Reducing shots against?
- AngryWhiteMale

blocking shots and improving Corsi...

it's ALLLLL about good corsi!

or 6 @ 4.5mil with a 2mil signing bonus for each year of the deal.

almost the same cap hit.
- zazzle

Calling $2M of it a signing bonus doesn't really make a difference.

Do you think Phanuef has anything to do with keeping opposing teams' best players away from the net? Limiting scoring chances rather than just shots?
- Jeffmt

A guy doing a job like that shouldn't make more than 5.

We have the offense figured out from the blueline. We need more Gunnarssons there to compliment and clean up mistakes.

And the more money we give Dion, the sooner we'll have to jettison a goalie, along with us having to make tougher cap decisions.

Now, if Nonis can mange to dump all of Liles' salary somewhere I'd be more open to giving Dion some money. But that's a different story.

5.75 for 8 still works out to the same money roughly.
- Yeti1181

I like 8 for 6 a lot more, I really like Phaneuf on the team, but 7 mill cap hit next season is tough to swallow. That's Chara money I'm hoping we can just extending the current contract

I don't mind the term that much he ll only be 36 by then, not like he going to be 40+
- Yeti1181

it's not that bad... he'll be finished in toronto before luongo is finished in vancouver

blocking shots and improving Corsi...

it's ALLLLL about good corsi!
- Rockhead_37

Have the leafs won via corsi yet this year?

So If guys like Franson are at near a PPG(and up there in hits too), and Reilly and Gardiner are coming around, why do we need to spend 7m per on Dion?

Why not just use that cap space to keep Reimer and Bernier for the medium-long term.
- AngryWhiteMale

Franson, Gardiner, Rielly cannot shut down the best players in the league, and will not be given that assignment unless we want McDavid next year.

So Phaneuf is staying.

Have the leafs won via corsi yet this year?
- ky678468

Nope, just be the ole fashioned goals method

Have the leafs won via corsi yet this year?
- ky678468

i think corsi has them in the lottery with the 2nd best chance at the first overall pick...

<-------- Bozak sucks.

<-------- Bozak sucks.
- honesthockey

Glad you finally agree, now lets move on. Love the avi.

That's the goalie's job. A healthy Gunnarsson's kept Dion from poopting the bed.

29th in shots against per game. Only team below us is Ottawa.
Hope our goalies don't forget to thank Dion after each game.
- AngryWhiteMale

Ok.

<-------- Bozak sucks.
- honesthockey

<-------- Bozak sucks.
- honesthockey

Excellent. Ranger gets one tonite.

A guy doing a job like that shouldn't make more than 5.

We have the offense figured out from the blueline. We need more Gunnarssons there to compliment and clean up mistakes.

And the more money we give Dion, the sooner we'll have to jettison a goalie, along with us having to make tougher cap decisions.

Now, if Nonis can mange to dump all of Liles' salary somewhere I'd be more open to giving Dion some money. But that's a different story.
- AngryWhiteMale

But he's also putting up points.

<-------- Bozak sucks.
- honesthockey

hahaha

Franson, Gardiner, Rielly cannot shut down the best players in the league, and will not be given that assignment unless we want McDavid next year.

So Phaneuf is staying.
- peddy-93

What do you mean by shutdown? We're allowing the second-post shots against per game in the league, and yet we're first place.

It's all goaltending. 1 less key save vs. PIT and anything happens. And yes I acknowledge that Dion played very well that night, but still, that money for Dion's raise will be better spent keeping 2 very solid goalies over the next few years. After all, all we need is an injury to our no. 1 and it won't freakin' matter how well Dion is at shutting guys down because we already allow so many shots against that we'll end up in the sewer.

Hell, look at Ottawa this year, they're not getting the Vezina-tending they did in the last 2 years and it's showing. Why throw stupid money at Dion if we don't necessarily need him?

Plus, we're getting so much offense it's silly.

When we talk about offence, we are talking about all-encompassing aspects. You can have great forwards, but offensive, PMDs are essential to maximizing it. Conversely, when we talk defence, it's not just the guys labelled 'Defencemen' who are the important. It's the forwards on the PK, it's the goalie with key saves.

Reimer had a late bible study last night (I heard it got completely out of hand). Everyone relax, he will be rested for Saturday.

<-------- Bozak sucks.
- honesthockey

When ever bozak is dissed, from the shadow comes batzakman. Ready to defend the fair maiden from ridicule and jabs. He fights for truth and justice (at least he thinks he does)

Nananananana batzakman

A guy doing a job like that shouldn't make more than 5.

We have the offense figured out from the blueline. We need more Gunnarssons there to compliment and clean up mistakes.

And the more money we give Dion, the sooner we'll have to jettison a goalie, along with us having to make tougher cap decisions.

Now, if Nonis can mange to dump all of Liles' salary somewhere I'd be more open to giving Dion some money. But that's a different story.
- AngryWhiteMale

I think that's exactly what is going to happen.
I'm sure someone will take Liles soon. Too many teams out there are looking for veteran d help now.

But he's also putting up points.
- burn

Yes but we have 3 other guys who are younger than him who are, or probably will put up more points over the next few years.

The only time you throw truly silly money on Dmen is when they're Norris-nominee-worthy. Dion is very good, but aside from 'eating up minutes' there's really not a whole lot he does that others can't.

Goalies have kept the puck out, and Gardiner/Reilly/Franson have kept things moving smoothly on offence.

Calling $2M of it a signing bonus doesn't really make a difference.
- Jeffmt

true but his cap hit would still be 6.5mil.

What do you mean by shutdown? We're allowing the second-post shots against per game in the league, and yet we're first place.

It's all goaltending. 1 less key save vs. PIT and anything happens. And yes I acknowledge that Dion played very well that night, but still, that money for Dion's raise will be better spent keeping 2 very solid goalies over the next few years. After all, all we need is an injury to our no. 1 and it won't freakin' matter how well Dion is at shutting guys down because we already allow so many shots against that we'll end up in the sewer.

Hell, look at Ottawa this year, they're not getting the Vezina-tending they did in the last 2 years and it's showing. Why throw stupid money at Dion if we don't necessarily need him?

Plus, we're getting so much offense it's silly.

When we talk about offence, we are talking about all-encompassing aspects. You can have great forwards, but offensive, PMDs are essential to maximizing it. Conversely, when we talk defence, it's not just the guys labelled 'Defencemen' who are the important. It's the forwards on the PK, it's the goalie with key saves.
- AngryWhiteMale

Doesn't that say something about the shots? Yes, our goalies have been good but they're not exactly all-world. We're not seeing the goalies make 20 breathtaking saves every night. Usually we see a handful of great saves and then about 30 routine ones. If Phaneuf is keeping players away from the net then they can shoot from the boards all night as far as I'm concerned, they're just padding Reimer and Bernier's stats.

Toronto's shots against has been a non-factor, as evidenced by their place in the standings. If anything, shots for should be a concern. When they're outshot 39-13 the 13 is the number that really concerns me.

When ever bozak is dissed, from the shadow comes batzakman. Ready to defend the fair maiden from ridicule and jabs. He fights for truth and justice (at least he thinks he does)

Nananananana batzakman
- Yeti1181

Hell yes.

Dion is very good, but aside from 'eating up minutes' there's really not a whole lot he does that others can't.
- AngryWhiteMale

Franson and Ranger can't do what he does