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ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Oct 18 @ 9:09 PM ET
Haha. good one. I'm in Vancouver on a business trip kinda stuck here for the weekend, and of course the Canucks are doing their East Coast swing. Anyone have recommendations for what to do?
- TheGreat28


Why don't you go see the WHL Vancouver Giants......The game starts at 7:30 out there.....the ticket will cost you $19 to $24

http://www.vancouvergiants.com/tic_single
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Oct 18 @ 9:11 PM ET
ThisTeam is like Obamacare.... Just not as good as advertised
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 18 @ 9:13 PM ET
Akeson the cover story on http://www.theahl.com

New top line
Akeson - Akeson - Akeson

By the way, Phantoms not looking to upstage the big boys, losing 5-2 to the Baby Pens. Nick Cousins and Bruno "Holy poop He's Still Playing" Gervais with the goals.
exlund
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Manywhere, NJ
Joined: 02.16.2007

Oct 18 @ 9:14 PM ET
Oh man, am watching the Blues/Jets Trouba just went face first into the end boards on the forecheck...the Blues player kind of swooped in to get the puck and he went over him and faceplanted...taken off in a stretcher.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 18 @ 9:15 PM ET
Hell, players taken off the ice in a stretcher is becoming epidemic. How many is that this Season?
exlund
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Manywhere, NJ
Joined: 02.16.2007

Oct 18 @ 9:16 PM ET
Akeson the cover story on http://www.theahl.com

New top line
Akeson - Akeson - Akeson

By the way, Phantoms not looking to upstage the big boys, losing 5-2 to the Baby Pens. Nick Cousins and Bruno "Holy poop He's Still Playing" Gervais with the goals.

- jmatchett383


“Jason is a player who can put goals up and be a point producer, and he makes other people better players on the line,” said Murray. “He’s really been a go-to guy when it comes to special teams and power play, and we’re looking to just continue to build on his success from last year.”

The kid deserves a shot at the big show...
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Oct 18 @ 9:16 PM ET
Hell, players taken off the ice in a stretcher is becoming epidemic. How many is that this Season?
- MJL


Too many.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 18 @ 9:17 PM ET
Hell, players taken off the ice in a stretcher is becoming epidemic. How many is that this Season?
- MJL


The NHL will do nothing about this until it happens to a star player, at which time they will eliminate hitting completely.

No, Really. I wish I was joking.
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Oct 18 @ 9:17 PM ET
Well you can change the definition of proven to whatever it takes for you to make a case. But that doesn't fly. You can't penalize a player because of a strike shortened 48 game Season. And the excuses you use to try and discredit players such as Read's 20+ goal Season doesn't fly either. Because those same reasons apply to every team. Bottom line is that the Flyers have 6 players who have proven that they can score 20 goals in a Season. That can't be disputed. And it's also a possibility that B Schenn reaches that mark, although he is not proven as a 20 goal scorer. But he is currently scoring at a 20 goal pace.

Giroux 2 time 20 goal scorer. Scored at a 22 goal pace in a shortened Season
Lecavalier 12 time 20 goal scorer.
Voracek scored 18 goals in 11/12 and scored 22 goals in 48 games last Season
Simmonds 28 goals in 11/12 Scored 15 goals in 45GP last year 27 goal pace
Read 24 goals in 11/12 scored 11 in 42GP last Season 21 goal pace
Hartnell scored 20 or more goals 6 times in a Season.Hartnell,g,read,voracheck,coots on pace for 0 this season proven baby!

Scoring 20 goals in a Season is proving that they player has the ability to do so. Especially when it's backed up by scoring at a 20 goal pace in the 48 game season.

- MJL

exlund
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Manywhere, NJ
Joined: 02.16.2007

Oct 18 @ 9:18 PM ET
Hell, players taken off the ice in a stretcher is becoming epidemic. How many is that this Season?
- MJL



I'm surprised none of them have been Flyers...

::knocks on Sherwood::
TheGreat28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chadds Ford, PA
Joined: 06.20.2010

Oct 18 @ 9:18 PM ET
Well you can change the definition of proven to whatever it takes for you to make a case. But that doesn't fly. You can't penalize a player because of a strike shortened 48 game Season. And the excuses you use to try and discredit players such as Read's 20+ goal Season doesn't fly either. Because those same reasons apply to every team. Bottom line is that the Flyers have 6 players who have proven that they can score 20 goals in a Season. That can't be disputed. And it's also a possibility that B Schenn reaches that mark, although he is not proven as a 20 goal scorer. But he is currently scoring at a 20 goal pace.

Giroux 2 time 20 goal scorer. Scored at a 22 goal pace in a shortened Season
Lecavalier 12 time 20 goal scorer.
Voracek scored 18 goals in 11/12 and scored 22 goals in 48 games last Season
Simmonds 28 goals in 11/12 Scored 15 goals in 45GP last year 27 goal pace
Read 24 goals in 11/12 scored 11 in 42GP last Season 21 goal pace
Hartnell scored 20 or more goals 6 times in a Season.

Scoring 20 goals in a Season is proving that they player has the ability to do so.

- MJL


Told you we'd have a different definition of proven. Considering the Flyers anemic 5 on 5 play over the last 12 months, I'll stand by my position. But for now, I'm off to search out what Vancouver has to offer, so we'll just agree to disagree.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Oct 18 @ 9:18 PM ET
The NHL will do nothing about this until it happens to a star player, at which time they will eliminate hitting completely. Really. I wish I was joking.
- jmatchett383


Not all are done on purpose or with intent, some are just unfortunate accidents that no matter how much they try to make the game safer can not be predicted
exlund
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Manywhere, NJ
Joined: 02.16.2007

Oct 18 @ 9:19 PM ET
Not all are done on purpose or with intent, some are just unfortunate accidents that no matter how much they try to make the game safer can not be predicted
- ob18


yeah, this was more the accident variety...sort of akin to an icing race gone wrong.
TheGreat28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chadds Ford, PA
Joined: 06.20.2010

Oct 18 @ 9:19 PM ET
I Think someone answered this earlier? Internet and porn is I recall correctly
- SMS4016


Haha. That I could do at home.

(not that I would of course)

jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 18 @ 9:19 PM ET
Not all are done on purpose or with intent, some are just unfortunate accidents that no matter how much they try to make the game safer can not be predicted
- ob18


And the only way to prevent them is to eliminate hitting. They've been doing a good job so farr.

No hits to the head.
No collisions allowed on icings.
Just waiting for the next overreaction to a hit

yeah, this was more the accident variety...sort of akin to an icing race gone wrong.
- exlund


As to my point, only way to eliminate it is to eliminate hitting. But it will have to happen to a star.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 18 @ 9:20 PM ET
Told you we'd have a different definition of proven. Considering the Flyers anemic 5 on 5 play over the last 12 months, I'll stand by my position. But for now, I'm off to search out what Vancouver has to offer, so we'll just agree to disagree.
- TheGreat28


You have to look at why they're not scoring at 5 on 5 play. It's not due to a lack of talent.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Oct 18 @ 9:20 PM ET
yeah, this was more the accident variety...sort of akin to an icing race gone wrong.
- exlund


Soon they'll change the hybrid even more to something like juniors just whistle as soon as it crosses the goal line and eliminate a race all together.
exlund
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Manywhere, NJ
Joined: 02.16.2007

Oct 18 @ 9:21 PM ET
yeah, this was more the accident variety...sort of akin to an icing race gone wrong.
- exlund


Well, for the Buff haters, Jets likely wouldn't trade him if Trouba is out long term...
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Oct 18 @ 9:21 PM ET
Haha. That I could do at home.

(not that I would of course)


- TheGreat28


Go see the junior game
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Oct 18 @ 9:23 PM ET
Former Flyers pick Suellentrop drops the gloves
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 18 @ 9:24 PM ET
Go see the junior game
- ob18


You really should. Might not have another chance.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Oct 18 @ 9:25 PM ET
You really should. Might not have another chance.
- jmatchett383


The Vancouver Giants aren't good but still good value for seeing hockey.
TheGreat28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chadds Ford, PA
Joined: 06.20.2010

Oct 18 @ 9:25 PM ET
Go see the junior game
- ob18


Actually, I am going to do that. Thanks for the tip!!
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Oct 18 @ 9:26 PM ET
Actually, I am going to do that. Thanks for the tip!!
- TheGreat28


Enjoy.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Oct 18 @ 9:28 PM ET
Speaking of injuries a ref in this London/Oshawa games gets nailed with the puck on his knee/lower leg and has to leave.
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