JVR is hurt. Flyers win the trade!

Do you buy the argument that Schenn has had less ice time because the Flyers have been playing from behind most of the season?
- MBFlyerfan

That and the fact that he is paired with Streit at 5 v5 seems to explain it to me.

Streit makes up his minutes on the PP and Luke doesn't get those.

Schenn might be one of the guys who they mentioned are not in adequate "skating shape"... or he could have a minor injury... or it could be the dearth of decent ES pairing options... so hard to say.
- Tomahawk

I find it hard to imagine that he could be in worse shape now after an actual training camp than he was last season when all the Flyers had was a week of practice in January. And he stepped right into the team and played 19-20 minutes a night until the injuries hit in March when he started averaging closer to 25 minutes per game.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/pl...&view=log&season=20122013

Come on NFG, we all know that the JvR for fat Schenn trade is going to end up one more lopsided then the Neal for Gogo deal.



In all honesty I like Homer more then most on here, but would love the team to embrace the fact that they are rebuilding. Which to me means no 4-5 year deals for FA vets over 30, and keeping all their draft picks, and trying to get more draft picks and prospects if possible.
- Marc D

The Lecavalier and Striet deals were the kind of deals you do for teams that are on the edge of contending to push them over the top not deals to rebuild a team. Not that I think they are bad players just ill timed acquisitions.

JVR is hurt. Flyers win the trade!
- PLindbergh31

They're saying it's a maintenance day.

The Lecavalier and Striet deals were the kind of deals you do for teams that are on the edge of contending to push them over the top not deals to rebuild a team. Not that I think they are bad players just ill timed acquisitions.
- mayorofangrytown

exactly!

It smacks too much of "we are the Flyers and must contend every single year"

Why not realize they can do better by picking a 4-5 year plan and sticking with it?

I find it hard to imagine that he could be in worse shape now after an actual training camp than he was last season when all the Flyers had was a week of practice in January. And he stepped right into the team and played 19-20 minutes a night until the injuries hit in March when he started averaging closer to 25 minutes per game.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/pl...&view=log&season=20122013
- Feanor

I don't think it's because he's actually in bad physical condition... could just be he's not moving as well as he should.

Maybe he did a lot of dry-land training and started skating too late during the offseason?

Impossible to tell from the outside.

They're saying it's a maintenance day.
- mayorofangrytown

I think Hartnell is having a month of maintenance days. How the hell did he get hurt? So far we have had a golf club explode in Giroux's hand, and Hartnell out a month without getting touched.

Carter, Richards, JVR?
- mayorofangrytown

Surprisingly, they didn't trade any of the kids away last year...

Baby steps!

The Lecavalier and Striet deals were the kind of deals you do for teams that are on the edge of contending to push them over the top not deals to rebuild a team. Not that I think they are bad players just ill timed acquisitions.
- mayorofangrytown

Vinny, definitely. Homer probably already had his game plan set heading into UFA, and suddenly Vinny pops into the picture and BOOOOOMMMM!!!!

I, personally, wouldn't sign Streit heading into the PO's even... especially after how we saw how the Isles had to bend over backwards to hide him from the Pens top players in that series.

I have never had anyone associated with the Flyers tell me something negative -- on or off-record -- about Luke Schenn. In fact, last season, many thought he was one of the few bright spots of the season.

That said, I don't completely buy Chief's explanation for Schenn's greatly reduced ice time this year. As I noted above, even in the one game (Florida) where the Flyers played from ahead all night, he still only got 14:16 of ice time. It seems clear that Berube has more confidence in Coburn and Grossmann to be his main shutdown D right now.

L. Schenn has struggled in about 4 of the 6 games so far. So although Meszaros was the first guy to get scratched, number 22 has to elevate his game a bit to start getting closer to his ice time from last season.
- bmeltzer

Except it's Dreger, not Bruce Garrioch.

If he said it came from someone within the organization, I'm inclined to believe it.

If JVR would have committed himself to fitness in Philly like he decided to grow up and do in Toronto, there wouldn't even be a conversation about this. JVR was a fat lazy kid that management grew impatient with, that's on them, his lack of success in Philly is of his own doing.

Perhaps Meszaros was being showcased for a trade. Gustafsson played very well in his first game in Detroit, and should have been in the lineup to start the season.

If players were being sat based on merit of play thus far, L. Schenn would be scratched before Meszaros would. But, with JVR going bananas in Toronto, scratching Schenn doesn't play well.
- PLindbergh31

For the most part, that's what I think. excpet for the last part. So you think it was all PR as the reason why Schenn wasn't scratched?

i'll put it down in a minute....my point is that even our best player (who os absolutely a great player) isn't playing well, let alone all the other guys. it just seems that this is the norm;
- hogweed

Most of the guys on this team are about as useful as a poopy flavored lollipop thus far this season
Mason has been great since the Flyers acquired him toward the end of last season and I hope it continues. I find it rather ironic that many analysts stated that the Flyers would have no trouble scoring goals, but would have difficulty keeping them out of the net. These guys couldn't hit the broad side of a barn with a rocket launcher

I have never had anyone associated with the Flyers tell me something negative -- on or off-record -- about Luke Schenn. In fact, last season, many thought he was one of the few bright spots of the season.

That said, I don't completely buy Chief's explanation for Schenn's greatly reduced ice time this year. As I noted above, even in the one game (Florida) where the Flyers played from ahead all night, he still only got 14:16 of ice time. It seems clear that Berube has more confidence in Coburn and Grossmann to be his main shutdown D right now.

L. Schenn has struggled in about 4 of the 6 games so far. So although Meszaros was the first guy to get scratched, number 22 has to elevate his game a bit to start getting closer to his ice time from last season.
- bmeltzer

thank you

There are 4 million reasons why, as in his salary.

Do you know how bad you have to be playing to be a healthy scratch as a veteran defenseman on the last year of your contract, in a league where defensemen who are supposedly able to play can command premiums from contending teams?

That's how bad Andrej Meszaros was playing.
- AllInForFlyers

So the Salary issue went away after 5 games? That makes zero sense. You don't get a premium for a defenseman in a trade in October. Meszaros was playing so badly that he was playing 18+ minutes a game, and Luke Schenn was playing about 14 mnutes a game. Makes sense. The salary reason doesn't wash.

Rotoworld :

Daniel Briere will start Tuesday's game in Winnipeg on the fourth line.
"I can't let it worry me. Things change fast," he said. "All four lines have been chipping in and I know that wherever I'm slotted, I have to respond." Briere has one assist in five games this season and his helper was picked up on Max Pacioretty's empty-net marker versus Edmonton.

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It won't last but it's nice to see Briere on the fourth line after he forced the Flyers to buy him out.
- Flyers_01

Briere didn't force the Flyers to do anything. Why is it nice to see a honorable guy who gave his all here, struggling and demoted to the 4th line?

That second line - Raffl, Schenn, Simmonds - is a defensive nightmare. Raffl might be ok, not sure yet, but Schenn and Simmonds are fairly weak in their own end. If anything, bumping Read up and Simmonds down might balance both O and D on those lines.
- wolfhounds

I think it could in some ways. But if I'm using Couturier as the main checking line against other teams top lines, I don't want Simmonds playing with him. The first line is also a defensive nightmare.

See, that's another indicator of just how ineffective he's been.

If he was playing well enough to stay in the lineup, you'd play him. Veteran status, salary, last year of contract. Not old or anything.

But the biggest thing is you wouldn't even worry about him getting hurt, because if he does and it's serious enough, you just slap him on LTIR and get all that sweet, sweet cap relief.

Again, it's clear, totally clear
that his play left a lot to be desired. There are too many reasons to play the guy for him to be a healthy scratch. He just wasn't doing anything.
- AllInForFlyers

The reason that he was the player taken out of the lineup, was simply because he's not in the future plans of the Flyers. If they were deciding who to take out based on merit of play, it wouldn't be Meszaros. That is clear.

So the Salary issue went away after 5 games? That makes zero sense. You don't get a premium for a defenseman in a trade in October. Meszaros was playing so badly that he was playing 18+ minutes a game, and Luke Schenn was playing about 14 mnutes a game. Makes sense. The salary reason doesn't wash.
- MJL

What makes zero sense is you continuing to try to justify your personal beliefs about how Meszaros was playing when the Flyers themselves have made him a healthy scratch.

They were 1-4 when he got benched. Not out of the playoff picture. Not in a position where they had to do it. If they thought he could help them win, he'd be playing. But they don't.

Right now, as of today, the Flyers don't think Andrej Meszaros can help them by playing. And I completely agree.

I think it could in some ways. But if I'm using Couturier as the main checking line against other teams top lines, I don't want Simmonds playing with him. The first line is also a defensive nightmare.
- MJL

I don't think BSchenn is as poor defensively as people make him out to be. He's not winning a selke any time soon, but he's not as bad as Simmonds is. I like Read playing with Couturier. They seem to have more chemistry than most of the other lines right now.

His cap hit is Holmgren's fault but we won't go there. They had multiple trades lined up for him last year at the Trade Deadline and he refused to waive his NMC. That was his right, which Holmgren gave to him, but i don't have to like it.

If he had accepted a trade the flyers would have :

A) More assets in terms of picks or players.
B) One remaining compliance buyout.
- Flyers_01

According to all reports, the Flyers never asked Briere to waive his NMC.

On Couts,
someone here said it best earlier.

Please let him play with the same wingers for a while!

I think Read and Talbot make a ton of sense for a him.
A strong checking line (for this team) that can potentially get some turnovers and maybe some scoring.

Stability on the lines would be helpful at this point, for the whole team I think.

WE KNOW

Briere didn't force the Flyers to do anything. Why is it nice to see a honorable guy who gave his all here, struggling and demoted to the 4th line?
- MJL

Briere's declining skills and cap hit on a team that couldn't afford either forced them to get rid of him one way or the other. Briere removed one of the ways they had to get rid of his cap hit by refusing to waive his NMC.

As a result the Flyers were forced to pay him to play for another team of his choosing in addition to the salary the new team is paying him.

Briere absolutely did nothing immoral under the CBA but doesn't mean i have to like it. Holmgren gave him that choice and he used it.