Lets say if he skated off on his own ability, but still has a concussion and cuts to the face, does it make it any less suspendable of a play? I just think you cant get too emotional when looking the end result to sway your judgement. Sure it sucks that it ended up like how it did but is the play any more dangerous or reckless bc of it. I know you want to feel sorry deep down for it and do the right thing but thats why its a tough job, you have to be cold and remove all emotion from it. If they start doing that looking at the end result, players can arguee well he deserved it, look at what he did to me here, here, and here leading up to the play, he provoked me to hit him.

Ill use the Landy and Brad Stuart thing from last year, they looked at the play and said it wasnt to be reviewed as suspendedable, but Landeskog still had a concussion and missed 10 games bc of it. It was borderline hit to the head but Landy went down and was able to leave the game by himself.
- DDM-Coga

I think we agree more than disagree. What I'm saying is they DO look at those things when making a judgement. If Kronwall pops up, we are having a discussion of "if" rather than "how many". You are actually making my point. I don't know about the hit you are talking about so I can't comment. I have seen many a Stuart hits when he was at Detroit. Many a clean hits where people's head snap back which can cause a concussion. The greater risk is obviously is when one actually hits the head.

I think we agree more than disagree. What I'm saying is they DO look at those things when making a judgement. If Kronwall pops up, we are having a discussion of "if" rather than "how many". You are actually making my point. I don't know about the hit you are talking about so I can't comment. I have seen many a Stuart hits when he was at Detroit. Many a clean hits where people's head snap back which can cause a concussion. The greater risk is obviously is when one actually hits the head.
- MedicineMan

I think they shouldnt be looking at it though, it should be the hit and what happens before or after it shouldnt change the evulation of the play. But I agree with you, its hard not to look at all that.

It was the 4th game into last season, open ice hit, suicide pass. Landeskog wasnt looking and got caught with Stuarts shoulder to the head by turning into the hit. You just never know what the league is going to do, they are very random when it comes to accessing what is suspendable and what isnt.

I think they shouldnt be looking at it though, it should be the hit and what happens before or after it shouldnt change the evulation of the play. But I agree with you, its hard not to look at all that.

It was the 4th game into last season, open ice hit, suicide pass. Landeskog wasnt looking and got caught with Stuarts shoulder to the head by turning into the hit. You just never know what the league is going to do, they are very random when it comes to accessing what is suspendable and what isnt.
- DDM-Coga

+1

Yeah, I have no idea why he turned inward like that at the last moment, foolish on his part but Mcleod should have let up a bit. He must have just been so focused on making an impact in this game he just bulldozed him. I wish the guy the best.
- Meeqsb

He turned inward to (try) to miss the check and not be knocked off the puck.

Terrible play, but McLeod didn't have any intent. I am sure he expected Kronwall to keep moving around the corner which would've ended in a more body to body hit, but Kronwall makes a nice move and McLeod still caught him. Mcleod is responsible on this play, but it was just a hockey play gone wrong.

He turned inward to (try) to miss the check and not be knocked off the puck.

Terrible play, but McLeod didn't have any intent. I am sure he expected Kronwall to keep moving around the corner which would've ended in a more body to body hit, but Kronwall makes a nice move and McLeod still caught him. Mcleod is responsible on this play, but it was just a hockey play gone wrong.
- Blackstrom2

I agree, its just such a messy play that went wrong. If Kronwall doesnt turn like that, its just a normal hockey play, maybe borderline boarding depending on how he rides him into the boards. If McLeod bails he could get chewed out not finishing his check as that is his role on the 4th line. It all could have been avoided in multple ways, it wasnt one player making the decision to hit him from behind, both players made choices that resulted in it.

I see it being a very small suspension, max 2-3 games. I cant believe some of the comments that have been on TSN about it, 10-15 Games, saying he is a goon, worthless hockey player, and we dont need guys like that in the league, intent to hurt, etc.

Holland told reports that Kronwall is listed as day to day and may even be available for Saturday's game. I really hope he is scratched at least as a precaution.

To me it looked like he turned the way he did because he checked over his shoulder to make a decision about what to do with the puck when he got there. But then overskated the puck and had to turn that way to protect it.

I will be interested to see what the decision handed down from Shanny on Lapierre is today, because the two plays were very similar, especially from an offending player's perspective. Both guys were trying to be hard on the forecheck and take the body on their man. I think Lapierre's suspension will be longer due to the fact that Boyle no longer had the puck when the check was finished, and Lapierre's prior record, but think the two hits will be looked at similarly.

Its too bad since that is a serious blemish on what otherwise was a fantastic hockey game. Really wish there were more games between these teams this year and that there was potential for a playoff matchup outside of the finals.
The Av's showed a lot of character in their second period push. I really thought we were in trouble when they tied it up.

Holland told reports that Kronwall is listed as day to day and may even be available for Saturday's game. I really hope he is scratched at least as a precaution.

To me it looked like he turned the way he did because he checked over his shoulder to make a decision about what to do with the puck when he got there. But then overskated the puck and had to turn that way to protect it.

I will be interested to see what the decision handed down from Shanny on Lapierre is today, because the two plays were very similar, especially from an offending player's perspective. Both guys were trying to be hard on the forecheck and take the body on their man. I think Lapierre's suspension will be longer due to the fact that Boyle no longer had the puck when the check was finished, and Lapierre's prior record, but think the two hits will be looked at similarly.

Its too bad since that is a serious blemish on what otherwise was a fantastic hockey game. Really wish there were more games between these teams this year and that there was potential for a playoff matchup outside of the finals.
The Av's showed a lot of character in their second period push. I really thought we were in trouble when they tied it up.
- JohnnySoze

My guess Lap gets 5 and McLeod gets 3.

I thought the Avs had it goign into the 3rd, those few open net somehow the puck staying out plays was the turning point for me. If the Avs got the puck to bounce their way, and take the lead early in the 3rd, I think their speed would have taken over.

It was a good game, lots of positives to take from it even in a lose. As Roy said if thats how we play in a losing effort, we wont lose very often.

My guess Lap gets 5 and McLeod gets 3.

I thought the Avs had it goign into the 3rd, those few open net somehow the puck staying out plays was the turning point for me. If the Avs got the puck to bounce their way, and take the lead early in the 3rd, I think their speed would have taken over.

It was a good game, lots of positives to take from it even in a lose. As Roy said if thats how we play in a losing effort, we wont lose very often.
- DDM-Coga

I agree, Avs are showing they can compete every night. It's looking good for you guys.

I agree, Avs are showing they can compete every night. It's looking good for you guys.
- Scabeh

good to see price bouncing back nicely as well. Should be seeing him and Subban starting in Sochi. Now just make sure we have room for Duchene to join them

Ha ha Tommy..uptight at all. His rep. IMO would be as an enforcer rather than a dirty player. When I think of the Avs, and that role, his name pops in my mind. Personally, I don't know regarding him being suspended, it was a question.

5 games takes in account that he left the game and didn't come back. Stretcher effect. They take all that into account. I don't think there was any real malice. Just the guys first shift maybe.

Regarding Stuart, never had a suspension before that for a hit. Stick infraction. His 3 wasn't for a hit from behind. I'm still sticking with 5. Could be 3. I would be surprised if it was 3 because it was from behind. FWIW.

And Tommy don't be so sensitive. Alfie wouldn't have bolted if Murray wouldn't have been so cheap
- MedicineMan

Melnyk. If Melnyk hadn't been so cheap.

I just get so riled up at these discussions, nothing against you personally, apologies for the wing fan jab but to me, if you can't put any contact on a guy if he might turn his back along the boards, then we're getting damn near taking checking out of the game completely.

It's bad enough that a guy has to deal with being jumped and the play stopping after every clean hit that knocks someone off their feet, now guys have to worry about lengthy suspensions if a guy they're trying to rub out along the boards puts himself in a vulnerable position? I just don't agree with it.

And then worst of all, you have idiot star players like Ovechkin running people all game long, and never a word about it.

good to see price bouncing back nicely as well. Should be seeing him and Subban starting in Sochi. Now just make sure we have room for Duchene to join them
- DDM-Coga

Can duchene play wing?

Can duchene play wing?
- TommyDeVito

yup, he has played LW with Stastny as a top line 2 seasons ago, and has played wing during some World Championships

good to see price bouncing back nicely as well. Should be seeing him and Subban starting in Sochi. Now just make sure we have room for Duchene to join them
- DDM-Coga

Without a doubt. He'll probably be top 10 in scoring barring injuries by the time they set the rosters.

Stamkos-Crosby-Duchene sounds like a half decent line to me.

Without a doubt. He'll probably be top 10 in scoring barring injuries by the time they set the rosters.

Stamkos-Crosby-Duchene sounds like a half decent line to me.
- canadianpenfan

Dont tease me with such things. But I do seeing him and Crosby being on a line together. You have to think their summers training together on and off the ice, they have probably started to form a little line chemistry in that regards.

Without a doubt. He'll probably be top 10 in scoring barring injuries by the time they set the rosters.

Stamkos-Crosby-Duchene sounds like a half decent line to me.
- canadianpenfan

That would be a sick line if Dutchy is able to produce as a winger.

Lapierre given 5 games for his hit on Boyle,

Thoughts on what Cody Mac will be looking at?

Lapierre given 5 games for his hit on Boyle,

Thoughts on what Cody Mac will be looking at?
- AvsAnonymous

He should just get a few. Intent wasn't there. You know, with a lot of these guys making these decisions being former players, it boggles my mind that they don't understand or forgot how fast the game is. Really, what do you expect McLeod to do there after Kronwall makes that move?