Why, McGinn is doing all the things that Hartnell should do, but hasn't been. McGinn did more or less the same thing last when he was called up until he got his face broken. After he wasn't as effective and Lava sent him back down never to be recalled. Sorry but McGinn has out played Hartnell.
- LJF

Fully agree.

Hartnell has done jack poop for a long time now.

At this point players should have to earn their time. Hartnell has done nothing to earn it, and should have to work his way back up. McGinn showed more intensity than the rest of the team.

Good thing Berube identified the problem and took Mez out.
Then he made him untradeable with his mouthy statement that he didn't see enough.
Great new coach.
- strongsupporter

He was already untradeable. Nothing Berube said changed that.

Said it before, said it earlier tonight, and I'll say it again because I like to repeat myself on the internet:

The Flyers' margin for error is much too thin to dress players who cannot contribute shifts at even strength.

If you play a player for 2:38 and 4:45, it's not their fault they are in the lineup and not helping the team.

It's the organization's fault for having players who are so limited, they just can't get on the ice for even-strength shifts.

BiggE said it earlier: The best Flyers team will have a fourth line with Maxime Talbot on it, with Adam Hall. Because then, you can play that line for 10 minutes or so, some minutes against tougher opposition.

But 2:38 and 4:45? For a team with one win and difficulty scoring goals, you can't waste roster spots like that. You have to put players out there who can help you win.
- AllInForFlyers

yes

Why, McGinn is doing all the things that Hartnell should do, but hasn't been. McGinn did more or less the same thing last when he was called up until he got his face broken. After he wasn't as effective and Lava sent him back down never to be recalled. Sorry but McGinn has out played Hartnell.
- LJF

McGinn is playing well. But he's played 20 NHL games. What do you think is going to happen if he's kept on the top line? We'll find out that he doesn't belong there. He's not the player that Hartnell is. Put McGinn where he belongs, on the 3rd or 4th line when everyone is healthy. And the Coach doesn't send players to the minors. The GM does.

He was already untradeable. Nothing Berube said changed that.
- bmeltzer

Is Meszaros a better player than Pavel Kubina? Somehow Kubina was worth a second round pick.

maybe
but i think they had questions about his motivation and drive
- Crimsoninja

Based on his not coming out after his sophomore year.

I've got a scary gut feeling that a big trade is about to go down. We're so close to being a winning team, our forwards just need to finish more of their opportunities, and a couple select dmen need to make less stupid moves (tonight it was Grossmann, last game it was Coburn).

None of those players saw a shift in the 3rd period.
- MJL

Which is exactly why the Flyers were dead on their feet!

I agree, they have no fire, no desire, no grit... Oh well Hexy will be taking over soon. Eddy will not be made a fool of. Homer will feel his wrath
- bigmookalookie

Thats what bothers me.

For a team apparently built to be gritty, and shutdown style.

They are soft as (frank). Not intimidating in any way, no net presence and dont even bother to try and take other team's off their game with chippy play. I understand discipline, but asking them to play like some robotic machine will not work.

Unleash the emotion. Unleash the Peanuts.

I completely agree with your post. After last year and now this start, I just don't care as much. I hope they turn it around but I don't see it happening and as of now they should not be cashing their checks.
- tk71

briere is cashing his flyers check, and his now 4th line check in montreal. that dude is done. i'm glad the flyers walked.

Said it before, said it earlier tonight, and I'll say it again because I like to repeat myself on the internet:

The Flyers' margin for error is much too thin to dress players who cannot contribute shifts at even strength.

If you play a player for 2:38 and 4:45, it's not their fault they are in the lineup and not helping the team.

It's the organization's fault for having players who are so limited, they just can't get on the ice for even-strength shifts.

BiggE said it earlier: The best Flyers team will have a fourth line with Maxime Talbot on it, with Adam Hall. Because then, you can play that line for 10 minutes or so, some minutes against tougher opposition.

But 2:38 and 4:45? For a team with one win and difficulty scoring goals, you can't waste roster spots like that. You have to put players out there who can help you win.
- AllInForFlyers

I just think of Luukko's answer when I asked how the NHL could even consider expansion with the talent spread so thin. He said there was plenty of talent. I would like to know why the Flyers don't have 3 full lines of NHL quality players and 3 pieces of developing players with NHL upside. That's all I ask. That's not here.

McGinn is playing well. But he's played 20 NHL games. What do you think is going to happen if he's kept on the top line? We'll find out that he doesn't belong there. He's not the player that Hartnell is. Put McGinn where he belongs, on the 3rd or 4th line when everyone is healthy. And the Coach doesn't send players to the minors. The GM does.
- MJL

Good thing Mcginn started the season in Adirondack, instead of on the 4th line. Rosehill has that spot on lockdown.

Is Meszaros a better player than Pavel Kubina? Somehow Kubina was worth a second round pick.
- PLindbergh31

no one is that desperate though, besides us.

Said it before, said it earlier tonight, and I'll say it again because I like to repeat myself on the internet:

The Flyers' margin for error is much too thin to dress players who cannot contribute shifts at even strength.

If you play a player for 2:38 and 4:45, it's not their fault they are in the lineup and not helping the team.

It's the organization's fault for having players who are so limited, they just can't get on the ice for even-strength shifts.

BiggE said it earlier: The best Flyers team will have a fourth line with Maxime Talbot on it, with Adam Hall. Because then, you can play that line for 10 minutes or so, some minutes against tougher opposition.

But 2:38 and 4:45? For a team with one win and difficulty scoring goals, you can't waste roster spots like that. You have to put players out there who can help you win.
- AllInForFlyers

This team has a number of issues. The 4th line is way, way down on the list. I can understand not playing Rosehill and Rinaldo in the 3rd, to not risk a penalty. But why not play Hall some? Good checker and faceoff guy with the one goal lead. But Giroux plays 10 minutes in the period, as bad as he is defensively.

I've got a scary gut feeling that a big trade is about to go down. We're so close to being a winning team, our forwards just need to finish more of their opportunities, and a couple select dmen need to make less stupid moves (tonight it was Grossmann, last game it was Coburn).
- JAKEw1234

I think the worst thing, and this isnt personal toward you in any way.

Is for the organization to believe that they are the BEST, worst team in the league.

1-6. Thats reality, and it extends into last season.

McGinn is playing well. But he's played 20 NHL games. What do you think is going to happen if he's kept on the top line? We'll find out that he doesn't belong there. He's not the player that Hartnell is. Put McGinn where he belongs, on the 3rd or 4th line when everyone is healthy. And the Coach doesn't send players to the minors. The GM does.
- MJL

It depends if McGinn can sustain the hard work and energy he's brought in his short sample sizes. If we can bring that almost every night, I think he'd do ok over a full season. I don't think he's nearly the player Hartnell is, but I think we would be ok as a team if he was playing on the team long term instead of Hartnell.

Fully agree.

Hartnell has done jack poop for a long time now.

At this point players should have to earn their time. Hartnell has done nothing to earn it, and should have to work his way back up. McGinn showed more intensity than the rest of the team.
- flyer_nutter

he's gone over 30 straight games without an assist. that's just un(frank)ingbelievable.

He was already untradeable. Nothing Berube said changed that.
- bmeltzer

I continue to disagree with you. We will see how it plays out.
The whole team is playing poorly and the coach highlights one guy that he 'doesn't see enough'.

I'm sure Homer was pleased with Berube's comment.

Speaking of Berube, a breath of fresh air?
All talk - he was there in the past but you would not know it the way he separates himself from Lavy. Be nice if he can get some results.

Good thing Mcginn started the season in Adirondack, instead of on the 4th line. Rosehill has that spot on lockdown.
- PLindbergh31

Rosehill is the 13th forward. He should be a healthy scratch most games. And it cracks me up how Rosehill is an issue with all the other issues on this team that are a lot more relevant to why they're 1-6.

I think the worst thing, and this isnt personal toward you in any way.

Is for the organization to believe that they are the BEST, worst team in the league.

1-6. Thats reality, and it extends into last season.
- flyer_nutter

I took that incredibly personally

McGinn is playing well. But he's played 20 NHL games. What do you think is going to happen if he's kept on the top line? We'll find out that he doesn't belong there. He's not the player that Hartnell is. Put McGinn where he belongs, on the 3rd or 4th line when everyone is healthy. And the Coach doesn't send players to the minors. The GM does.
- MJL

So you can see into the future and tell what is doing to happen with McGinn. Awesome what are the powerball numbers for tomorrow night? We have no idea how he will play, but so far in two games he has scored more than G, Jake, Read, Hartnell, and Simmonds combined. Play him on the top line until Hartnell gets back if his play has dropped at that point move him down a line, if not no way should he be moved. He might not be the player Hartnell was two years ago, but neither is Hartnell.

It depends if McGinn can sustain the hard work and energy he's brought in his short sample sizes. If we can bring that almost every night, I think he'd do ok over a full season. I don't think he's nearly the player Hartnell is, but I think we would be ok as a team if he was playing on the team long term instead of Hartnell.
- JAKEw1234

Hartnell is a wonderful example of a player that is apparently supposed to bring a consistent work ethic down low, with physicality.

Really? Play (frank)ing McGinn, and let Hartnell earn his time.

Rosehill is the 13th forward. He should be a healthy scratch most games. And it cracks me up how Rosehill is an issue with all the other issues on this team that are a lot more relevant to why they're 1-6.
- MJL

I guess it's common place for the 13th forward to play 5 out of 7 games.

I just think of Luukko's answer when I asked how the NHL could even consider expansion with the talent spread so thin. He said there was plenty of talent. I would like to know why the Flyers don't have 3 full lines of NHL quality players and 3 pieces of developing players with NHL upside. That's all I ask. That's not here.
- bodiva88

The thing for me is this. DIfferent ways to skin a cat.

It seemed to me that the FLyers were really going after trying to make a team that outworks opponents. That has gritty forwards who dominate the boards.

Or so they seem on paper. In reality, its Furbies on ice.

So you can see into the future and tell what is doing to happen with McGinn. Awesome what are the powerball numbers for tomorrow night? We have no idea how he will play, but so far in two games he has scored more than G, Jake, Read, Hartnell, and Simmonds combined. Play him on the top line until Hartnell gets back if his play has dropped at that point move him down a line, if not no way should he be moved. He might not be the player Hartnell was two years ago, but neither is Hartnell.
- LJF

You don't have to see into the future. He's not a 1st line player in this League. He's done a great job so far. But playing the kid on the first line is setting him up for failure over the long haul. On merit right now, he deserves to play. That's why he played 19 minutes tonight. But when Hartnell comes back, he belongs back on a top scoring line.

This is no different then all the talk about Lauridsen getting a regular spot on the defense based on a handful of games last Season.