I gotta say, a lot of Flyers fans frustrate the hell out of me. Let's female dog about the team not being patient and trading away young players but yet throw every young player's names out there in so called trade proposals. JVR was the whipping boy the moment he went back to UNH but yet people moan that he was traded. Now onto Homer. He took the worse team in hockey and rebuilt it quickly. Yes, they are down right now but once he traded frick and frack, no matter what we want to say, the team was in a bit of a rebuild. So let the rebuild play out with the young guys developing. Yes, he has made mistakes and all GM's do and there may be questions about the perception of chasing last year's cup but the last thing I want to see happen is the team change directions yet AGAIN. I'd sooner see them continue to build around this core group. just my .02 cents
- nastyflyergirl

Bravo! Well said! I wish you would post more here.

But that's overlooking the obvious: The Flyers are the ones who aren't patient.

I mean, let's be honest: Vincent Lecavalier and Mark Streit mean they aren't being patient. Because a patient team would've let Schenn and Couturier battle it out for 2C/3C, and told Peter Laviolette to get over it and give Tye McGinn a chance.

They're going to do something. They always do. Whether it's big or small, bad or good, they're going to do something.
- AllInForFlyers

there is nothing wrong with bringing in vets to supplement the roster. I have no problem with those signings outside of maybe the fact Bunny coming in means moving Schenn to the wing. Now if they brought Bunny in to move another center I would be pissed

Right now, as of today, the Flyers don't think Andrej Meszaros can help them by playing. And I completely agree.
- AllInForFlyers

IMO, it's not about his long-term status (what does Berube care?) or that he was so terrible that they had no choice but to get him out of the lineup... methinks it was a move to get Gus in there to give things a badly needed shaking up.

Personally, I would have rather dressed 7-D to make that happen, especially with how few minutes the 4th-line gets at ES, but whatever.

I would not miss the Schenn Bros if Hexy trades them at the draft

But that's overlooking the obvious: The Flyers are the ones who aren't patient.

I mean, let's be honest: Vincent Lecavalier and Mark Streit mean they aren't being patient. Because a patient team would've let Schenn and Couturier battle it out for 2C/3C, and told Peter Laviolette to get over it and give Tye McGinn a chance.

They're going to do something. They always do. Whether it's big or small, bad or good, they're going to do something.
- AllInForFlyers

Lecavalier and Streit doesn't mean they aren't being paitent at all. Now if they had gotten rid of younger players to add those two, then you'd have a point.

If JVR would have committed himself to fitness in Philly like he decided to grow up and do in Toronto, there wouldn't even be a conversation about this. JVR was a fat lazy kid that management grew impatient with, that's on them, his lack of success in Philly is of his own doing.
- LeftCoaster

That's completely untrue. Where do you even get this from?

According to all reports, the Flyers never asked Briere to waive his NMC.
- MJL

http://nesn.com/2013/02/r...waive-no-movement-clause/

Report: Bruins, Blues Inquired About Danny Briere, But Flyers Forward Unwilling to Waive No-Movement Clause

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Teams rarely tell the press that a player refused to waive his no movement clause. They usually claim that the right deal never came along and that the player was never asked so as to avoid embarrassment on both sides.

What is undeniable is that teams wanted Danny at the Trade Deadline and that the Flyers were going to part ways with him at the end of the season one way or another.

1+1=2

Lecavalier and Streit doesn't mean they aren't being paitent at all. Now if they had gotten rid of younger players to add those two, then you'd have a point.
- MJL

When the Flyers are legit contenders again, what contributions do you think Streit will be making to the team at that point?

Lecavalier and Streit doesn't mean they aren't being paitent at all. Now if they had gotten rid of younger players to add those two, then you'd have a point.
- MJL

If you're up for a promotion and your boss decides to bring in somebody with more experience from the outside instead... either that's an indication that they're not convinced you're capable of doing that job, or that they don't have time/patience to wait for you to learn the ropes. Either way, instead of being able to step up and meet the challenge and growing, you have to settle for stagnation/status quo.

When the Flyers are legit contenders again, what contributions do you think Streit will be making to the team at that point?
- PLindbergh31

Best puck mover on the team, bar-none, forever!

That's completely untrue. Where do you even get this from?
- mayorofangrytown

I think it has more to do with the team desperately needing some young D men that can play and feeling that they could trade form a position of strength with the forward depth. But wtf do I know?

I think it could in some ways. But if I'm using Couturier as the main checking line against other teams top lines, I don't want Simmonds playing with him. The first line is also a defensive nightmare.
- MJL

Yup, fair points. I guess I'm more worried about scoring right now... Gotta find that balance. Tonight's game should be interesting.

Lecavalier and Streit doesn't mean they aren't being paitent at all. Now if they had gotten rid of younger players to add those two, then you'd have a point.
- MJL

It's OK, MJL. We disagree, same as it ever was. The Flyers are doing the right thing by playing Gus, Raffl and McGinn, and because of the likelihood of injuries, we'll see Meszaros again in a Flyers uniform, so on and so forth.

Best puck mover on the team, bar-none, forever!
- Tomahawk

The shift early in the season where you outlined Streit losing a foot race, then being manhandled had me laughing hysterically... Then reality set in that I had to watch four more years of it, and all of a sudden it wasn't quite as funny.

I think it has more to do with the team desperately needing some young D men that can play and feeling that they could trade form a position of strength with the forward depth. But wtf do I know?
- Marc D

No one at any time accused JVR of being out of shape. He worked here every off season after he was drafted on his own coin until he turned pro.

What makes zero sense is you continuing to try to justify your personal beliefs about how Meszaros was playing when the Flyers themselves have made him a healthy scratch.

They were 1-4 when he got benched. Not out of the playoff picture. Not in a position where they had to do it. If they thought he could help them win, he'd be playing. But they don't.

Right now, as of today, the Flyers don't think Andrej Meszaros can help them by playing. And I completely agree.
- AllInForFlyers

I'm doing no differently then you are. You're not giving your personal belief on why he was scratched? And you do it again here. I named why Meszaros was taken out of the lineup.
And your statement that Meszaros can no longer play, doesn't add up. If that was true, he would'nt have started the Season in the lineup.

Call me crazy but I like the direction the team is headed in. I also don't think Giroux and Vorachek will be kept off the scoreboard for the entire year.

I can't wait to see this team playing with some confidence.
- shekkie

You're not crazy. I agree with you. But I think everyone is just a little bitter and disappointed that we are still struggling rather than starting out this season strong.

there is nothing wrong with bringing in vets to supplement the roster. I have no problem with those signings outside of maybe the fact Bunny coming in means moving Schenn to the wing. Now if they brought Bunny in to move another center I would be pissed
- nastyflyergirl

Would you have preferred them to bring in a top six winger rather then Vinnie and continue to allow B Schenn and Couts develop as the 2nd and third line centers?

I know I would have.

Briere's declining skills and cap hit on a team that couldn't afford either forced them to get rid of him one way or the other. Briere removed one of the ways they had to get rid of his cap hit by refusing to waive his NMC.

As a result the Flyers were forced to pay him to play for another team of his choosing in addition to the salary the new team is paying him.

Briere absolutely did nothing immoral under the CBA but doesn't mean i have to like it. Holmgren gave him that choice and he used it.
- Flyers_01

What factual information can you provide that backs up that Briere refused to waive his NMC? Briere didn't force the Flyers to do anything.

No one at any time accused JVR of being out of shape. He worked here every off season after he was drafted on his own coin until he turned pro.
- mayorofangrytown

He had some injuries at bad times is the way I recall it.

And I think he was questioned at some point on the extra year at UNH vs playing pro.

But not sure lazy was ever an accusation I heard.

I gotta say, a lot of Flyers fans frustrate the hell out of me. Let's female dog about the team not being patient and trading away young players but yet throw every young player's names out there in so called trade proposals. JVR was the whipping boy the moment he went back to UNH but yet people moan that he was traded. Now onto Homer. He took the worse team in hockey and rebuilt it quickly. Yes, they are down right now but once he traded frick and frack, no matter what we want to say, the team was in a bit of a rebuild. So let the rebuild play out with the young guys developing. Yes, he has made mistakes and all GM's do and there may be questions about the perception of chasing last year's cup but the last thing I want to see happen is the team change directions yet AGAIN. I'd sooner see them continue to build around this core group. just my .02 cents
- nastyflyergirl

Amen.

The shift early in the season where you outlined Streit losing a foot race, then being manhandled had me laughing hysterically... Then reality set in that I had to watch four more years of it, and all of a sudden it wasn't quite as funny.
- PLindbergh31

I will be happy if he starts contributing on the PP.

Get some shots through to the net, set up some rebound goals.

That is my expectation from the guy.

In Detroit his shot was getting blocked more often then not on the PP.
That has to get better.

http://nesn.com/2013/02/r...waive-no-movement-clause/

Report: Bruins, Blues Inquired About Danny Briere, But Flyers Forward Unwilling to Waive No-Movement Clause

-----------------------------------------

Teams rarely tell the press that a player refused to waive his no movement clause. They usually claim that the right deal never came along and that the player was never asked so as to avoid embarrassment on both sides.

What is undeniable is that teams wanted Danny at the Trade Deadline and that the Flyers were going to part ways with him at the end of the season one way or another.

1+1=2
- Flyers_01

All conjecture. Like I said, there is no information that the Flyers asked Briere to waive his NMC and he declined.

When the Flyers are legit contenders again, what contributions do you think Streit will be making to the team at that point?
- PLindbergh31

Remains to be seen.

If you're up for a promotion and your boss decides to bring in somebody with more experience from the outside instead... either that's an indication that they're not convinced you're capable of doing that job, or that they don't have time/patience to wait for you to learn the ropes. Either way, instead of being able to step up and meet the challenge and growing, you have to settle for stagnation/status quo.
- Tomahawk

This really has zero relevance to the Flyers.