The game Crawford played which I thought he wasn't good at all on the PK was opening night...That said the Caps have great point shooters.

I think there have been a lot of deflections and the box has sagged in too low on a few occasions.

Clean faceoff loses have happened often and the shot blocking could be better too,

The quality of shots against in most games has been high, but Crawford could be better...

I saw on Twitter quotes from Sharp and Kane showing support for Pirri as the 2nd line centre. I wonder how much of that is genuine support and how much is "if Pirri is the 2nd line centre I don't have to be". Probably a little bit of both.
- DarthKane

I could be wrong DK. I don't recall them ever saying that about anyone. I think the Kane experiment at center is long gone though. Sharp, on the other hand, who knows.

HIPPIE!!!
- Elbows15

Is that a bad thing?

The game Crawford played which I thought he wasn't good at all on the PK was opening night...That said the Caps have great point shooters.

I think there have been a lot of deflections and the box has sagged in too low on a few occasions.

Clean faceoff loses have happened often and the shot blocking could be better too,

The quality of shots against in most games has been high, but Crawford could be better...
- Al

Respectfully, the shot blocking (small sample size) is pretty much allowing one more shot through every 4 games as compared to last year. I personally think Crow is too deep in his net on the PK, allowing some deflections to travel further and change direction more, giving him less of a chance to get a positional save. I also wondered whether the goalie coach change has anything to do with it. Price's PK SV% has skyrocketed this year (again, I know, sample size, but I don't want to wait to game 40 to make opinions) so that could maybe be part of it?

I saw on Twitter quotes from Sharp and Kane showing support for Pirri as the 2nd line centre. I wonder how much of that is genuine support and how much is "if Pirri is the 2nd line centre I don't have to be". Probably a little bit of both.
- DarthKane

Kane isn't in the conversation at all to play center....Sharp is near bottom of list too.

But down deep both have to feel they are better off with Pirri

I could be wrong DK. I don't recall them ever saying that about anyone. I think the Kane experiment at center is long gone though. Sharp, on the other hand, who knows.
- Elbows15

I'm sure the Kane and Sharp experiments at 2C are both long over. It was Brian Hedger on Twitter reporting the quotes from Kane and Sharp on Pirri. it was just nnice to see them thrown support behind Pirri. I know players alway stick up for each other but I found this to be a bit more genuine.

I'm sure the Kane and Sharp experiments at 2C are both long over. It was Brian Hedger on Twitter reporting the quotes from Kane and Sharp on Pirri. it was just nnice to see them thrown support behind Pirri. I know players alway stick up for each other but I found this to be a bit more genuine.
- DarthKane

Just scrolled through his timeline, shame Tazer doesn't get the 4 goal night.