Booth makes 4.25, Burrows makes 4.5. At this point, that's nearly 9million wasted. Thank god we got Santorelli and Stanton playing for 550k and producing.

Hopefully Jensen gets another look soon, he could easily replace Booth.
- dshiddy

I read this morning that Jensen is still about two weeks away, then he will have to play some in the A to get his timing etc back.

Booth makes 4.25, Burrows makes 4.5. At this point, that's nearly 9million wasted. Thank god we got Santorelli and Stanton playing for 550k and producing.

Hopefully Jensen gets another look soon, he could easily replace Booth.
- dshiddy

But we're still stuck with Booth's salary on the books.

But we're still stuck with Booth's salary on the books.
- LeftCoaster

I hear the hunting in Utica is marvelous this time of year.

That was the way that I voted in the poll too!

It just doesn't make sense to me that the farm team is in NY and it should have been an easy call up. If this was a home stand, well then it seems understandable that there may have not been enough time to bring someone across the continent... Looking for some drama between Torts and Booth I guess, and if there was some it was either Monday or Tuesday morning, but I think the players may have had Monday off... So maybe Booth had a run in with Torts on game day?

I'd just like to know the decision making process and timeline involved, sometimes it seems like a perfect orchestration and sometimes it is by the seat of their pants decision making and execution.

The 2pts is the main thing but still Torts wasn't happy with the performance.
- hillbillydeluxe

It may have been a cap issue, who knows. Outside of winning the cup has Torts ever been happy?

sure, if Nielson had actually made contact with the head. You're missing that important step, since he did not.
- Isles_since_6

Take as much or as little offence from this as you'd like, but I'm done with your poop today

Go argue with somebody else about the colour of the sky, or something...

Booth makes 4.25, Burrows makes 4.5. At this point, that's nearly 9million wasted. Thank god we got Santorelli and Stanton playing for 550k and producing.

Hopefully Jensen gets another look soon, he could easily replace Booth.
- dshiddy

How is Burrows's salary wasted?

He's currently on the IR, so they get cap savings, and when he's healthy he's always a valuable contributor.

Booth makes 4.25, Burrows makes 4.5. At this point, that's nearly 9million wasted. Thank god we got Santorelli and Stanton playing for 550k and producing.

Hopefully Jensen gets another look soon, he could easily replace Booth.
- dshiddy

Just about anyone can easily replace Booth- hasn't done enough to be an asset or important element on the team. I like how Booth goes to the net, but he hasn't done that enough this season and hasn't gotten the results since he has been here. Too many injuries appear to have sapped his confidence. Send him down and see if anyone will grab him off waivers, if he clears, maybe he can play down there and get his confidence and game back.

Also wondering how long Santorelli can keep playing this well? Would anyone else be stepping up if Santorelli or Richardson wasn't? Where would we be without these guys?

Take as much or as little offence from this as you'd like, but I'm done with your poop today

Go argue with somebody else about the colour of the sky, or something...
- Fosco

you could just stop responding, problem solved on your end.

The whole thing is a joke. If Kesler didn't pull a dive on that play it wouldn't even have been a penalty.

I hear the hunting in Utica is marvelous this time of year.
- dshiddy

Only saves slightly under 1 million in cap, still stuck with over 3 million of wasted space. I would send him down to send him a message and possibly get his game back, no one would claim him that's for sure.

I hear the hunting in Utica is marvelous this time of year.
- dshiddy

Now Mr. Booth, just put on these antlers and brown jacket and stand over by this tree....

That is how FA rolls, saves money on buyouts and does not have to bury another body in that old empty lot down the lane that for some reason will never be developed...

How is Burrows's salary wasted?

He's currently on the IR, so they get cap savings, and when he's healthy he's always a valuable contributor.
- Fosco

Burrows is not worth 4.5m per year. He was when he was making 2m, but not anymore. Look at the Sharks and Hawks for example.

Toews/Kane/Hossa/Sharp
Thornton/Marleau/Pavelski/Couture
Sedin/Sedin/Kesler/Burrows

Big drop off for us when it comes to 4th highest paid forward.

Only saves slightly under 1 million in cap, still stuck with over 3 million of wasted space. I would send him down to send him a message and possibly get his game back, no one would claim him that's for sure.
- LeftCoaster

Agreed.

Not a bad idea, if they're already stuck with his salary.

He's either claimed, gets the message and improves after a while in the AHL, or gives a boost to the forward corps in Utica.

I don't really see any huge negative in any of those scenarios, except that the team is still stuck with his salary anyway with the last two.

Booth makes 4.25, Burrows makes 4.5. At this point, that's nearly 9million wasted. Thank god we got Santorelli and Stanton playing for 550k and producing.

Hopefully Jensen gets another look soon, he could easily replace Booth.
- dshiddy

Booth has been bad so far this season. He's been completely invisible, but it has only been 10 games for a guy who missed all of training camp and virtually all of last season as well. He also looks like he's not 100% recovered from his injuries yet.

He's an easy target for fans right now, but it wouldn't surprise me if it took him another 10-20 games before he looks comfortable and starts contributing on a consistent basis. And as long as he's contributing consistently for the last half of the season and into the playoffs (knock on wood) I'm pretty sure most fans will be more than satisfied.

Of course, that doesn't help this week!

Burrows is not worth 4.5m per year. He was when he was making 2m, but not anymore. Look at the Sharks and Hawks for example.

Toews/Kane/Hossa/Sharp
Thornton/Marleau/Pavelski/Couture
Sedin/Sedin/Kesler/Burrows

Big drop off for us when it comes to 4th highest paid forward.
- dshiddy

Regardless of the fact we disagree about his value, he's still not a waste when he's a contributing member of the team, which I doubt anyone would argue against.

It's an enormous hyperbole to call it a waste even if you think he's overpaid.


I agree it's a drop off compared to SJ, but Couture and Pavelski are both making $6m, so in terms of value, Burrows is just fine at $4.5m.

SJ's forward depth is pretty impressive.

I don't get why Booth would be sat out, waived, sent down, etc while scrubs like Weise and Sestito are on the team. You only need one punching bad not w, at least Booth has some offensive ability when he's on his game. He's not a soft or slow player either, so playing him bottom 6 minutes over Weise or Sestito makes more sense than dressing Alberts to play one shift.

Regardless of the fact we disagree about his value, he's still not a waste when he's a contributing member of the team, which I doubt anyone would argue against.

It's an enormous hyperbole to call it a waste even if you think he's overpaid.


I agree it's a drop off compared to SJ, but Couture and Pavelski are both making $6m, so in terms of value, Burrows is just fine at $4.5m.

SJ's forward depth is pretty impressive.
- Fosco

No kidding!

Burrows is not worth 4.5m per year. He was when he was making 2m, but not anymore. Look at the Sharks and Hawks for example.

Toews/Kane/Hossa/Sharp
Thornton/Marleau/Pavelski/Couture
Sedin/Sedin/Kesler/Burrows

Big drop off for us when it comes to 4th highest paid forward.
- dshiddy

San Jose's top 4 highest paid forwards: Thornton, Marleau, Burns, Havlat

When their new contracts kick in next season every one of those players makes more (most significantly) than Burrows.

Burrows is absolutely worth $4.5M still. Hard to say whether he'll be worth it at the end of his contract right now, but him being worth $4.5M has absolutely nothing to do with whether he's as good as the Blackhawks or Sharks 4th highest paid forward.

I don't get why Booth would be sat out, waived, sent down, etc while scrubs like Weise and Sestito are on the team. You only need one punching bad not w, at least Booth has some offensive ability when he's on his game. He's not a soft or slow player either, so playing him bottom 6 minutes over Weise or Sestito makes more sense than dressing Alberts to play one shift.
- Nucker101

Agreed. As far as I can tell, the Canucks have not been scored on this season when Booth has been on the ice. Alberts had one shift last night and got scored on.

Agreed.

Not a bad idea, if they're already stuck with his salary.

He's either claimed, gets the message and improves after a while in the AHL, or gives a boost to the forward corps in Utica.

I don't really see any huge negative in any of those scenarios, except that the team is still stuck with his salary anyway with the last two.
- Fosco

If he isn`t part of the solution...

If he gets his act together in Utica, and can bring it to the NHL, it is like a trade and improved team. If he doesn`t get his act together and is in Utica, well at least he isn`t a distraction on the Canucks and hopefully someone who is contributing more is playing in his place.

Just noticed Connauton is up with the Stars, doesn`t appear to have played yet but at least he is with the big club. Just seems funny that he was a noted prospect on the Canucks and never did get his chance with the Canucks.

Always wonder if there is a window where you either make the step or you don`t with some players.

Agreed. As far as I can tell, the Canucks have not been scored on this season when Booth has been on the ice. Alberts had one shift last night and got scored on.
- KB3Point0

Yeah, he's historically been a good puck possession player, like you mentioned he hasn't played much over the last few months either, clearly he's overpaid and not living up to the trade/contract but he deserves to be in the lineup over others.

Contracts shouldn't matter to the coach, play your best best lineup and lines. I like that he sat him for one game to send a message, now put him back in and see if he's received it. I'm sure Gillis got the memo as well.

Yeah, he's historically been a good puck possession player, like you mentioned he hasn't played much over the last few months either, clearly he's overpaid and not living up to the trade/contract but he deserves to be in the lineup over others.

Contracts shouldn't matter to the coach, play your best best lineup and lines. I like that he sat him for one game to send a message, now put him back in and see if he's received it. I'm sure Gillis got the memo as well.
- Nucker101

But he's supposed to be an impact forward.

I don't really think he's doing any better in that role than Weise or Sestito are doing in theirs.

IMO, it's worth taking a drastic measure if it sends the message. What if this is the kick in the ass he needs to become that player--maybe Tortarella thinks he's not giving enough effort.

You might as well try it at this point in the season. Might not work, but it's at the point where they need to try something drastic with him to see what they have before the buyout period is over, and it's better now than at the end of the season.

At worst, he gets claimed, or helps the offence in Utica, in which case he'll hopefully help the forward prospects there in some way and take a million off the books.

If it sends the message, then they're better off and he comes back up.

Seems extreme, but I don't see it as any worse than sitting in the press box.

I don't get why Booth would be sat out, waived, sent down, etc while scrubs like Weise and Sestito are on the team. You only need one punching bad not w, at least Booth has some offensive ability when he's on his game. He's not a soft or slow player either, so playing him bottom 6 minutes over Weise or Sestito makes more sense than dressing Alberts to play one shift.
- Nucker101

If I can put my serious hat on for a moment. Rick Wilson was my coach in junior, he went on to have a good /decent coaching career. The coaches I've played for always broke the game down for each individual player, outside of the team concept.

Comparing Sestito or Weise to Booth is irrelevant when you're looking to get Booth going. You don't sit Sestito or Weise because David Booth isn't playing well (DB demoted to the 4th line), conversely, you don't give more responsibility to Sestito or Weise because Booth isn't playing well. Do you see what I'm getting at? Sestito and Weise are doing what they're getting paid for, Booth is not!

David Booth is paid to be a top nine guy, if he's not providing that, you send him a message. Period end of story.

But he's supposed to be an impact forward.

I don't really think he's doing any better in that role than Weise or Sestito are doing in theirs.

IMO, it's worth taking a drastic measure if it sends the message. What if this is the kick in the ass he needs to become that player--maybe Tortarella thinks he's not giving enough effort.

You might as well try it at this point in the season. Might not work, but it's at the point where they need to try something drastic with him to see what they have before the buyout period is over, and it's better now than at the end of the season.

At worst, he gets claimed, or helps the offence in Utica, in which case he'll hopefully help the forward prospects there in some way and take a million off the books.

If it sends the message, then they're better off and he comes back up.

Seems extreme, but I don't see it as any worse than sitting in the press box.
- Fosco

I'd rather see how he responds over the next few games after being scratched for essentially nobody(Alberts' one shift). Waiving him this early just to save 1 million dollars in cap space is pointless IMO, unless of course Gillis is targeting players via trade that require an extra million in cap space. I don't see Booth as a great playmaker/passer of the puck that will get any of the AHL forwards going, he's not really known as a leader either. Definitely not a player/coach type like mike Keane for the Moose was and what Nolan Baumgartner was for the Moose/Wolves.

He hasn't played a whole lot of hockey over the past few months, I say give him another 10 games or so and see if he improves at all and then look at your options at that point. Way too early to waive him and send him down right now, especially since the entire team still hasn't fully grasped Torts' system. If this was happening under AV again and we were 20 games into the season then I'd totally agree with you.

If I can put my serious hat on for a moment. Rick Wilson was my coach in junior, he went on to have a good /decent coaching career. The coaches I've played for always broke the game down for each individual player, outside of the team concept.

Comparing Sestito or Weise to Booth is irrelevant when you're looking to get Booth going. You don't sit Sestito or Weise because David Booth isn't playing well (DB demoted to the 4th line), conversely, you don't give more responsibility to Sestito or Weise because Booth isn't playing well. Do you see what I'm getting at? Sestito and Weise are doing what they're getting paid for, Booth is not!

David Booth is paid to be a top nine guy, if he's not providing that, you send him a message. Period end of story.
- LeftCoaster

Check out my edit. IMO sitting him out for a game was just fine, but to do it again or waive him is too far when you consider everything.

Burrows is not worth 4.5m per year. He was when he was making 2m, but not anymore. Look at the Sharks and Hawks for example.

Toews/Kane/Hossa/Sharp
Thornton/Marleau/Pavelski/Couture
Sedin/Sedin/Kesler/Burrows

Big drop off for us when it comes to 4th highest paid forward.
- dshiddy

Yeah, Burrows has had an off year last year, but look at Sharp, he's doing the same thing this year.