Scott handled Orr until Orr threw a rib shot. That's like kicking someone between the legs and saying you won the fight. I will admit to declare a winner Orr gets that but I wouldn't consider it grounds to say who the better fighter is.
By the way, if your favorite team's fighter beats my favorite team's fighter, it means you are a better person and you will advance in every aspect in life.
Orr is one tough S.O.B. but so it Scott. I think the fights are entertaining either way. Win or lose I still do my own thing.
- Simple

What the hell are you talking about? Someone said it was a draw and I said it wasn't. I didn't say who was the better fighter, I didn't say what one fight says about either team, I just stated a fact. You're right, Scott handled Orr just fine until he couldn't anymore.

A rib shot is not the same as kicking someone between the legs. That's ridiculous. Body punches are part of fighting.

Yeah I can't wait for John Scott to fight another draw with Orr and then watch Kaleta break another bone in Frasers face.

Toronto is talented (finally) but to refer to them as "team tough" is a reach.
- Pairo11

Kaleta will turtle again like he did last year against Orr.
He will go after Bozak later in the game and claim to be a tough guy.

Our useless goon punches your useless goon in the face better than your useless goon punches our useless goon.

Who cares? The fact of the matter is that the Sabres are actually a better team if they take the ability to play Scott out of Rolston's hands. Sit him for the rest of the year and they'll be a better team.

I just think the Sabres learned the wrong message. They figured they needed to get a guy like Scott to match up against Boston. The way to match up is to be team tough, not to employ a goon. A guy like Ott is what you need, since he can actually play hockey.
- jmatchett383

Thorough logic! haha
I agree. I mean Scott does deter some things on the ice but I definitely agree that there is way better options out there. I mean if Lucic runs Miller with Ott here (sorry to beat dead horse), Ott fights whoever need be. Does the job. Any other cheap shot on the ice same scenario. And Ott can be a somewhat decent hockey player too. He can lay hits also to prevent you from doing the same.

They've fought a few times. The last time they fought Orr won. Last year Scott won. I don't know about other years..

I guess my point is that if they fought ten times they'd each win 5.
- Pairo11

That's a fair statement.

Kaleta will turtle again like he did last year against Orr.
He will go after Bozak later in the game and claim to be a tough guy.
- mantosh

But Kaleta will turtle and draw a powerplay. In which the only way we score is if you put it in your own net!

But Kaleta will turtle and draw a powerplay. In which the only way we score is if you put it in your own net!
- Simple

Shoot from your own side of the red line. Bernier likes letting those in.

I would agree but I would call him smart before Coward. He actually contributes to his team unlike Scott. Therefore if he has a chance at being beat, injured, hurt when unnecessary, why fight? Kind of like the Mayweather approach lol
- Simple

Then he shouldn't run goalies as I'm only guessing here but I would think that Scott's hitting Eriksson may have been Scott's way of telling the Bruins here I am come get me.

The Sabre's are a very bad team right now but what has that got to do with the fact that Lucic is a bully and a coward and Chara get's away with murder every season
- lostcdn

Some cheese with your whine?

Every other team in the NHL would love to have Lucic and Chara on their roster, Buffalo included.

I'll go out on a limb and say that once his tenure in Buffalo is over, so is John Scott's hockey career.

The whole NHL changed in mentality and the Sabres regressed. That's why they suck. Blame Pegula and Regier for that. It falls squarely on their shoulders.

Hating on Lucic and Chara isn't going to change anything.

What the hell are you talking about? Someone said it was a draw and I said it wasn't. I didn't say who was the better fighter, I didn't say what one fight says about either team, I just stated a fact. You're right, Scott handled Orr just fine until he couldn't anymore.

A rib shot is not the same as kicking someone between the legs. That's ridiculous. Body punches are part of fighting.
- Jeffmt

Sorry I assumed on part.
Yes, yes they are but so rare it's sneaky. I take NOTHING away from Orr. I say neither the better fighter. To be honest, I don't know Orr well enough so my bottom dollar is that he is a better hockey player too! lol
It's shame because with Scott's size if he and any hockey talent, he'd be decent defenseman or power play wall in front the net. But NOPE

Thorough logic! haha
I agree. I mean Scott does deter some things on the ice but I definitely agree that there is way better options out there. I mean if Lucic runs Miller with Ott here (sorry to beat dead horse), Ott fights whoever need be. Does the job. Any other cheap shot on the ice same scenario. And Ott can be a somewhat decent hockey player too. He can lay hits also to prevent you from doing the same.
- Simple

I don't think he (Scott) deters anything at all. If the only response is that a tough guy's gonna punch you a few times and then be done with it, then there's no real message sent. Now, if you're gonna have 3 guys jump him in the corner and not let anyone stop them, that's a different story. And there wouldn't/shouldn't be a third man in, because they should all make a beeline for the guy.

I actually was in agreement with Tim Thomas, when he said he was surprised that no one ran him in that game. If someone runs your goalie or star player, you don't run him: you run the other team's goalie or star player.

Then he shouldn't run goalies as I'm only guessing here but I would think that Scott's hitting Eriksson may have been Scott's way of telling the Bruins here I am come get me.
- lostcdn

Listen I am a Sabres supporter.
But I don't think no way, no how does the hit on Eriksson have anything to do with Miller getting run. Maybe having us bring Scott on the team at most. But is was not payback. There was plenty of other times to do that.

Shoot from your own side of the red line. Bernier likes letting those in.
- mantosh

So you're saying there's a chance?

Then he shouldn't run goalies as I'm only guessing here but I would think that Scott's hitting Eriksson may have been Scott's way of telling the Bruins here I am come get me.
- lostcdn

That's my issue with Lucic. I really don't think he would have ran Miller if Scott was there because I think Lucic is the type of player who's always aware of how he stacks up against the other team. When he's the toughest guy on either side he plays big and tough and he's really effective playing like that. Maybe I'm imagining it or just seeing what I want to see, but I don't think he plays as big when he knows there's someone on the other team who's tougher than he is. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong about that.

Listen I am a Sabres supporter.
But I don't think no way, no how does the hit on Eriksson have anything to do with Miller getting run. Maybe having us bring Scott on the team at most. But is was not payback. There was plenty of other times to do that.
- Simple

The payback would have been to have Scott run the goalie. Hard and high.

That's my issue with Lucic. I really don't think he would have ran Miller if Scott was there because I think Lucic is the type of player who's always aware of how he stacks up against the other team. When he's the toughest guy on either side he plays big and tough and he's really effective playing like that. Maybe I'm imagining it or just seeing what I want to see, but I don't think he plays as big when he knows there's someone on the other team who's tougher than he is. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong about that.
- Jeffmt

I think it's awesome to have such a diverse, multitalented guy like that. He can play so many different roles and he does it smart! I mean why step up to the heavy weight when your a middle weight? Almost common sense. But if you're with all middle weights and your the reigning champ, act like it.

The payback would have been to have Scott run the goalie. Hard and high.
- jmatchett383

Welcome to Buffalo where 16 years of Darcy are 'Should Have Beens'.

Sorry I assumed on part.
Yes, yes they are but so rare it's sneaky. I take NOTHING away from Orr. I say neither the better fighter. To be honest, I don't know Orr well enough so my bottom dollar is that he is a better hockey player too! lol
It's shame because with Scott's size if he and any hockey talent, he'd be decent defenseman or power play wall in front the net. But NOPE
- Simple

The sad thing about Scott is that he probably never even had a chance. I'm willing to bet he's the type of guy who's been fighting since he was a kid. Some guys are great goalscorers or playmakers or defenders in junior but end up fighting as a means of making it to the highest level. Other guys (and I'm betting Scott falls into this category) are identified in their teens as a pure fighter and are never going to have the chance to develop actual skills.

I think it's awesome to have such a diverse, multitalented guy like that. He can play so many different roles and he does it smart! I mean why step up to the heavy weight when your a middle weight? Almost common sense. But if you're with all middle weights and your the reigning champ, act like it.
- Simple

This is true. Admittedly I'd probably have zero issues with him if he was a Leaf. I just think he's at his best when he's acting like the biggest guy on the ice.

The sad thing about Scott is that he probably never even had a chance. I'm willing to bet he's the type of guy who's been fighting since he was a kid. Some guys are great goalscorers or playmakers or defenders in junior but end up fighting as a means of making it to the highest level. Other guys (and I'm betting Scott falls into this category) are identified in their teens as a pure fighter and are never going to have the chance to develop actual skills.
- Jeffmt

Yeah, he's never been a good, or even average, scorer at any level. But take a guy like Bob Probert, the greatest fighter of all time. He was pegged as a goon, but he worked and actually became a good hockey player. Dave Schultz once scored 20 goals. Tie Domi (Public Enemy #2 to me) became a decent player when he wasn't throwing cheap shots and hiding behind his teammates. The list goes on and on of people who come up as fighters but work and work and work and become decent NHL players who can play a regular shift. John Scott hasn't done that.

Kaleta will turtle again like he did last year against Orr.
He will go after Bozak later in the game and claim to be a tough guy.
- mantosh

Is Orr going after Kaleta your version of your team fighting members of the Sabres "their own size?"
That's how your team rolls?

That's my issue with Lucic. I really don't think he would have ran Miller if Scott was there because I think Lucic is the type of player who's always aware of how he stacks up against the other team. When he's the toughest guy on either side he plays big and tough and he's really effective playing like that. Maybe I'm imagining it or just seeing what I want to see, but I don't think he plays as big when he knows there's someone on the other team who's tougher than he is. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong about that.
- Jeffmt

Thank You

That was my point all along. That his game style against the Sabre's has changed a ton since Scott came here he can still hurt them on the score sheet but the wrecking ball he used to be has pretty much disappeared.

Yeah, he's never been a good, or even average, scorer at any level. But take a guy like Bob Probert, the greatest fighter of all time. He was pegged as a goon, but he worked and actually became a good hockey player. Dave Schultz once scored 20 goals. Tie Domi (Public Enemy #2 to me) became a decent player when he wasn't throwing cheap shots and hiding behind his teammates. The list goes on and on of people who come up as fighters but work and work and work and become decent NHL players who can play a regular shift. John Scott hasn't done that.
- jmatchett383

Like look at Chara (and Myers when he's on). Their size to push, the length of stick an arms, shot power, long strides. Such an advantage. They can make mistakes and easily regain the edge (at least Chara lol).
Poor Scott. Just a tall mechanical engineer trying hockey. lol

Thank You

That was my point all along. That his game style against the Sabre's has changed a ton since Scott came here he can still hurt them on the score sheet but the wrecking ball he used to be has pretty much disappeared.
- lostcdn

I agree. I don't think Ott is enough to deter Lucic. I think Lucic would overmatch Ott.

I think it's awesome to have such a diverse, multitalented guy like that. He can play so many different roles and he does it smart! I mean why step up to the heavy weight when your a middle weight? Almost common sense. But if you're with all middle weights and your the reigning champ, act like it.
- Simple

Lucic is hardly a middleweight but likes to fight them

That's my issue with Lucic. I really don't think he would have ran Miller if Scott was there because I think Lucic is the type of player who's always aware of how he stacks up against the other team. When he's the toughest guy on either side he plays big and tough and he's really effective playing like that. Maybe I'm imagining it or just seeing what I want to see, but I don't think he plays as big when he knows there's someone on the other team who's tougher than he is. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong about that.
- Jeffmt

I like that evaluation....most likely from someone who hates the Sabres, but doesn't like Boston much more....