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bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Oct 23 @ 1:45 PM ET
Calgary keeping Monahan all year. Tough call, but I would have played it safe and sent him back.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 23 @ 1:50 PM ET
Out of curiosity, does anyone collect hockey cards? Or did anyone collect in the post-2005 lockout era?
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Oct 23 @ 1:55 PM ET
Calgary keeping Monahan all year. Tough call, but I would have played it safe and sent him back.
- bradleyc4


Isn't he their leading goal scorer?
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Oct 23 @ 1:55 PM ET
Calgary keeping Monahan all year. Tough call, but I would have played it safe and sent him back.
- bradleyc4


Keeping him probably makes the GM's job more safe.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Oct 23 @ 1:57 PM ET
Out of curiosity, does anyone collect hockey cards? Or did anyone collect in the post-2005 lockout era?
- jmatchett383


I did.
Trainfellow
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 06.23.2012

Oct 23 @ 2:07 PM ET
Out of curiosity, does anyone collect hockey cards? Or did anyone collect in the post-2005 lockout era?
- jmatchett383


I used to collect, but mostly 90s era nothing post lockout
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Oct 23 @ 2:07 PM ET
Isn't he their leading goal scorer?
- johndewar


Tied for second.

But he's shooting an unsustainable 29%, heavily sheltered vs. weak competition and seeing mostly offensive zone starts.

None of those are criticisms of how you should handle a 19-year-old in the NHL, just facts pointing towards regression, as well as the inevitable rookie wall.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Oct 23 @ 2:08 PM ET
Keeping him probably makes the GM's job more safe.
- Feanor


That's the kind of short-term thinking that someone above the GM should be monitoring.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Oct 23 @ 2:09 PM ET
Only if JvR gets to play with Evgeni Malkin on the reg.
- johndewar


He seems to be doing ok with Kessel.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Oct 23 @ 2:11 PM ET
Did you see the JvR Kessel show last night?
If not, watch the highlights.


- Marc D


I watch a bunch of Leafs games. I'm a masochist.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Oct 23 @ 2:13 PM ET
That's the kind of short-term thinking that someone above the GM should be monitoring.
- bradleyc4


So should Seth Jones and MacKinnon be sent back to Junior to be "safe"?
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Oct 23 @ 2:13 PM ET
That's the kind of short-term thinking that someone above the GM should be monitoring.
- bradleyc4


It's a tough call. His play has basically forced their hand. Flames are playing some solid hockey right now. Would be a tough sell to their fans sending him back.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Oct 23 @ 2:20 PM ET
So should Seth Jones, Barkov and MacKinnon be sent back to Junior to be "safe"?
- Feanor


Every case is different. But if you're not getting top-6 ES minutes (as a forward) plus some special teams play, I would send the player back.

There's a host of reasons why, but the biggest is that I personally feel that playing top dog on your junior team (in all situations) is better for a young player's development than toiling around with 12-15 minutes of sheltered ice time in the NHL.

I also look at an organization like the Red Wings -- who are often regarded as one of the best at developing its players -- and see how they do it. Notoriously slow development of their youngsters.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Oct 23 @ 2:28 PM ET
Tied for second.

But he's shooting an unsustainable 29%, heavily sheltered vs. weak competition and seeing mostly offensive zone starts.

None of those are criticisms of how you should handle a 19-year-old in the NHL, just facts pointing towards regression, as well as the inevitable rookie wall.

- bradleyc4

When did you become the stats guy? The kid's playing great. There's no reason to send him back.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Oct 23 @ 2:29 PM ET
Tied for second.

But he's shooting an unsustainable 29%, heavily sheltered vs. weak competition and seeing mostly offensive zone starts.

None of those are criticisms of how you should handle a 19-year-old in the NHL, just facts pointing towards regression, as well as the inevitable rookie wall.

- bradleyc4


Sounds about right.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Oct 23 @ 2:29 PM ET
Let's make a trade. Just for poops and giggles.

Let me get Bergevin on the line.

BRB.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Oct 23 @ 2:31 PM ET
Let's make a trade. Just for poops and giggles.

Let me get Bergevin on the line.

BRB.

- Pecafan Fan

Nice Avatar. Very stylish. I like it.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Oct 23 @ 2:32 PM ET
Nice Avatar. Very stylish. I like it.

- mayorofangrytown


ty, Sir.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 23 @ 2:32 PM ET
That's the kind of short-term thinking that someone above the GM should be monitoring.
- bradleyc4



If the kid is showing that he belongs in the NHL, then they're making the right choice to keep him. growing pains are inevitable regardless, so let him go through them now if they happen.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 23 @ 2:35 PM ET
Every case is different. But if you're not getting top-6 ES minutes (as a forward) plus some special teams play, I would send the player back.

There's a host of reasons why, but the biggest is that I personally feel that playing top dog on your junior team (in all situations) is better for a young player's development than toiling around with 12-15 minutes of sheltered ice time in the NHL.

I also look at an organization like the Red Wings -- who are often regarded as one of the best at developing its players -- and see how they do it. Notoriously slow development of their youngsters.

- bradleyc4



It really depends. I don't think that Scott Laughton currently playing top dog for his Junior team is better then if they had kept him in the NHL. A young player that is capable of playing in the NHL, should be in the NHL. You get better by playing against tough competition. And against players that are better then you are. Not by beating up on younger and less mature players as a whole.
mrhattrick27
New York Rangers
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Oct 23 @ 2:36 PM ET
No Hank tomorrow.... I'm hoping this isn't a poop show
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Oct 23 @ 2:40 PM ET
It really depends. I don't think that Scott Laughton currently playing top dog for his Junior team is better then if they had kept him in the NHL. A young player that is capable of playing in the NHL, should be in the NHL. You get better by playing against tough competition. And against players that are better then you are. Not by beating up on younger and less mature players as a whole.
- MJL


There's no hard evidence that either philosophy works better.

To me, it boils down to what the NHL game can do to an 18 or 19-year-old body. It's a rough sport and most teenagers aren't at the physical compete level of guys in their 20's and 30's.

So, to me, it's riskier to keep them in the NHL. And that's what it's all about for me and what I believe -- risk management.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Oct 23 @ 2:44 PM ET
No Hank tomorrow.... I'm hoping this isn't a poop show
- mrhattrick27
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It will be .. 7-0 Rangers.. we don't do well against other team's backup tenders.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Oct 23 @ 2:45 PM ET
No Hank tomorrow.... I'm hoping this isn't a poop show
- mrhattrick27

Have no fear, due to a translation error in the Flyers' organization, they spell "opposing backup goalie" this way: "Reigning Vezina winner."
missingmike
Joined: 07.08.2011

Oct 23 @ 2:45 PM ET
No Hank tomorrow.... I'm hoping this isn't a poop show
- mrhattrick27


No worries, Flyers usually make back up goalies look like Vezina finalists
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