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PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 23 @ 10:19 AM ET
Schenn's long term potential may be better at wing, but for now I think its best to keep him where he is comfortable. As you know, I am NOT a big fan of Simmonds defensive game, but I'd rather see him with defensively responsible players like Couturier and Read, rather than guys like VL and Schenn.

RE Hall vs Rinaldo
I'm pretty much ok with either. Rinaldo brings energy to the lineup and that, to me, is a positive. However, Hall wins faceoffs and kills penalties and is solid in his role. Neither would likely see more than 5-6 minutes per game at even strength, so it all depends on how vital they feel Hall is to the PK.

- BiggE


With this team's lack of speed, I would rather have Rinaldo. Couturier has shown to be a much better face-off man this year. That makes Hall a little more expendable. Although, moving Vinny to wing takes away his value on faceoffs.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Oct 23 @ 10:24 AM ET
With this team's lack of speed, I would rather have Rinaldo. Couturier has shown to be a much better face-off man this year. That makes Hall a little more expendable. Although, moving Vinny to wing takes away his value on faceoffs.
- PhillySportsGuy


I think having Vinny there helps them if G gets kicked out of the circle.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 23 @ 10:26 AM ET
I think having Vinny there helps them if G gets kicked out of the circle.
- johndewar


I'm totally in favor of moving Vinny to the top line with G. I have wanted that from the very beginning.

Voracek and G scored a lot of points together last year, but they didn't have the same chemistry that the 19-28-68 line had. I've always liked Giroux with a veteran natural scorer. Vinny won't hesitate to shoot the puck like Voracek does.
77rams
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There's a kind of freedom in being completely screwed...
Joined: 09.12.2006

Oct 23 @ 10:31 AM ET
Getting ready to head to my flight to Key West!

I'll check in during or after the Ranger game, have a good day all!!

- BiggE


Say hello to the cats at Hemingway's house.
flyguy12
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Columbus, OH
Joined: 10.22.2006

Oct 23 @ 10:38 AM ET
I think on paper, the Flyers are a stronger team with Lecavalier centering the 2nd line. But with the offensive woes the team has been having, anything is worth a try. As far as roster moves are concerned. I think Gill and Newbury should be sent down. With Rosehill remaining as the 13th forward.
- MJL


I agree on Vinny, i think Chief is trying to kick start Giroux.
flyguy12
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Columbus, OH
Joined: 10.22.2006

Oct 23 @ 10:40 AM ET
Getting ready to head to my flight to Key West!

I'll check in during or after the Ranger game, have a good day all!!

- BiggE


Next time fly to Miami and then rent a car & drive to Key West. It's a beautiful ride.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Oct 23 @ 10:43 AM ET
Next time fly to Miami and then rent a car & drive to Key West. It's a beautiful ride.
- flyguy12


I've done this same thing, but from Ft. Lauderdale.

Agree, it's a tremendous ride.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Oct 23 @ 10:44 AM ET
Say hello to the cats at Hemingway's house.
- 77rams


Say hello to Happy Hour at Irish Kevin's.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 23 @ 10:44 AM ET
With this team's lack of speed, I would rather have Rinaldo. Couturier has shown to be a much better face-off man this year. That makes Hall a little more expendable. Although, moving Vinny to wing takes away his value on faceoffs.
- PhillySportsGuy


If you do sit Hall and have a key defensive face-off with your 4th line out (assuming it's not off an icing), you could always take Rinaldo out of the equation at the face-off and have Vinny/G take it and the change as soon as the puck's out of the zone.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Oct 23 @ 10:47 AM ET
If you do sit Hall and have a key defensive face-off with your 4th line out (assuming it's not off an icing), you could always take Rinaldo out of the equation at the face-off and have Vinny/G take it and the change as soon as the puck's out of the zone.
- jmatchett383


Talbot has been better on draws than Hall so far this season anyway.

Vinny and BSchenn have both struggled at under 40%.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Oct 23 @ 10:51 AM ET
good lord, do we need a game.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 23 @ 10:51 AM ET
Talbot has been better on draws than Hall so far this season anyway.

Vinny and BSchenn have both struggled at under 40%.

- Feanor


Well he's only taken 16 (by the same token, Hall's only taken 32), and I don't think he's ever been over 50% when playing as a full-time center. Hall's usually in the mid-to-upper 50% region most years.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Oct 23 @ 10:53 AM ET
good lord, do we need a game.
- hammarby31

Correction: we need a win.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Oct 23 @ 10:54 AM ET
Correction: we need a win.
- BulliesPhan87


do we? do we REALLY?
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Oct 23 @ 11:02 AM ET
do we? do we REALLY?
- hammarby31

Just a little bit. I mean, they've got a wide margin for error with the record they've earned.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 23 @ 11:06 AM ET
Talbot has been better on draws than Hall so far this season anyway.

Vinny and BSchenn have both struggled at under 40%.

- Feanor



Chalk it up to extremely small sample size... Hall's % will go up and Talbot's will drop like a rock with more exposure. I think Talbot only ever takes draws when somebody's kicked out of the circle, so he could have an advantage over somebody's who's been stooped over for 10-15 seconds longer.

Nice to see Couturier doing well so far at the dot.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Oct 23 @ 11:15 AM ET
Longtime Flyers defenseman Brad Marsh's first blog for HB is now up top center on the site. He talked about playing his first NHL game (Bobby Orr was on the other side) and his first NHL fight, which happened to come against the Flyers' Mel Bridgman -- the guy for whom he was eventually traded to Philly.

Good stuff.

Marc D
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: best smile, 14 without fake tees
Joined: 03.28.2008

Oct 23 @ 11:17 AM ET
The new line combos are fine.

I don't think it will have a huge effect long term.

The big problem is still unchanged (the D mix), but I like most would be encouraged to see more skill on the team with Raffl and McGinn staying and Newberry back down with Rosehilll as #13.

Will they have an opportunity to pick up a defender with puck skills this season, or wait things out with the players they already have is the big question.

I'm intrigued hearing Kulikov's name thrown into trade rumors.
I sure hope if true Homer makes a strong inquiry there.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Oct 23 @ 11:21 AM ET
They're obvious upgrades over guys like Newbury and Rosehill and belong in the NHL. Whereas, the latter two do not.
- bradleyc4



Absolutely.

Is it just me or does Hartnell look like he has become more of a perimeter guy since playing with Jagr and G a few years ago. I know he has a lot of success setting up high slot on those one timers but I want the guy playing more like McGinn.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Oct 23 @ 11:23 AM ET
The only problem I have with keeping McGinn up is that he'll probably play on the 4th line. He's much more effective when he's playing with skilled players who get the puck to the net. I almost feel like he's being wasted on the 4th line and might as well get top line minutes in the AHL.
- PhillySportsGuy



I'd sooner have McGinn on the 4th line than Rosehill or Newberry
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Oct 23 @ 11:33 AM ET
Absolutely.

Is it just me or does Hartnell look like he has become more of a perimeter guy since playing with Jagr and G a few years ago. I know he has a lot of success setting up high slot on those one timers but I want the guy playing more like McGinn.

- nastyflyergirl



they all look like perimeter guys right now. except mcginn maybe.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Oct 23 @ 11:39 AM ET
Absolutely.

Is it just me or does Hartnell look like he has become more of a perimeter guy since playing with Jagr and G a few years ago. I know he has a lot of success setting up high slot on those one timers but I want the guy playing more like McGinn.

- nastyflyergirl

It's hard to say. He's barely played this season. I know he needs to get more involved than he was in the games he's played. He's the kind of player that excels when he's emotionally connected to the game and he can drag the whole team along with him. I didn't see a lot of that last year or in the small sample size this year.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Oct 23 @ 11:39 AM ET
they all look like perimeter guys right now. except mcginn maybe.
- hammarby31



good point. but that said, Hartnell has to crash the net and be a pain in the ass in front of the net.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Oct 23 @ 11:40 AM ET
It's hard to say. He's barely played this season. I know he needs to get more involved than he was in the games he's played. He's the kind of player that excels when he's emotionally connected to the game and he can drag the whole team along with him. I didn't see a lot of that last year or in the small sample size this year.
- mayorofangrytown



I thought he was getting away from that game last year too.
PhillySportsGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: any donut with a hole in the middle can get (frank)ed right in its hole, NJ
Joined: 04.08.2012

Oct 23 @ 11:40 AM ET
I'd sooner have McGinn on the 4th line than Rosehill or Newberry
- nastyflyergirl


I agree but is that what's best for the player? Getting 10 mpg with unskilled players who are simply looking to energize the team and not allow a goal. Maybe a little 2nd unit PP time mixed in.

Hindsight is 20/20, but I wish the Flyers would have just waited a year to give Hartnell an extension. They would have then gotten a discount or could have gone with McGinn and saved money.
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