Absolutely...I'm not sold on him 100% yet, but he's been very good so far. He's been stellar at times and pretty good throughout. I don;t think he's allowed more than 3 goals in any single game yet.
- Jsaquella

I really like his game so far.. we'll see, but anyone who thinks that the tending on this team has been weak is smoking Toronto sports network weed.

I really like his game so far.. we'll see, but anyone who thinks that the tending on this team has been weak is smoking Toronto sports network weed.
- Hextall271

Emery struggled in his second start, but was good against the Habs.Hard to get him work with the schedule and how well Mason has played.

That's more than I'd want to drop...I'm thinking of buying my first Flyers jersey in 4 years...not sure who to get.
- Jsaquella

Still in the area of NHL jerseys

Emery struggled in his second start, but was good against the Habs.Hard to get him work with the schedule and how well Mason has played.
- Jsaquella

Yeah, when we do go to Razor, he may be rusty.. Still.. reward Mase..

Sorry, carry-over from last thread, interested in continuing the convo w/ AIFF... and sorry for Wall O Text.



'Playing the right way' is certainly code for conforming to traditional Canadian hockey values -- team-first, shelf your own ego, never say what you feel, always do what the coach says, adhere to the code, sacrifice for the team, be one of the boys.

I don't think that mindset necessarily stifles scoring, but I'll agree that it does stifle creativity and self-expression to some degree... there are hot dog/flashy moves that players mess around with in practice that they won't ever pull out during a game because they're scared of being called out/shamed.

Without the constant influx of non-NA players with the gall/naivete to introduce some of that kind of stuff in-game, I think NHL hockey would probably be incredibly bland by comparison.

I can understand why young players from former Soviet-bloc countries, in particular, would buck under 'playing the right way'... facets of the Canadian hockey mantra sound a lot like the stuff their parents chafed under... and I get why conforming/suppressing individualism might seem threatening to them.

With that said, though, NA hockey isn't going to change overnight, so it behooves incoming players to bring some willingness to adapt/appease. Yak could easily throw his coach a bone to earn enough leash to eventually be able to do his own thing, but instead, he airs his dirty laundry in public and lands himself in the pressbox.

To me, the attitude is the big red flag. The Flyers have enough guys freelancing outside of the system and guys who have a lot to learn... if I'm looking to bring in help, I would hope that at least they wouldn't add to the lack of structure on the team. Yakupov, as he stands now, doesn't seem like the smartest move to me. While getting him could be a huge long-term coup, it also has an equal chance right now of going horribly wrong.
- Tomahawk

No worries -- I thought this was interesting. You just bagged me on the last one, when you broke out the entire Swedish junior team from the last few years getting scratched.


Is Yakupov's attitude a red flag? Of course. I don't dispute that -- it could easily turn into an Alexander Radulov situation.

But at the same time, teams always look at the worst-case scenario. They refuse to take the risk.

Sergei Fedorov displayed as much character as any player I've ever seen -- he sacrificed his game a lot in Detroit. He chafed sometimes, but he performed.

I think we already mentioned Alexander Mogilny as one who made some adjustments to his game. There are certainly numerous others.

My point with Yakupov, any talented player that the Flyers might acquire, is that there will always be risk. Dustin Byugflien would be a risk. Chris Pronger at 34 years old was a risk. Daniel Briere on an 8-year-contract was a risk.

But never taking that risk means that the Flyers will never cheat that cycle they they and Detroit have had the most success in avoiding over the last 20-ish years: The long rebuild. The painful rebuild. The sometimes-unsuccessful rebuild.

What we see with the Flyers right now is the lack of elite talent that other teams who have bottomed out have accumulated.

We know the usual suspects in Chicago and Pittsburgh. But look at what Colorado has going on right now. Look at what the Islanders are becoming.

We can't have it both ways, where we take no risks, try to win every season, yet continue to try to stave off franchises who have no problem with tanking multiple seasons.

By rights, with how awful the Flyers were in 06-07, that should've been a team that drafted in the top 5 two or three more years. We should've had a shot at the Stamkos' and Doughtys and Pietrangelos and Taveres' of the world, because we were that bad.

If we don't figure out a way to get elite talent in here, take some risks, then we're looking at having it forced upon us.

I'd rather take the risk on a player like Yakupov in order to be good than take the risk to be bad, then wind up like Edmonton and Florida.

But again, that's just me.

I'm well aware than fans can't make trades, but is this trade offer close to fair value?

Alex Edler(assuming he'd waive his NTC)
3rd Round Pick and/or Jordan Schroeder(can fill in as a 3LC or winger, waiver eligible player).

for

Jakob Voracek
Tye McGinn


Edler's been solid this season under Torts, but the defense is just fine with Hamhuis and Garrison also being left handed defensemen and a 2nd line upgrade is really needed.
- Nucker101

Any chance you'd take Simmonds instead of Voracek and change the 3rd on your side to a 5th?

ive seen enough not to get excited by him. how many nights did we talk about nodl becoming a surefire 3rd liner in this league? same skillsets
- Just5

Nodl was never the same after his concussion issue. There's been plenty to be happy about with Raffl and what he's show so far.

Yeah, when we do go to Razor, he may be rusty.. Still.. reward Mase..
- Hextall271

Yeah, the way Mason is playing, you have to ride him. Emery will get his games in...and the six days off didn't help in that respect, either.

"No team since the 1940-41 New York Americans have scored two or fewer goals in their first 10 games. The 2-7-0 Flyers are in danger of tying that mark." AP

This is Freaking hilarious. It's not even some meaningless weird stat. Its goals we're talking about. If anyone makes a personal attack on a poster in here ripping the Flyers they should be banned.
- Just5

For those unaware -- and I was involved in it, so I'll own it -- that's exactly what would happen. I'm sorry. But if you do attack someone, you're getting three months. Just thought I'd pass that along for anyone who didn't see it last night.

Yeah, the way Mason is playing, you have to ride him. Emery will get his games in...and the six days off didn't help in that respect, either.
- Jsaquella

Mase is also solid playing the puck... I like what I have seen.. good Canadian boy... all I need to hear is a media quote where he says Hexy was one of his idols while in kindergarten, and I am sold.. lol

No worries -- I thought this was interesting. You just bagged me on the last one, when you broke out the entire Swedish junior team from the last few years getting scratched.


Is Yakupov's attitude a red flag? Of course. I don't dispute that -- it could easily turn into an Alexander Radulov situation.

But at the same time, teams always look at the worst-case scenario. They refuse to take the risk.

Sergei Fedorov displayed as much character as any player I've ever seen -- he sacrificed his game a lot in Detroit. He chafed sometimes, but he performed.

I think we already mentioned Alexander Mogilny as one who made some adjustments to his game. There are certainly numerous others.

My point with Yakupov, any talented player that the Flyers might acquire, is that there will always be risk. Dustin Byugflien would be a risk. Chris Pronger at 34 years old was a risk. Daniel Briere on an 8-year-contract was a risk.

But never taking that risk means that the Flyers will never cheat that cycle they they and Detroit have had the most success in avoiding over the last 20-ish years: The long rebuild. The painful rebuild. The sometimes-unsuccessful rebuild.

What we see with the Flyers right now is the lack of elite talent that other teams who have bottomed out have accumulated.

We know the usual suspects in Chicago and Pittsburgh. But look at what Colorado has going on right now. Look at what the Islanders are becoming.

We can't have it both ways, where we take no risks, try to win every season, yet continue to try to stave off franchises who have no problem with tanking multiple seasons.

By rights, with how awful the Flyers were in 06-07, that should've been a team that drafted in the top 5 two or three more years. We should've had a shot at the Stamkos' and Doughtys and Pietrangelos and Taveres' of the world, because we were that bad.

If we don't figure out a way to get elite talent in here, take some risks, then we're looking at having it forced upon us.

I'd rather take the risk on a player like Yakupov in order to be good than take the risk to be bad, then wind up like Edmonton and Florida.

But again, that's just me.
- AllInForFlyers

What it really comes down to is what is the price? If it's as high as I think it would be, I don't think I'd take that risk.

Still in the area of NHL jerseys
- ob18

The only one I have bought since the Richards one I bought in 2009 was the money I gave to #23 for the Vinny one

For those unaware -- and I was involved in it, so I'll own it -- that's exactly what would happen. I'm sorry. But if you do attack someone, you're getting three months. Just thought I'd pass that along for anyone who didn't see it last night.
- AllInForFlyers

What if we attack ourselves?

The only one I have bought since the Richards one I bought in 2009 was the money I gave to #23 for the Vinny one
- Jsaquella

Jsaq not even a bit of a second thought to dishing out money to support a league that could have cared less about giving fans a middle finger last year, and not too long before that?

What if we attack ourselves?

- flyer_nutter

You will be chained to a desk in front of your laptop and be forced to read us arguing about luck vs hard work, Russian bias: Does It Exist?, whether or not Jay Rosehill should be the 13th forward and if Tye McGinn should've gotten sent down yesterday...for the next week.

Jsaq not even a bit of a second thought to dishing out money to support a league that could have cared less about giving fans a middle finger last year, and not too long before that?
- flyer_nutter

I didn't spend a dime on the NHL last year, and if buying a half priced jersey is that awful, consider I had planned to buy at least 4 jerseys last season and was thinking hard about a 12 game ticket plan.

You will be chained to a desk in front of your laptop and be forced to read us arguing about luck vs hard work, Russian bias: Does It Exist?, whether or not Jay Rosehill should be the 13th forward and if Tye McGinn should've gotten sent down yesterday...for the next week.



- AllInForFlyers

I saw a bit of the poop from yesterday, and wont try to play innocent. I have been in a few of them in the past myself. Best to usually just step away, its a message board after all.

I didn't spend a dime on the NHL last year, and if buying a half priced jersey is that awful, consider I had planned to buy at least 4 jerseys last season and was thinking hard about a 12 game ticket plan.
- Jsaquella

When you could be buying me a ticket to fly down to Philly and experience the joy live.

What happened between me, and you? I thought what we had... Was special!

I saw a bit of the poop from yesterday, and wont try to play innocent. I have been in a few of them in the past myself. Best to usually just step away, its a message board after all.
- flyer_nutter

Yes, absolutely. Today's a new day; lessons were learned yesterday.

When you could be buying me a ticket to fly down to Philly and experience the joy live.

What happened between me, and you? I thought what we had... Was special!
- flyer_nutter

Mostly it was the smell

What it really comes down to is what is the price? If it's as high as I think it would be, I don't think I'd take that risk.
- MJL

Understood; fair enough. Not everyone would, and I understand that.

Appreciate the feedback, I myself and I believe most Canucks fans would much rather prefer Voracek mainly because the team could use another skilled/playmaking top 6 forward. Voracek fits that bill much more than Simmonds IMO. I understand the hesitation to move Voracek though.

Mostly it was the smell
- Jsaquella

Well what do you expect, its not exactly the cleanest area.

Appreciate the feedback, I myself and I believe most Canucks fans would much rather prefer Voracek mainly because the team could use another skilled/playmaking top 6 forward. Voracek fits that bill much more than Simmonds IMO. I understand the hesitation to move Voracek though.
- Nucker101

If it was anyone other than Voracek (Simmonds, Hartnell) you would probably have a deal.

The Flyers unfortunately are really weak in terms of actual skill up front. The big 3 are Giroux, Voracek and Read which isn't a really impressive list as it is.

If it was anyone other than Voracek (Simmonds, Hartnell) you would probably have a deal.

The Flyers unfortunately are really weak in terms of actual skill up front. The big 3 are Giroux, Voracek and Read which isn't a really impressive list as it is.
- flyer_nutter

In my opinion, the Flyers really aren't weak in actual skill up front. I guess it depends on how you define skill. Simmonds, Schenn, Couturier, and Hartnell are all skilled players. They aren't all complete packages in terms of offensive skill. But they all have offensive skill. Most NHL teams have 4-6 offensive players on the roster.