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isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Oct 15 @ 9:09 AM ET
so berube scratched mez because he "didn't see enough" from him...
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Oct 15 @ 9:14 AM ET
Return of Sestitov
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 15 @ 9:14 AM ET
Lappy, Pronger, Voracek, Simmonds, Talbot, Mason (so far) off the top of my head.
- jmatchett383



Pronger and Lappy, as much as we love them, were much better in the past.

Voracek, Simmonds and Mason I don't think you can count as "signings".

Talbot, at least for the 1st-season, might be one of the few.

UFA has been pretty unkind to Homer... either he ends up with albatross contracts, 1-year experiments, or misses out on his guys entirely. Somebody should probably pull the plug on all of his phones come July 1.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Oct 15 @ 9:16 AM ET
Pronger and Lappy, as much as we love them, were much better in the past.

Voracek, Simmonds and Mason I don't think you can count as "signings". Hartnell, either.

Talbot, at least for the 1st-season, might be one of the few.

UFA has been pretty unkind to Homer... either he ends up with albatross contracts, 1-year experiments, or misses out on his guys entirely. Somebody should probably pull the plug on all of his phones come July 1.

- Tomahawk


Come July 1, the only thing Holmgren will need a phone for is to order a pizza.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Oct 15 @ 9:16 AM ET
Pronger and Lappy, as much as we love them, were much better in the past.

Voracek, Simmonds and Mason I don't think you can count as "signings".

Talbot, at least for the 1st-season, might be one of the few.

UFA has been pretty unkind to Homer... either he ends up with albatross contracts, 1-year experiments, or misses out on his guys entirely. Somebody should probably pull the plug on all of his phones come July 1.

- Tomahawk

He did well with Briere, Emery x2, Hartnell, Timonen, and now LeCavalier...
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Oct 15 @ 9:17 AM ET
Pronger and Lappy, as much as we love them, were much better in the past.

Voracek, Simmonds and Mason I don't think you can count as "signings". Hartnell, either.

Talbot, at least for the 1st-season, might be one of the few.

UFA has been pretty unkind to Homer... either he ends up with albatross contracts, 1-year experiments, or misses out on his guys entirely. Somebody should probably pull the plug on all of his phones come July 1.

- Tomahawk

can you imagine all the texting from these GMs
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Oct 15 @ 9:17 AM ET
Pronger and Lappy, as much as we love them, were much better in the past.

Voracek, Simmonds and Mason I don't think you can count as "signings".

Talbot, at least for the 1st-season, might be one of the few.

UFA has been pretty unkind to Homer... either he ends up with albatross contracts, 1-year experiments, or misses out on his guys entirely. Somebody should probably pull the plug on all of his phones come July 1.

- Tomahawk

don't worry, the plug will be pulled on his tenure as GM before next July 1...
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Oct 15 @ 9:18 AM ET
Come July 1, the only thing Holmgren will need a phone for is to order a pizza.
- PLindbergh31

Dominos
Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

Oct 15 @ 9:19 AM ET
Lappy, Pronger, Voracek, Simmonds, Talbot, Mason (so far) off the top of my head.
- jmatchett383


That's a pretty short list for the turnover the Flyers have had. That includes Pronger who was only able to serve 1 year of a 7 year contract.

Starting with the 2006-2007 season and ending with the 2016-2017 season, the Flyers will have spent every year except 1 with at least one aging bruising defenseman signed to a big money contract on LTIR except 1 year. Which year was it?
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 15 @ 9:19 AM ET
Come July 1, the only thing Holmgren will need a phone for is to order a pizza.
- PLindbergh31



Patty Marleau and Dion Phaneuf on retirement contracts are already in the works, sorry. Don't forget Steve Mason's 8-year extension that he'll sign while the bottom hasn't fallen out yet... then he'll subsequently forget how to stop pucks.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Oct 15 @ 9:22 AM ET
the Flyers D would be perfect if the league still had clutching and grabbing
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Oct 15 @ 9:22 AM ET
Patty Marleau and Dion Phaneuf on retirement contracts are already in the works, sorry. Don't forget Steve Mason's 8-year extension that he'll sign while the bottom hasn't fallen out yet... then he'll subsequently forget how to stop pucks.
- Tomahawk




The plug should have been pulled when Laviolette was fired. Of course the Flyers are doing things ass backwards. Holmgren still in place at the deadline he makes some dreadful moves on his way out the door and Hextall has a pile of poop to clean up, to go with a coach he didn't hire.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Oct 15 @ 9:22 AM ET
He did well with Briere, Emery x2, Hartnell, Timonen, and now LeCavalier...
- jak521



Briere wasn't better than he was in Buffalo... and he missed a lot of time due to injury... and he was bought out with 2-years left to go... so hard to put that fully in the win column.

Too soon to judge Emery for this season, but his getting hurt pretty much ushered in the Michael Leighton era. Speaking of Leighton, he might actually be a legitimate "better than his last team" player.

Hartnell and Kimmo we had to give assets for. There was no open market for them.

Vinny... too soon to say, but the injuries have already started. He's a good player when he's healthy... but...
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Oct 15 @ 9:22 AM ET
Dominos
- vejim


Well played sir
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Oct 15 @ 9:23 AM ET
I dont know if their personalities could possibly be combined.
- jak521


A laid-back, fun-loving guy with a driven, intense side
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 15 @ 9:24 AM ET
Pronger and Lappy, as much as we love them, were much better in the past.

Voracek, Simmonds and Mason I don't think you can count as "signings".

Talbot, at least for the 1st-season, might be one of the few.

UFA has been pretty unkind to Homer... either he ends up with albatross contracts, 1-year experiments, or misses out on his guys entirely. Somebody should probably pull the plug on all of his phones come July 1.

- Tomahawk


Nonsense. Pronger's point totals were up in Philadelphia compared to his old team (Anaheim) discounting the Cup year. Also, he had that Niedermayer guy helping him carry the load in Anaheim. He played primarily with Matt Carle here.

Lappy actually had higher point outputs here than in his last 2 seasons in Colorado, but that's not why the Flyers got him. No matter where he played, he was exactly the same kind of player on the Flyers that he was during his Avs days.

If you want to argue "in the past" then yes, Pronger's best season was his Hart season. He just said, "his old team" so I was comparing them solely to the teams (and seasons) they'd played with their team prior to the Flyers.
hogweed
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.01.2013

Oct 15 @ 9:25 AM ET
Lappy, Pronger, Voracek, Simmonds, Talbot, Mason (so far) off the top of my head.
- jmatchett383

i didn't write it never happens just that it seems a rarity around here. i would contest 1/2 that list. lappy was a grinder, voracek and talbot couldn't hit water if they fell out of a boat and pronger, while pretty good here, was not better here than he was previously.
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Oct 15 @ 9:25 AM ET
I want to see mason get the next 5 to 7 starts in a row.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Oct 15 @ 9:29 AM ET
This two goal or less garbage better stop tonight.
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Oct 15 @ 9:29 AM ET
I have a strange feeling after Pittsburgh creams our sorry a$$e$ Thursday homer will be relieved of his gm duties.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Oct 15 @ 9:29 AM ET
Hartnell and Kimmo we had to give assets for. There was no open market for them.
- Tomahawk


They were still great, cornerstone signings at the time.

Unfortunately, they were both given extensions that pay them too much money for their current levels of performance.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 15 @ 9:31 AM ET
i didn't write it never happens just that it seems a rarity around here. i would contest 1/2 that list. lappy was a grinder, voracek and talbot couldn't hit water if they fell out of a boat and pronger, while pretty good here, was not better here than he was previously.
- hogweed


Like I said, he was just as good here as he was in Anahaiem, especially in the 2 seasons preceeding him coming here. Same with Lappy, he did the same role here the same way he had in Colorado the 2 seaons prior. Talbot went from being a healthy scratch to a 19-goal scorer. Voracek has improved steadily since we acquired him (OH NO, 6 GAMES WITHOUT A GOAL!).

Do you expect Pronger to win another Hart, Lappy to become a 30-goal scorer, and Talbot to score 20 playoff goals? Those guys were brought on to play a specific role, and did exactly what they were expected to based on their track records leading up to their acquisition.
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Oct 15 @ 9:31 AM ET
This two goal or less garbage better stop tonight.
- PLindbergh31

3 of our goals this year were fluky soft generic goals. And you want 3 or more? Might not happen for a few weeks
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 15 @ 9:32 AM ET
I have a strange feeling after Pittsburgh creams our sorry a$$e$ Thursday homer will be relieved of his gm duties.
- SMS4016


Out of curiosity, why do you feel that way, that he would be relieved after that game specifically?

Most of us (MOST) were applauding his offseason signings (some not to much on Streit), and now that we got off to a bad start, and Lavi's gone to take the blame, it's Homer's fault...again.
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Oct 15 @ 9:33 AM ET
I have a strange feeling after Pittsburgh creams our sorry a$$e$ Thursday homer will be relieved of his gm duties.
- SMS4016


Not firing Laviolette in April should be a firable offense as a GM. The stories of what (didn't) happen in training camp keep getting worse.

Hextall's not going to come in and be perfect, though. No GM is.
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