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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 17 @ 8:58 PM ET
i wont simplify it to strictly an effort thing. but come on. look at this lineup and tell me it really lacks for goal scorers, on paper at least. i admit that the whole on paper thing is tricky, but thats where things like effort and chemistry do come into play. but just objectively, there are at least 5 or 6 guys who should be potting minimum of 20 goals on this team.
- stayinthefnnet


The Flyers have 6 proven 20+ goal scorers on this team. Schenn has the ability to score 20 if he has a good year. There is no shortage of offensive talent on this team.
nonpoint22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 02.16.2011

Oct 17 @ 8:58 PM ET


There's a difference between giving effort, and giving maximum effort. And raising your level of play like the Pens did that period. Can you really tell me you saw the Flyers playing with maximum effort and intensity that period? It's a simple game. You think you understand reality, but you don't. You think let's add a Vanek and it will be the miracle cure.
The Pens have a bunch of grinders to go along with the top players. And they out skated and outworked the Flyers in that period. It's that simple

- MJL


This needs a total rebuild...not saying Vanek wouldnt be nice but your right no one player is a miracle cure for what ails this squad this year
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Oct 17 @ 8:58 PM ET
No shutout baby!
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Oct 17 @ 8:59 PM ET
Shea Weber for B Schenn and Coots
Still having JVR
>

- Winning



In all sincerity they can't score as it is and taking away 2 young guys like Schenn and Couturier isn't going to help. really, having Weber and all defense and lacking offense really hasn't worked all that well for Nashville. I just hope the Flyers stay patient and build around the young core they have. of course that said, I know they won't. as much as I appreciate an owner who wants to win at all cost, I hate it.
wilsonecho91
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A dream to some...a nightmare to others, AK
Joined: 11.13.2007

Oct 17 @ 8:59 PM ET
Kimmo out for the game.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

Oct 17 @ 8:59 PM ET
Anyone else ACTUALLY watch the game and see the pens coast through the last period. That was practice for them, not outworking.
stayinthefnnet
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 01.12.2012

Oct 17 @ 8:59 PM ET
The Flyers have 6 proven 20+ goal scorers on this team. Schenn has the ability to score 20 if he has a good year. There is no shortage of offensive talent on this team.
- MJL

exactly. im right there with you man. for whatever reason, it hasnt been translating. but its not for lack of talent.

but hey, go give up a bunch of assets and then a fat contract for vanek.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Oct 17 @ 8:59 PM ET
Odd, same problems since before Stevens was the coach...so the solution is effort equals win? Hold the press let me tell every team they just need effort to win games, everyone will win the cup now


- Glak18


You can't win without maximum effort. It's that simple. This team won't win anything with the level of effort they gave in the 2nd period. They were standing still while the Pens skated around them.
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Oct 17 @ 8:59 PM ET
Timonen LBI oy
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Oct 17 @ 9:00 PM ET
I really like Steve Mason. So we have that going for us, which is nice.

edit: first RH goalie, I've ever said that about.

- wilsonecho91



me too. it feels weird.
AllInForFlyers
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Call Me Sweetcheeks
Joined: 03.18.2013

Oct 17 @ 9:00 PM ET


There's a difference between giving effort, and giving maximum effort. And raising your level of play like the Pens did that period. Can you really tell me you saw the Flyers playing with maximum effort and intensity that period? It's a simple game. You think you understand reality, but you don't. You think let's add a Vanek and it will be the miracle cure.

- MJL


Remember when you told you that I was going to check back with you in 60 days, and we'd see where we were then?

By all means, you keep right on trucking, MJL. You keep right on trucking. I'll keep right on reading your...insights.
FlyerGuy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 06.18.2007

Oct 17 @ 9:00 PM ET
I'm trying so hard to believe that the Flyers can find a way to build off of that last second goal.

Please, for the love of Bernie, show some heart out there boys!
-davies-
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: A medical emergency involving you.
Joined: 08.05.2013

Oct 17 @ 9:00 PM ET
Kimmo out for the game.
- wilsonecho91



vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Oct 17 @ 9:00 PM ET
Kimmo out for the game.
- wilsonecho91

he needs to retire
nonpoint22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 02.16.2011

Oct 17 @ 9:00 PM ET
Just mute this crap commentary like I did.
- Mangia_Bene


then I have to listen to my girlfriend yammer on and on...hmm jackson girlfriend, girlfriend jackson...your right mute it is
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Oct 17 @ 9:01 PM ET
Sorry too many words for you...effort not problem, playing hockey problem.
- Glak18

I was confused because your statement suggests that making a skater like Hartnell into a skater like St. Louis is the same as increasing effort levels and boosting confidence.
LJF
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Jersey Baby Jersey
Joined: 04.17.2009

Oct 17 @ 9:02 PM ET
Is it me or do the boys keep flubbing passes?
FlyersGrace
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Pronger "Play the game puffnuts!" , DE
Joined: 07.02.2012

Oct 17 @ 9:02 PM ET
Sell it Talbot. Such a pretty ballerina!
Was a penalty, but it was a touch much.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Oct 17 @ 9:02 PM ET
Breakouts are much better, and when they are paying attention they are much better defensively. The lack of scoring is infuriating.
- FlyersGrace

"the Flyers have enough scoring"

nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Oct 17 @ 9:02 PM ET
The Flyers have 6 proven 20+ goal scorers on this team. Schenn has the ability to score 20 if he has a good year. There is no shortage of offensive talent on this team.
- MJL


whats funny is as much as people moan about Schenn, he has been pretty good overall and has 5 points in 8 games
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Oct 17 @ 9:03 PM ET
ugh you have to bury that!
nonpoint22
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 02.16.2011

Oct 17 @ 9:04 PM ET
Kimmo out for the game.
- wilsonecho91


He given enough to this team...he doesnt need to labor anymore
BringBack25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: deep lurk
Joined: 01.03.2007

Oct 17 @ 9:04 PM ET
I dont see anything positive so far from this new coach, the team looks slow as hell
- vejim


geez, this is really surprising. usually you're so upbeat and positive.
hammarby31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's been 84 years, AZ
Joined: 01.02.2007

Oct 17 @ 9:04 PM ET
Kimmo out for the game.
- wilsonecho91


addition by subtraction. i look forward to hal gill next game.
LJF
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Jersey Baby Jersey
Joined: 04.17.2009

Oct 17 @ 9:04 PM ET
ugh you have to bury that!
- nastyflyergirl


This team doesn't know what that means
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