I do not disagree.
Him and Rinaldo together is not great.

I wonder why Hall has fallen out of favor.
He has been waived and moved a ton, but he is good at the dot and doesn't hurt them defensively and can play PK, and Rosehill doesn't do any of that.
- Marc D

i'd like to know too :/

You keep saying you have zero interest in Byfuglien. Which current Flyers defenseman is better than Byfuglien?
- PLindbergh31

It's about more then that in my opinion. I'm not saying that Byfuglien is not a good offensive defenseman. He is. It's about fit, and what I think the team needs. They already have Mark Striet. I think Byfuglien is better offensively as a defenseman then Streit is, and a better overall player. But I'm interested in a repacement for Timonen, not adding another offensive defenseman. A player that can be used in all situations. And you would put out there against any line, with the game on the line. Byfuglien is not that player in my opinion. That combined with the questionable fitness issues, adds up to not be interested.

Maybe because he holds a grudge after he scored on him in the first period of game 6.


- mayorofangrytown

How does a player like Betts with those bionic shoulders allow a dainty, fragile waif like Byfuglien access to that area of the ice?

Congrats on picking up the sarcasm. I have to agree with with Hawk here. Buff, while not perfect, has almost as much impact as anyother offensive d-man out there. What he doesnt do defensively, he makes up for with being so unpredictable offensively. Letang, Karlsson, OEL, Subban. They do score at a similiar pace but they arent the type to take the puck and rush with it a la kim johnson....lol Or take the puck down past the goalie. They are more often then not to set-up in a prime scoring position and wait for someone to hit them with the puck and put a well placed shot behind a goalie.

While that is great for a defenseman, in terms of "creating" offense, Buff is in a leauge of his own for defenseman.
- youarewrong

I could translate that to the other players don't gamble, and they play discipline hockey and they make the smart and effective plays. I'll take that over the once a month fantastic unpredictable line rush that Byfuglien might give you. Byfuglien is not in a league of his own as a defenseman in any way besides appetite.

It's about more then that in my opinion. I'm not saying that Byfuglien is not a good offensive defenseman. He is. It's about fit, and what I think the team needs. They already have Mark Striet. I think Byfuglien is better offensively as a defenseman then Streit is, and a better overall player. But I'm interested in a repacement for Timonen, not adding another offensive defenseman. A player that can be used in all situations. And you would put out there against any line, with the game on the line. Byfuglien is not that player in my opinion. That combined with the questionable fitness issues, adds up to not be interested.
- MJL

Fair enough. Where that player comes from is the million dollar question.

I thought "all factors of the game should be considered"?

Karlsson is downright bad defensively on a lot of nights. Subban makes a lot of youthful mistakes as well. Ditto OEL and Pietrangelo.

Why do they make the cut, in your opinion, and Buff (who just so happens to be top-3 in points/game from the blueline over the last several years) is out in the cold?

Could it be that you're being arbitrary in your application of standards?
- Tomahawk

All factors of the game are considered. I disagree that Karlsson is downright bad defensively on a lot of nights. And in terms of being just an offensive defenseman, Karlsson is heads above Byfuglien. All defenseman make mistakes, especially young ones. Pietrangelo and OEL are kids that are on their way to being top defenseman in this League of they aren't already. They have tons of room still for growth. I think Byfuglien is what he is at this point in his career. Along with the othe rbaggage he brings, I'm not interested. There's not arbitrary about it.

How do the threads keep getting F'ed up like this. Wish Ref's were here to fix such issues instead of going through the thread and handing out bans at the end of the day......

i'd like to know too :/
- -davies-

My only guess is Berube would rather dress a goon with no offensive game whatsoever than a PK specialist with no offensive game whatsoever. He may also figure with the schedule relatively light right now, its not a big deal for the top 10 forwards to get a few more minutes of playing time.

My guess is you will see more of Hall when they start playing more back to backs and 3 in 4 nights.

Would you rather see Rinaldo in the penalty box twice a game, or in a coat and tie?
- PLindbergh31

In the game. The team needs some level of grit and physical presence. And don't give me the Hartnell's, Simmonds, Schenn's when it comes to that.

Most teams have a player like Rinaldo for a reason, you learn to take the good with the bad when it comes to players like him.

I meant as a possible TDL rental acquisition, assuming we're buyers. I think he's a UFA this offseason.
- jmatchett383

The Flyers shouldn't be buyers. Leave that to teams with an actual shot at winning the Cup.

True.

Who reqally thought Subban had a chance of winning the Norris last year? Or even Karlsson the year before? Both stepped up and had great offensive years, and well, there you go.

The criteria for the trophy has been for mainly offensive production ever since the Rod Langway years.
- 77rams

I for one saw subban as Norris winner in future. Trade coots for subban.

My only guess is Berube would rather dress a goon with no offensive game whatsoever than a PK specialist with no offensive game whatsoever. He may also figure with the schedule relatively light right now, its not a big deal for the top 10 forwards to get a few more minutes of playing time.

My guess is you will see more of Hall when they start playing more back to backs and 3 in 4 nights.
- BiggE

The problem is when that goon starts becoming a liability-Rosheill had a horrible turnover during the Isles game-and the potential manpower shortage in case of injuries. I'm a lot more comfortable with Adam Hall pressed into playing 10-12 minutes than I would be with Rosehill in the same situation.

I could translate that to the other players don't gamble, and they play discipline hockey and they make the smart and effective plays. I'll take that over the once a month fantastic unpredictable line rush that Byfuglien might give you. Byfuglien is not in a league of his own as a defenseman in any way besides appetite.
- MJL

The others gamble as well. Like I said they drift to scoring lanes that are usually away from thier defensive assignments and await the puck to come to them. Buff is just a completely different beast. He creates more offense for him and those around him.

You keep bringing up his weight, but yet it hasn't impacted his play. He is a top defenseman and has speed, and creates offense. Bill does not like him and think he has issues. But that doesn't change what he is or what he can do.

For me, I would welcome Buff. And I would pair him with someone quick that has good passing skills like Gus. Much like Enstrom.

My only guess is Berube would rather dress a goon with no offensive game whatsoever than a PK specialist with no offensive game whatsoever. He may also figure with the schedule relatively light right now, its not a big deal for the top 10 forwards to get a few more minutes of playing time.

My guess is you will see more of Hall when they start playing more back to backs and 3 in 4 nights.
- BiggE

I haven't seen the Ducks much this season.

Do they have a Rosehill antagonist on their team?

Islanders do, and maybe that's why he played.
I'm not agreeing with this line of thinking personally.

How do the threads keep getting F'ed up like this. Wish Ref's were here to fix such issues instead of going through the thread and handing out bans at the end of the day......
- youarewrong

They wait unill the end of the day?

The Flyers shouldn't be buyers. Leave that to teams with an actual shot at winning the Cup.
- Feanor

So if (IF) the Flyers end up as one of the top 3 seeds in the Metro, they should be looking to sell?

I haven't seen the Ducks much this season.

Do they have a Rosehill antagonist on their team?

Islanders do, and maybe that's why he played.
I'm not agreeing with this line of thinking personally.
- Marc D

They have a Corey Perry. And seeing Rosehill beat on him would be worth the price of admission.

In the game. The team needs some level of grit and physical presence. And don't give me the Hartnell's, Simmonds, Schenn's when it comes to that.

Most teams have a player like Rinaldo for a reason, you learn to take the good with the bad when it comes to players like him.
- flyers2001

Unfortunately, in Rinaldo's case this season, the bad is outweighing the good.

If he can start playing like he did last year, drawing more penalties and getting the opposing team of it's game with good hitting, then he's an asset. When he's running around with no discipline and committing dumb and obvious penalties, he's a liability and the good he brings is totally outweighed by the bad.

The Flyers shouldn't be buyers. Leave that to teams with an actual shot at winning the Cup.
- Feanor

I'm hoping if they aren't in the play off picture they sell off any vets that aren't in the long term picture at the trading deadline and get whatever they can.

I haven't seen the Ducks much this season.

Do they have a Rosehill antagonist on their team?

Islanders do, and maybe that's why he played.
I'm not agreeing with this line of thinking personally.
- Marc D

Rosehill will lose a decision to Parros' mustache tonight

They have a Corey Perry. And seeing Rosehill beat on him would be worth the price of admission.
- jmatchett383

That would be fine, but chances seem slim.

I'm hoping if they aren't in the play off picture they sell off any vets that aren't in the long term picture at the trading deadline and get whatever they can.
- Marc D

NTC NMC NMC NTC NTC etc.

Rosehill will lose a decision to Parros' mustache tonight
- PLindbergh31

All the way from Montreal's ICU?

The problem is when that goon starts becoming a liability-Rosheill had a horrible turnover during the Isles game-and the potential manpower shortage in case of injuries. I'm a lot more comfortable with Adam Hall pressed into playing 10-12 minutes than I would be with Rosehill in the same situation.
- Jsaquella

I agree with you, I was just guessing what Berube and his staff may be thinking. I'm still hopeful they can make a minor deal for a better 4th line center which would improve the line overall.

That would be fine, but chances seem slim.
- Marc D

Well then, if you're losing late, just drop the gloves and don't give him a chance to say no.