I dont think Dion is any better defensively than Yandle, Subban etc.

Just because Dion spends more time on the PK doesn't mean he is better defensively. Also, I just think these D men are better overall than he is...if you are looking for someone to kill dion's 3 minutes of PK time per game, then find someone in your bottom pairing that can do that.
- The-O-G

to each their own. Im not one of those posters on here who calls names etc. Agree to disagree.

Sidenote, any tough guys on the flames? Im getting sick of not seeing the typical fight(s) this season for the leafs, especially now that Orr and Mclaren are both back.

Is jackman a legit heavyweight?

to each their own. Im not one of those posters on here who calls names etc. Agree to disagree.

Sidenote, any tough guys on the flames? Im getting sick of not seeing the typical fight(s) this season for the leafs, especially now that Orr and Mclaren are both back.

Is jackman a legit heavyweight?
- clark_griswold

Jackman's a light heavyweight. More like Prust. McGrattan will play with the big boys though.

I dont think Dion is any better defensively than Yandle, Subban etc.

Just because Dion spends more time on the PK doesn't mean he is better defensively. Also, I just think these D men are better overall than he is...if you are looking for someone to kill dion's 3 minutes of PK time per game, then find someone in your bottom pairing that can do that.
- The-O-G

I'm going out on the limb here, as the Leafs could easily lose tonight to the Flames, but watch tonights game and watch Phaneuf closely. I'm pretty sure you're going to see a much different d-man then you remember, says the guy who wanted Dion gone from 2009 to 2012.

I said dion was going to have a great year and looks like I was right so far
- Yeti1181

there's the key... I've always like Dion, there are just a few over zealous Leafs fans (yes hard to believe they ARE out there) that believe he IS the top D-man in the league. Top 20, sure, elite... He's asking for elite term and $ and will likely get it. not a knock on the Leafs, just reality of the league in the cap era.

to each their own. Im not one of those posters on here who calls names etc. Agree to disagree.

Sidenote, any tough guys on the flames? Im getting sick of not seeing the typical fight(s) this season for the leafs, especially now that Orr and Mclaren are both back.

Is jackman a legit heavyweight?
- clark_griswold

Jackman isn't....but you can say hello to this guy:

I'm going out on the limb here, as the Leafs could easily lose tonight to the Flames, but watch tonights game and watch Phaneuf closely. I'm pretty sure you're going to see a much different d-man then you remember, says the guy who wanted Dion gone from 2009 to 2012.
- mykokes

I watch Dion every Saturday night!

Don't get me wrong fellas! Dion's game is solid, but I think inking him for 7-8 for 7-8 is not the right move for the Leafs IMO. That's all

Jackman's a light heavyweight. More like Prust. McGrattan will play with the big boys though.
- jtommyt

LOL he went to my highschool for a bit. He's a menace

to each their own. Im not one of those posters on here who calls names etc. Agree to disagree.

Sidenote, any tough guys on the flames? Im getting sick of not seeing the typical fight(s) this season for the leafs, especially now that Orr and Mclaren are both back.

Is jackman a legit heavyweight?
- clark_griswold

orr and mcgratten have fought twice before 2006 and 2009...

Well...like I mean...I try and get away with it, but those in my office typically frown upon that kind of stuff
- Colin_Dambrauskas

what your home office ....

that would be your wife that objects/frowns ......

I watch Dion every Saturday night!

Don't get me wrong fellas! Dion's game is solid, but I think inking him for 7-8 for 7-8 is not the right move for the Leafs IMO. That's all
- The-O-G

Yeah, that part scares me, so does the 8M number

I said dion was going to have a great year and looks like I was right so far
- Yeti1181

that's because it's a contract year for him. he want those big bucks

what your home office ....

that would be your wife that objects/frowns ......
- zazzle

No...I only work remotely from home every so often

I believe were running the same lineup as last night except with Bernier starting. Good luck scoring any goals on the Bernerrrrr!


Lupul on the 3rd line with Ashton and McClement cause of the sore foot. Knocks Bodie out and Orr to the 4th.


Orr and McGrattan are gonna scrap tonight. Orr is due for one!

I believe were running the same lineup as last night except with Bernier starting. Good luck scoring any goals on the Bernerrrrr!


Lupul on the 3rd line with Ashton and McClement cause of the sore foot. Knocks Bodie out and Orr to the 4th.


Orr and McGrattan are gonna scrap tonight. Orr is due for one!
- t_leafs21

So is McGratton to be honest.

I don't want to get into the whole fighting discussion, but I do feel sorry for these guys. I'm sure they've been circling this date on there calendar for a while. Must be pretty stressful.

I believe were running the same lineup as last night except with Bernier starting. Good luck scoring any goals on the Bernerrrrr!


Lupul on the 3rd line with Ashton and McClement cause of the sore foot. Knocks Bodie out and Orr to the 4th.


Orr and McGrattan are gonna scrap tonight. Orr is due for one!
- t_leafs21

Still think that Lupul is game time decision tbh...back to back games, not worth the risk if you ask me.

you kept bouwmeester over dion once before...not sure that was wise but hey, whatever blows your hair back.
- clark_griswold

J bo is on team Canada ... Dion won't be
I'll take j bo any day of the week over dion

I watch Dion every Saturday night!

Don't get me wrong fellas! Dion's game is solid, but I think inking him for 7-8 for 7-8 is not the right move for the Leafs IMO. That's all
- The-O-G

The problem with giving dion his market value is the leafs keep giving guys Mather value then they will run into cap problems

When you compare dion to other guys in that price range it looks like a bad contract but they have to give it to him ... Kessel compared to other guys getting paid his money ... Looks like a bad contract but they had no choice ..... To pay a clarkson that kind of money ... Looks like a bad contract ... But they wanted him so they paid ... Everyone rips on feaster for hudler and wideman ... Those contracts look pretty good compared to some of the deals out there now

J bo is on team Canada ... Dion won't be
I'll take j bo any day of the week over dion
- Redmile247

Two different players, two different roles...

Two different players, two different roles...
- Colin_Dambrauskas

Different players yes ...different roles ? Not really outside of dion being the captain
Both play pp pk top pairing minutes

Different players yes ...different roles ? Not really outside of dion being the captain
Both play pp pk top pairing minutes
- Redmile247

JBo is soft as kleenex and his offense is offensively bad. Just saying. And he's ON team canada already? hmmmm.

As a #1, Dion is much better. Fitting into a solid d core like STL, you may have a point. Replace Dion with JBO currenlty on the leafs, not a good thing.

JBo is soft as kleenex and his offense is offensively bad. Just saying. And he's ON team canada already? hmmmm.

As a #1, Dion is much better. Fitting into a solid d core like STL, you may have a point. Replace Dion with JBO currenlty on the leafs, not a good thing.
- clark_griswold

J bo doesn't run around like dion being physical I agree ... But he also doesn't make the poor choices dion does ... As for his offense compared to dion ... Dion has a more shoot first mentality and j bo is pass first ... J bo coming out of his own end is better and faster .... When j bo is on the ice my only worry is he might not be physical enough ... When dion is on the ice I am holding my breath that he doesn't (frank) up

JBo is soft as kleenex and his offense is offensively bad. Just saying. And he's ON team canada already? hmmmm.

As a #1, Dion is much better. Fitting into a solid d core like STL, you may have a point. Replace Dion with JBO currenlty on the leafs, not a good thing.
- clark_griswold

J-Bo doesn't make the same level of mistakes as Dion does. Soft, perhaps but a much smarter player. Thats why he'll be in Sochi and Dion won't

It's "Racks out for Ramo"!
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- MattWM

I also came up with "BJ's for TJ's"

I don't agree with this at all....but anyway's....

Here's my list of D the Leafs should want over Dion:

Karlson
Subban
Letang
Weber
Doughty
Bouwmeester
Piterangelo (sp?)
Keith
Seabrook
Doughty
Yandle
Suter
Chara
Bieksa (maybe, haha)
Boyle
Kronwall
Ekman-Larson

That's about it probably...

EDIT: My point isn't to rag on Dion but you could throw some money at Franson, lock him up. Then maybe add a UFA like Girardi or Niskanen and I think the team would be better off. Just my opinion.
- The-O-G

For the most part, he is right....if you commit to playing the shutdown D you have to give in your offensive game and if you commit to offense (as a dman) you are going to sacrifice in your d game - not rocket science, just common sense.