Haha, yeah it's just weird because I actually thought he was playing decently well.
- beingaflamesfan

I don't know the particular reasoning, but it happens from time to time. Sometimes a coach sees something in practice that he doesn't like and has to remind players the hard way.

That or he is being traded.

Here are my thoughts.....


Monahan is 19, and the whole time this guy rants on about how keeping 18 years olds, yada yada yada.

Who the hell is Jordan Knight???

(So far this guy has lost all the credibility, even though he had none in the first place)

Get out of here with all this Corsi rating BS. If you are looking at that to determine whether or not he should stay you're an idiot plain and simple. Watch him play hockey, he is a good player at the NHL level.

Player development (not money) should be primary factor in the decision. He will get locked up long term before he even comes close to touching UFA status and sending him down to junior would be a waste of time for him.
- The-O-G

Oh the wussy that wanted to bet, but backed down. How you doing?

One persons opinion. I happen to disagree with a lot of what he says.
Yes guys like Gagner and MPS should have been sent down but Nuge, Hall and Yak were ready. The argument for Monahan is that he is really being protected right now. Soft minutes and easy assignments. That would be the only argument to send him down.

The contract issues don't mean poop.
- Iggysbff

Big big difference here. Of course he's going to get soft minutes but by games 7 & 8 he was not getting soft minutes against LA & San Jose & as he succeeds Hartley is giving him tougher & tougher minutes. Calgary can do this because they have vets that can handle the minutes & work a rookie in. Oilers Management didn't do this, they blew everything out & Hall & Nuge had top line, tough minutes right out of the hop. Ironically, Yaks is getting his stripes the right way, slowly getting in on the 3rd line & play himself onto the top 6 & pp minutes. It's tough & he's learning & because he isn't scoring 50 freaking goals the vultures want to trade him. If Oilers had the right kind of veterans that could ease him to the pro game, there wouldn't be all the drama. Ridiculous the thought of trading a 1st overall a year after he was drafted. That's a WTF is management doing statement.

I don't know the particular reasoning, but it happens from time to time. Sometimes a coach sees something in practice that he doesn't like and has to remind players the hard way.

That or he is being traded.
- Lahey

This would be very interesting indeed.

This would be very interesting indeed.
- FL4MES

For the love of my blog, yes please!







wait..as long as its in favor of the Flames

You know something....this Corsi rating bullpoop is really starting to piss me off. Sorry, but to me these advanced stats give people who've never actually played the game a way to value players and it bugs the poop out of me.

Look "stats guy", this isn't freaking baseball, hockey is SO much more than these little stats and percentages, and if you've ever played the game at all you would understand this. The intangibles on the ice cannot be measured, and the way people are using these ratings to value players these days is pathetic.

I'm not saying these stats are useless, they are good to spots trends and pick out things which you may not see. But honestly, compared to all the other factors in the game it's a minuscule part of the big picture.

Sorry for the rant, but every time I see the Monahan discussion people start to bring in all these advanced stats. Do one thing for me stats guy: WATCH HIM PLAY HOCKEY, don't analyse his play on the computer after the game. Maybe then you will realize why he should play in the NHL this year.

Oh the wussy that wanted to bet, but backed down. How you doing?
- Lahey

poop...what did I miss...you want in on that bet? Next 10 games???

poop...what did I miss...you want in on that bet? Next 10 games???
- The-O-G

Same bet as the other two hicks. One month avatar bet.

I don't remember what the bet was though

You know something....this Corsi rating bullpoop is really starting to piss me off. Sorry, but to me these advanced stats give people who've never actually played the game a way to value players and it bugs the poop out of me.

Look "stats guy", this isn't freaking baseball, hockey is SO much more than these little stats and percentages, and if you've ever played the game at all you would understand this. The intangibles on the ice cannot be measured, and the way people are using these ratings to value players these days is pathetic.

I'm not saying these stats are useless, they are good to spots trends and pick out things which you may not see. But honestly, compared to all the other factors in the game it's a minuscule part of the big picture.

Sorry for the rant, but every time I see the Monahan discussion people start to bring in all these advanced stats. Do one thing for me stats guy: WATCH HIM PLAY HOCKEY, don't analyse his play on the computer after the game. Maybe then you will realize why he should play in the NHL this year.
- The-O-G

You know I like stats and was did real well in College in Stats, but I'm with you. These guys are annoying as (frank) with them.

The best is on Oilersnation. There are now two former NHLers writing for the Oil, but no Jonathan Willis and his stats are going to tell us how things are. As those two have said many times, stats only mean so much and it doesn't measure any mental aspect of the game.

My other fav was someone trying to sell some possession stat to prove who would win the cup. Win NJ is 3rd in that stat, you can (frank) right off.

You know something....this Corsi rating bullpoop is really starting to piss me off. Sorry, but to me these advanced stats give people who've never actually played the game a way to value players and it bugs the poop out of me.

Look "stats guy", this isn't freaking baseball, hockey is SO much more than these little stats and percentages, and if you've ever played the game at all you would understand this. The intangibles on the ice cannot be measured, and the way people are using these ratings to value players these days is pathetic.

I'm not saying these stats are useless, they are good to spots trends and pick out things which you may not see. But honestly, compared to all the other factors in the game it's a minuscule part of the big picture.

Sorry for the rant, but every time I see the Monahan discussion people start to bring in all these advanced stats. Do one thing for me stats guy: WATCH HIM PLAY HOCKEY, don't analyse his play on the computer after the game. Maybe then you will realize why he should play in the NHL this year.
- The-O-G

I like to be 50/50 when it comes to these advanced stats. Many I ignore but others I find handy when it comes to making assessments. With respect to Monahan, people need to realize the odds of him staying on trend and to not get too excited.

While he could still produce quite effectively, there are certain stats that are important which can give you a good idea of perhaps why he is currently finding success, or conversely where he could improve. But again, you absolutely cannot assess a player by looking at a game sheet or excel spreadsheet. You're right.

You are correct...

Glencross - Stajan - Stempniak
Galiardi - Backlund - Jones
Cammalleri - Monahan - Hudler
Bouma - Colborne - Jackman
- Colin Dambrauskas

I liked the original lines better.

I can't wait to hear the reason for Baertschi being scratched.

You know I like stats and was did real well in College in Stats, but I'm with you. These guys are annoying as (frank) with them.

The best is on Oilersnation. There are now two former NHLers writing for the Oil, but no Jonathan Willis and his stats are going to tell us how things are. As those two have said many times, stats only mean so much and it doesn't measure any mental aspect of the game.

My other fav was someone trying to sell some possession stat to prove who would win the cup. Win NJ is 3rd in that stat, you can (frank) right off.
- Lahey

I agree...I love stats too, mostly just because I think they are interesting. They are helpful as well, but it seems to be wayyyyy overboard these days. Small part of a big picture!


About that bet......1 month is pretty high stakes......I think we should choose the avatars prior to making the bet. But i'm game.

I liked the original lines better.

I can't wait to hear the reason for Baertschi being scratched.
- TandA4Flames

Cammi and Hudler on his line tonight Oh this is going to be fun to watch

I like to be 50/50 when it comes to these advanced stats. Many I ignore but others I find handy when it comes to making assessments. With respect to Monahan, people need to realize the odds of him staying on trend and to not get too excited.

While he could still produce quite effectively, there are certain stats that are important which can give you a good idea of perhaps why he is currently finding success, or conversely where he could improve. But again, you absolutely cannot assess a player by looking at a game sheet or excel spreadsheet. You're right.
- Colin Dambrauskas

I don't need ANY stats to tell me he's not going to maintain his current pace.

He's another wild prediction....neither will Hudler.

It's not easy to pile up point in the NHL, stat guy or non stat guy, everyone should know this!

I don't need ANY stats to tell me he's not going to maintain his current pace.

He's another wild prediction....neither will Hudler.

It's not easy to pile up point in the NHL, stat guy or non stat guy, everyone should know this!
- The-O-G

lol I hear you...but believe me when you need to write these things and review players/teams...the stats help. Its those who rely SOLELY on the stats to provide feedback that are erroneous in their ways.

I like to be 50/50 when it comes to these advanced stats. Many I ignore but others I find handy when it comes to making assessments. With respect to Monahan, people need to realize the odds of him staying on trend and to not get too excited.

While he could still produce quite effectively, there are certain stats that are important which can give you a good idea of perhaps why he is currently finding success, or conversely where he could improve. But again, you absolutely cannot assess a player by looking at a game sheet or excel spreadsheet. You're right.
- Colin Dambrauskas

Has there ever been talk of moving 9 games to say 20?

I agree...I love stats too, mostly just because I think they are interesting. They are helpful as well, but it seems to be wayyyyy overboard these days. Small part of a big picture!


About that bet......1 month is pretty high stakes......I think we should choose the avatars prior to making the bet. But i'm game.
- The-O-G

Pretty sure I said something about Bieber for the avatar?

High stakes, it's a freaking avatar on a website where hopefully no one really knows who you are.

Pretty sure I said something about Bieber for the avatar?

High stakes, it's a freaking avatar on a website where hopefully no one really knows who you are.
- Lahey

ha ha ha ya you're right.

So the deal is....

Team with the most points over the next 10 games

Loser has a bieber avatar for a month?

ha ha ha ya you're right.

So the deal is....

Team with the most points over the next 10 games

Loser has a bieber avatar for a month?
- The-O-G

Starting tonight?

Starting tonight?
- Lahey

Has there ever been talk of moving 9 games to say 20?
- Lahey

technically its ten games...(as you want to remain under 10)....but no, I dont see them entertaining changing that as 9 games should be enough to get an idea of how the player can handle themselves against full time NHLers...be it at the start of the season or not.

Pretty sure I said something about Bieber for the avatar?

High stakes, it's a freaking avatar on a website where hopefully no one really knows who you are.
- Lahey

We know....weeee know...

- The-O-G

Who you kidding? Neither of us is wearing a suit, although after looking for another pic to post it appears that only men in suits shake hands.

technically its ten games...(as you want to remain under 10)....but no, I dont see them entertaining changing that as 9 games should be enough to get an idea of how the player can handle themselves against full time NHLers...be it at the start of the season or not.
- Colin Dambrauskas

But it isn't. We've seen time and time again that it isn't. The fact that these guys play so damn hard those first 9 games blurs everything.

Who you kidding? Neither of us is wearing a suit, although after looking for another pic to post it appears that only men in suits shake hands.
- Lahey