Dont even get me started with the erat trade lol that was a joke. Correct, some sabres fans are being un-realistic. I do however think they both have good value right now the way they are playing.
- Djtyczy

Of course they will get good value, especially Vanek ( because he's a forward and every playoff team needs another sniper at the deadline, or could at least use one). Rental goalies are different as the market is less busy. The Sabres will only get a big TDL return if a team is A) a legit playoff contender ,B) in need of a number one goalie, C) have a reasonable chance of resigning Miller.
How many teams fit that mould?

Of course they will get good value, especially Vanek ( because he's a forward and every playoff team needs another sniper at the deadline, or could at least use one). Rental goalies are different as the market is less busy. The Sabres will only get a big TDL return if a team is A) a legit playoff contender ,B) in need of a number one goalie, C) have a reasonable chance of resigning Miller.
How many teams fit that mould?
- Jeropotato

My opinion on a Miller deal has been some goalie will get hurt, and a team will be desperate.

waiting.....

where are these unrealistic expectations I've stated.....come on tough guy back up your post.....
- Iggysbff

Right, just like I stated I wanted to trade Gardiner and Reimer to Edmonton....backup your post!!

I don't need to prove my point, your delusions are well known on these boards.

He has struggled in past years, but hes playing for the USA job now. Hes been lights out this season, 2.39GAA and .939SV% on the worst team in the NHL. Hes facing on average 39 shots per game, thats playing well?
- Djtyczy

Absolutely he's playing well, but we have to wait and see if he's on a hot streak or the Old Miller is back. Seemed like he's been declining for a for years though.

All is cool. Leafs don't want trade them.

Carry on.
- Canada Cup

And really, I haven't heard anyone actually in the Oilers organization say they want to trade Yak, yet some around here believe they are desperate to unload him. All of a sudden the Oilers lose 6 games due to very poor goal tending and the price of goalies has sky rocketed. If anyone thinks Reimer is worth more than Bernier today, I think they are crazy. Yet on here today, we have witnessed people claiming that Reimer is worth Yak, a sophomore 1st overall with tons of talent. Most of Yaks value lost based on a quote from a 19 year old kid that is still learning English. Totally ridiculous.

Really? Again, maybe some Oiler fans think that, but not too many of the regulars on this board thought we would get much for those guys. I guess the Erat to Washington trade made us all kinda wonder a bit ( its not that unrealistic to think Hemsky could have gotten the same return as Nashville got from the Caps), but most of us were pretty stoked when Mac T was able to move him for peanuts.
Sabres fans (some , not all) are similar with their expected returns for their 2 impending UFA's are they not?
- Jeropotato

1) Caps got raped in that deal so it is a poor example as a realistic expectation.
2) Hemsky has a much larger injury history and makes slightly more than Erat
3) The trade resulted in a deal falling through last minute at the deadline and Wash making a panic trade.

Hemsky was never worth as much as Oilers fans wanted, which is why he was never moved.

Of course they will get good value, especially Vanek ( because he's a forward and every playoff team needs another sniper at the deadline, or could at least use one). Rental goalies are different as the market is less busy. The Sabres will only get a big TDL return if a team is A) a legit playoff contender ,B) in need of a number one goalie, C) have a reasonable chance of resigning Miller.
How many teams fit that mould?
- Jeropotato

Hey Jero. What up.

Not sure some guys get logic here. They seem to forget about the cap, max # of contracts, ufa status and other poop when they post. And completely forget about what the other side actually needs....

Right, just like I stated I wanted to trade Gardiner and Reimer to Edmonton....backup your post!!

I don't need to prove my point, your delusions are well known on these boards.
- Cooshie

Waiting....

Just as I thought. I made probably 50 posts today and none are what you say. They are the opposite.

So keep trying tough guy....

And really, I haven't heard anyone actually in the Oilers organization say they want to trade Yak, yet some around here believe they are desperate to unload him. All of a sudden the Oilers lose 6 games due to very poor goal tending and the price of goalies has sky rocketed. If anyone thinks Reimer is worth more than Bernier today, I think they are crazy. Yet on here today, we have witnessed people claiming that Reimer is worth Yak, a sophomore 1st overall with tons of talent. Most of Yaks value lost based on a quote from a 19 year old kid that is still learning English. Totally ridiculous.
- Al Hacker

Actually, quite the the opposite. I don't think anyone thinks Edmonton fans want to trade Yak....it's more like other fan bases think you should trade Yak to fill holes.

My opinion on a Miller deal has been some goalie will get hurt, and a team will be desperate.
- Djtyczy

Sure, but the price is going to based on demand. If several teams are in on the bidding then great for the Sabres...if not, well, Miller is not the only option if the price is too high.

No Miller was great.hes playing well right now, but he has not been the same goalie that was lights out in the Olympics for a couple years now. There are probably 15 goalies that have been consistently better in the NHL for the past couple years.
- Jeropotato

I think the results have more to do with the teams playing in front of them. Miller may not be in his prime as he was 4 years ago but he isn't far from it and still a very elite netminder. This league just placed more and more value on youth each year and he is a FA after this season.

My opinion on a Miller deal has been some goalie will get hurt, and a team will be desperate.
- Djtyczy

He's definitely outplayed Duby this year so far. But who hasn't.

But that doesn't change the fact that he's a pending UFA, overpaid and attitude questions. He likely would not waive his ntc to come here and would likely not resign here. So why would we give up anything for him?

Waiting....

Just as I thought. I made probably 50 posts today and none are what you say. They are the opposite.

So keep trying tough guy....
- Iggysbff

LOL - you still yapping away.
You're like a pesky mosquito that just won't go away.

So let's have it then - what sort of trade value would you expect for Yak, let's get it straight from the horses mouth.

By the way, still waiting to hear where I said I wanted to trade Gardiner and Reimer to the Oilers? Unless I get Eberle, Hall or RNH (which I know wouldn't happen), I don't have any desire to make a trade.

Actually, quite the the opposite. I don't think anyone thinks Edmonton fans want to trade Yak....it's more like other fan bases think you should trade Yak to fill holes.
- Cooshie

Including myself, if the return is right. If all we can get is a couple of plumbers then we might as well keep him. If we can trade him for pieces that make the team better then I'm all for it. Keep in mind I have no problem trading any player ever if it improves the team. I love the name on the front of the Jersey not the back of it.

Including myself, if the return is right. If all we can get is a couple of plumbers then we might as well keep him. If we can trade him for pieces that make the team better then I'm all for it. Keep in mind I have no problem trading any player ever if it improves the team. I love the name on the front of the Jersey not the back of it.
- Jeropotato

What kind of players do you think the oilers should get in return?

A solid Dman (not super star but maybe top 3), A strong 3rd line winger to take his place and possibly a prospect or pick.

Or go the Starting goaltender plus a little bit route?

Edit- not saying Miller is close to Yak specifically but more what would you be looking for?

He's definitely outplayed Duby this year so far. But who hasn't.

But that doesn't change the fact that he's a pending UFA, overpaid and attitude questions. He likely would not waive his ntc to come here and would likely not resign here. So why would we give up anything for him?
- Iggysbff

Attitude questions?

Including myself, if the return is right. If all we can get is a couple of plumbers then we might as well keep him. If we can trade him for pieces that make the team better then I'm all for it. Keep in mind I have no problem trading any player ever if it improves the team. I love the name on the front of the Jersey not the back of it.
- Jeropotato

Well, this is a post I agree with 100%.

You don't know how many Leaf fans jump all over me for saying something just like this. When trade talks come up and someone like Gardiner or Kadri is brought up I always say if it helps the team and makes them better then I would trade any player on the Leafs....followed by mass attack!! Not sure how anyone can argue against this logic.

LOL - you still yapping away.
You're like a pesky mosquito that just won't go away.

So let's have it then - what sort of trade value would you expect for Yak, let's get it straight from the horses mouth.

By the way, still waiting to hear where I said I wanted to trade Gardiner and Reimer to the Oilers? Unless I get Eberle, Hall or RNH (which I know wouldn't happen), I don't have any desire to make a trade.
- Cooshie

I'll answer. I think straight up Yak is worth a young (18-20) forward with top line , 40+ goal potential, or a young Defenceman with top pairing potential.

LOL - you still yapping away.
You're like a pesky mosquito that just won't go away.

So let's have it then - what sort of trade value would you expect for Yak, let's get it straight from the horses mouth.

By the way, still waiting to hear where I said I wanted to trade Gardiner and Reimer to the Oilers? Unless I get Eberle, Hall or RNH (which I know wouldn't happen), I don't have any desire to make a trade.
- Cooshie

Just as I thought. Make accusations but never back them up...

I'll answer. I think straight up Yak is worth a young (18-20) forward with top line , 40+ goal potential, or a young Defenceman with top pairing potential.
- Jeropotato

What about a young goalie with top 5 skill level potential - Lehner??
Something that will fill a desperate need

Well, this is a post I agree with 100%.

You don't know how many Leaf fans jump all over me for saying something just like this. When trade talks come up and someone like Gardiner or Kadri is brought up I always say if it helps the team and makes them better then I would trade any player on the Leafs....followed by mass attack!! Not sure how anyone can argue against this logic.
- Cooshie

But I see no logic in trading Yak for the sake of trading him. His attitude issues are overblown, he's a kid who has been a healthy scratch for the 1st time in his LIFE! Is he supposed to be happy about it? Is he expected to show the maturity of a seasoned vet?

a second round draft pick is all he is worth...if that, chalk up another bonehead top 5 pick to the oilers.
- blk4x499

there needs to be an iq prerequisite on posting

What about a young goalie with top 5 skill level potential - Lehner??
Something that will fill a desperate need
- Cooshie

Sure. Not sure if Lehner fits that bill exactly. Last year the hot talk of back up goalies was all about Schneider, Bernier, Fasth, and Enroth. Why is Lehner all of a sudden the premier goalie back up in the NHL?

I'll answer. I think straight up Yak is worth a young (18-20) forward with top line , 40+ goal potential, or a young Defenceman with top pairing potential.
- Jeropotato

Is he really worth more than what Seguin went for though? I know Seguin was apart of a package but was still the center piece.

But I see no logic in trading Yak for the sake of trading him. His attitude issues are overblown, he's a kid who has been a healthy scratch for the 1st time in his LIFE! Is he supposed to be happy about it? Is he expected to show the maturity of a seasoned vet?
- Jeropotato

Again, all this talk is coming more from other fan bases and not Oiler fans. I think the biggest tell sign is that every team seems to want him - but of course for a much lower valued price.

Personally, if I were an Oiler fan, I would be willing to trade Yak for Lehner....there is a goalie that could be a stud for the next decade for you.