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Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Oct 29 @ 5:18 PM ET
Its cool. Tough day at work. Maybe I'm just raggin. I'm getting a verklempt.
- youarewrong

I had a day like that yesterday.
Sucked balls
youarewrong
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 07.07.2010

Oct 29 @ 5:21 PM ET
Its cool. Tough day at work. Maybe I'm just raggin. I'm getting a verklempt.


- youarewrong[/URL]

I think this should explain it. Stupid work filters I have to post on work computer and put gif in on cell phone....
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Oct 29 @ 5:27 PM ET
LET'S GO FLYERS!!! CLAP! ~ CLAP! ~ CLAP!CLAP!CLAP!!!



LET'S GO FLYERS!!! CLAP! ~ CLAP! ~ CLAP!CLAP!CLAP!!!



LET'S GO FLYERS!!! CLAP! ~ CLAP! ~ CLAP!CLAP!CLAP!!!

- ggunky


bump
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Oct 29 @ 5:28 PM ET
Again, you need somebody who is desperate.

In the Gaustaud trade, Poile was desperate to convince his two stud defensemen he was serious about being a contender. In the Zhitnik deal, Don Waddell's job was on the line-no playoffs and he probably gets fired.

Does Hartnell waive his NMC and spend the next three years in Edmonton or Columbus? Does Timonen ditch his family to play a couple months in Anaheim? Possible, but not sold.

- Jsaquella

At least half the league will be "desperate" always are. Every year. Kimmo would wave to go to cup contender. Hartnell too. If we could wind up with 4 to 6 picks in the top 60 I'd be very happy. Plus would save salary. Kimmo is gone after this year anyways and face it hartnell is very replaceable. So is coburn/mez/grossman. If we move mason though I might drop flyers from future thoughts lol
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Oct 29 @ 5:37 PM ET
Everyone laughs at buffalo but I really like what they're doing. They have some really nice young players on roster and or coming up soon. Then you look at them trading pomminville for #1 pick( zadorov) and drafting risto last year. Trade vanek get extra 1 and 2 pick. Going to flip moulson ( probably for another 1) gonna have at least 5 picks in top 60 this year. Going to rebuild real fast doing that. We don't have to go to that extreme but following that game plan somewhat is what I'd like to see
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Oct 29 @ 5:39 PM ET
bump
- ob18



Tough game, but Flyers win tonight, 4-3. Giroux (PP), Couturier, Simmonds, Voracek get goals. Streit with two assists.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Oct 29 @ 5:41 PM ET
Its cool. Tough day at work. Maybe I'm just raggin. I'm getting verklempt.
- youarewrong


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ftfy. and even then, still not quite using it correctly.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 29 @ 5:45 PM ET
Fair enough. Where that player comes from is the million dollar question.
- PLindbergh31



It most certainly is.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Oct 29 @ 5:45 PM ET
Everyone laughs at buffalo but I really like what they're doing. They have some really nice young players on roster and or coming up soon. Then you look at them trading pomminville for #1 pick( zadorov) and drafting risto last year. Trade vanek get extra 1 and 2 pick. Going to flip moulson ( probably for another 1) gonna have at least 5 picks in top 60 this year. Going to rebuild real fast doing that. We don't have to go to that extreme but following that game plan somewhat is what I'd like to see
- SMS4016


It's an actual plan rather than holmgrens dartboard tactics
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 29 @ 5:48 PM ET
The others gamble as well. Like I said they drift to scoring lanes that are usually away from thier defensive assignments and await the puck to come to them. Buff is just a completely different beast. He creates more offense for him and those around him.

You keep bringing up his weight, but yet it hasn't impacted his play. He is a top defenseman and has speed, and creates offense. Bill does not like him and think he has issues. But that doesn't change what he is or what he can do.

For me, I would welcome Buff. And I would pair him with someone quick that has good passing skills like Gus. Much like Enstrom.

- youarewrong


How do you know that it hasn't impacted his play? How do you know that he wouldn't be a better player, if he was in better physical shape?
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Oct 29 @ 5:51 PM ET
Keep on dragging out the Gaustad trade.


That's one of the absolute worst trades in the past 10 years. You just don't get that inane value in everyday trades.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 29 @ 5:53 PM ET
Yea? Didn't they also just get done significantly changing the "future" of the team by trading Top Prospect Schenn and promising forward Simmonds for a vet Mike Richards? And then when they struggled they made a tough decision and traded a cap firendly young offensive d-man for a top line scoring Jeff Carter?

If you think of this team in terms of a puzzle, the puzzle is almost complete. Just missing some pieces. You think LA regrets trading Johnson, Schenn, and Simmonds? Just like I wouldnt mind trading Couts, Laughton, or Simmonds. Gotta crack some eggs to make omlettes.

- youarewrong


The Kings are in a different spot then the Flyers are now. I think the Flyers are more then just a few moves from being in the Cup mix.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Oct 29 @ 5:54 PM ET
Tough game, but Flyers win tonight, 4-3. Giroux (PP), Couturier, Simmonds, Voracek get goals. Streit with two assists.
- AllInForFlyers


Agreed. Flyers win this.. Giroux FINALLY scores a goal and we win 5-3 with an ENG!
Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Oct 29 @ 5:54 PM ET
It's an actual plan rather than holmgrens dartboard tactics
- Just5

they better draft well

and it could take a while, look at Edm right now
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 29 @ 5:55 PM ET
At least half the league will be "desperate" always are. Every year. Kimmo would wave to go to cup contender. Hartnell too. If we could wind up with 4 to 6 picks in the top 60 I'd be very happy. Plus would save salary. Kimmo is gone after this year anyways and face it hartnell is very replaceable. So is coburn/mez/grossman. If we move mason though I might drop flyers from future thoughts lol
- SMS4016


It really depends on which Hartnell you're talking about. The good Hartnell, the one that we saw signs of against the Isles, is not easy to replace. it would have to be a very good haul to think about trading Hartnell.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ersson-Ville, NB, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Oct 29 @ 5:57 PM ET
The Kings are in a different spot then the Flyers are now. I think the Flyers are more then just a few moves from being in the Cup mix.
- MJL


To me what we lack the most is a stud #1 defenseman and a solid 2 guy. Looks like we might have solved the tending issue. The talent is there at forward.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Oct 29 @ 5:58 PM ET
Agreed. Flyers win this.. Giroux FINALLY scores a goal and we win 5-3 with an ENG!
- Hextall271

Does Giroux get the empty net? Cause that doesnt count.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Oct 29 @ 6:01 PM ET
It really depends on which Hartnell you're talking about. The good Hartnell, the one that we saw signs of against the Isles, is not easy to replace. it would have to be a very good haul to think about trading Hartnell.
- MJL

You really think Hartnell could be a deadline move with his contract?

If he's traded I see it happening at the draft or sometime soon. I don't think a team good enough to have a playoff spot locked up at the deadline will want to invest so heavily in a guy they didnt need to lock up said spot.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 29 @ 6:05 PM ET
You really think Hartnell could be a deadline move with his contract?

If he's traded I see it happening at the draft or sometime soon. I don't think a team good enough to have a playoff spot locked up at the deadline will want to invest so heavily in a guy they didnt need to lock up said spot.

- hereticpride


He's not the typical veteran impending UFA that is normally traded at the deadline, so I think it's more likely that if he was going to be traded, it would be in the off season. But you never know. I think Hartnell is a better player then he is perceived to be by many. And I think if he plays as he is capable of, then he is well worth his contract. He had a really bad year last year, and that has left a bad taste with some.
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Oct 29 @ 6:23 PM ET
Eric had that one good year after he got traded and was either injured or average after that.

I doubt anyone was pining away for the Dallas Stars version of the E-Train.

- johndewar

Nope. Once he and Bure weren't paired up and E hurt his shoulder and had his first surgery he wasn't the same.
gtrman09
Anaheim Ducks
Location: Irvine, CA
Joined: 07.16.2009

Oct 29 @ 6:23 PM ET
Jeez, 500+ comments on a game preview?
wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

Oct 29 @ 6:31 PM ET
Jeez, 500+ comments on a game preview?
- gtrman09


it never stops.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Oct 29 @ 6:34 PM ET
Jeez, 500+ comments on a game preview?
- gtrman09


Ducks get us excited.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Oct 29 @ 6:45 PM ET
At least half the league will be "desperate" always are. Every year. Kimmo would wave to go to cup contender. Hartnell too. If we could wind up with 4 to 6 picks in the top 60 I'd be very happy. Plus would save salary. Kimmo is gone after this year anyways and face it hartnell is very replaceable. So is coburn/mez/grossman. If we move mason though I might drop flyers from future thoughts lol
- SMS4016


I'm not saying to keep them for the sake of keeping them...I doubt a real contender has a need for Hartnell or Timonen. And while Timonen is a UFA in the summer, Hartnell has 3 years left on his deal...where ever he goes, he's got to agree to be there for 3 years.

I one sentence you saying that a desperate team would jump to get them, and in the next you're saying the Flyers wouldn't miss them. A lot of them ARE replaceable, but you're not going to get much for them.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Oct 29 @ 6:46 PM ET
Or they could just trade Raffl for Malkin heads up. First line player, for second line player.
- PLindbergh31



Or trading Giroux or Maroon...first line for first line.
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