Here's the thing with Dion. He's not the ideal #1 dman, but he is a better #1 than alot of Dmen out there. Let's look at Seabrook, sound defensively, no offense. Or letang, great offensively, bad defensively. Dion does a bit of everything (one of the top 2 or 3 active scoring dmen since he came into the league, and always tops amongst hits). To say he's not elite is a little biased i say, kind of like when people USED to laugh and say '2 1sts and a second for kessel ". There are definately dmen i'd take over Dion, but to say he's not elite doesn't fly. His mistakes are magnified because he's in Toronto and he plays so damn much.
- clark_griswold

Just a small correction, Seabrook believe it or not is one of 6 d-men to be on a 40 point/200 hit pace during last year's shortened season. He's got an offensive game. But I often wonder what Dion would be like if he had a Suter/Keith or someone of that ilk beside him. Right now though, he's been one of the feel good stories of this leaf team for sure.

Just a small correction, Seabrook believe it or not is one of 6 d-men to be on a 40 point/200 hit pace during last year's shortened season. He's got an offensive game. But I often wonder what Dion would be like if he had a Suter/Keith or someone of that ilk beside him. Right now though, he's been one of the feel good stories of this leaf team for sure.
- mykokes

Seabrook is, but not over his career. He's a great fantasy player for sure, but it's not consistent for him to be huge offensively.

Well that's the thing, offering him 3 years is basically as good as not making an offer at all. If they want to keep him they'll have to pony up with term and dollars, that's a fact. Honestly, I don't know what Nonis is going to do. My gut says he bites the bullet and resigns him but who really knows...
- Jeffmt

I think so too... He'll get his term but maybe thats where Dion will need to compromise is the salary.

Just a small correction, Seabrook believe it or not is one of 6 d-men to be on a 40 point/200 hit pace during last year's shortened season. He's got an offensive game. But I often wonder what Dion would be like if he had a Suter/Keith or someone of that ilk beside him. Right now though, he's been one of the feel good stories of this leaf team for sure.
- mykokes

Thats the challenge though right? Finding a partner that'll allow him to play and not worry about the holes in his game (Game 7 last year). those guys are as hard to find as the elite D. And if the Leafs play hardball, is there anyone out there to trade for that brings the same upside?

Thats the challenge though right? Finding a partner that'll allow him to play and not worry about the holes in his game (Game 7 last year). those guys are as hard to find as the elite D. And if the Leafs play hardball, is there anyone out there to trade for that brings the same upside?
- geta02it

im crossing my fingers for dan girardi. UFA, nyr is in shambles. Perfect fit for the leafs. Leafs need a shutdown D or we don't go far come playoff time.

im crossing my fingers for dan girardi. UFA, nyr is in shambles. Perfect fit for the leafs. Leafs need a shutdown D or we don't go far come playoff time.
- clark_griswold

What would we trade for him?

hey, anyone know what the presale code is for today!?

hey, anyone know what the presale code is for today!?
- sen_smile

If you find out, let me know!

Hopefully the top guys aren't too tired, I don't think they had more than 2 shifts after 4-0... It was all the bottom 6.
- Feeling Glucky?

Quit making excuses already.

8 yr/$49M
- PatC80

Wouldn't you rather throw that money at Franson? Clearly it can't be both of them?

If you find out, let me know!
- Double_A[/quote

Standard trap game.

Reimer or Bernier will need to be real good early to give the Leafs a chance.

Wouldn't you rather throw that money at Franson? Clearly it can't be both of them?
- The-O-G

Franson has been rather sloppy this year, so far.

Wouldn't you rather throw that money at Franson? Clearly it can't be both of them?
- The-O-G

Why can't we bring both back? The cap's going up and we gain a bunch of cap space back from Tucker/Armstrong/Frattin/Scrivens, plus Liles will likely either be gone or a much smaller cap cost. Franson (RFA) won't cost what Dion will cost.

Hey Colin who is starting in net for the flames?

What would we trade for him?
- Yeti1181

i hate throwing out offers. However, if NYR keep sucking, Lundqvist has not signed and i think he's waiting to see how it shapes up. We have goalies to offer, prospects, roster players (Kule, a package for gardiner, etc.).

Girardi would be huge for us.

Franson has been rather sloppy this year, so far.
- Yeti1181

that's why i laughed before the year when ppl said get rid of Dion, franson can be the #1.

Franson has been rather sloppy this year, so far.
- Yeti1181

I agree, granted he wouldn't command as big a contract as Dion will though.

If it was down to Dion at 7-8 or Franson at say 4-5, I'm curious as to what Leaf fans would prefer?

Well that's the thing, offering him 3 years is basically as good as not making an offer at all. If they want to keep him they'll have to pony up with term and dollars, that's a fact. Honestly, I don't know what Nonis is going to do. My gut says he bites the bullet and resigns him but who really knows...
- Jeffmt

Do you guys have anyone close to becoming a #1 D if neon Dion were to leave?

Wouldn't you rather throw that money at Franson? Clearly it can't be both of them?
- The-O-G

Over Dion?? No chance.

i hate throwing out offers. However, if NYR keep sucking, Lundqvist has not signed and i think he's waiting to see how it shapes up. We have goalies to offer, prospects, roster players (Kule, a package for gardiner, etc.).

Girardi would be huge for us.
- clark_griswold

If we send Gards I would do straight up for girard I just because he the perfect fit style and age wise. What hand does he shoot? Deal contingent on if he re signs with leafs.

that's why i laughed before the year when ppl said get rid of Dion, franson can be the #1.
- clark_griswold

I don't think either of them are #1 D men.....

2-3 for sure. But not #1

I agree, granted he wouldn't command as big a contract as Dion will though.

If it was down to Dion at 7-8 or Franson at say 4-5, I'm curious as to what Leaf fans would prefer?
- The-O-G

If that's we're we are at I would still take Dion I think, he's just too important to the defensive core. I prefer him at 6 mill but the way contract are going for number 1 d, probably not likely.

If we send Gards I would do straight up for girard I just because he the perfect fit style and age wise. What hand does he shoot? Deal contingent on if he re signs with leafs.
- Yeti1181

Gardiner straight up for Girardi? I don't think that would happen. Girardi is heart and soul.

If that's we're we are at I would still take Dion I think, he's just too important to the defensive core. I prefer him at 6 mill but the way contract are going for number 1 d, probably not likely.
- Yeti1181

Ya I think true value would be about 5.5ish, but you are right, not gonna happen!