no points? trade him! but seriously, Laughton has really impressed me over the past year.
- five4fighting10

1st game w/o a point, didn't watch since I was at work so can't say how he played in other areas.

Mark Streit so far has 0 ES points. (His two assist came on the PP)

His Corsi Rel is (-20.7), meaning the Flyers give up an average of 20 more shot attempts against when he's on the ice/60 mins than when he's not on the ice. That ranks him second to last among Flyers dmen -- a guy that's supposed to be driving possession should be much better than that.

Also, he's started 53% of his shifts in the o-zone and only managed to finish 43% of his shifts there. While the team as a whole as largely seen the ice tilted against them, he was brought in make an appreciable difference in the team's ability to move the puck up the ice. Instead, the team is still back-peddling into their own zone when he's on the ice... he hasn't had much impact there.

Granted, the sample size is tiny, but the initial returns show that he's hardly been the best driver of possession on the blueline... in fact, he's been mostly a passenger.
- Tomahawk

The Flyers as a team have scored 6 ES goals in 6 games
Giroux, Voracek, Hartnell, Simmonds, and Read have scored zero goals! Start there as an explanation for why Striet has 0 ES points.
Secondly, the expectations you obviously have for Streit is out of whack. He wasn't brought in to drive possession. He is not Keith,Doughty, Karlsson, or Subban. He's not going to be able to take a team that plays as poorly as they did to start the Season under Laviolette, and single handidly turn that around. And here we are again with blatant misuse of Advanced stats. And failure to recognize the situation that the team is in. If they are going to spend large chunks of games hemmed into their own end, Streit is not going to be a very effective player. And we've seen that. If the Flyers are going to continue to play the way they have so far, Streit's numbers aren't going to look good. Streit was brought in to add some puck skills to the back end to aid in the transition game, and to provide points from the back end. He's not going to drive the possession game. He's not that kind of player. When the Flyers become a more cohesive team, and play with the puck more, and get their ES offense going, Streit will be far more effective for the Flyers. He's a proven producer as an offensive defenseman in this League.

Adding Bryzgalov completely f'ed up their budget structure... the reset was just as much a cap-reset as a culture-reset.
- Tomahawk

No it didn't. If Bryzgalov had played to the level that was expected, his Cap hit was reasonable for what was expected.

Mark Streit so far has 0 ES points. (His two assist came on the PP)

His Corsi Rel is (-20.7), meaning the Flyers give up an average of 20 more shot attempts against when he's on the ice/60 mins than when he's not on the ice. That ranks him second to last among Flyers dmen -- a guy that's supposed to be driving possession should be much better than that.

Also, he's started 53% of his shifts in the o-zone and only managed to finish 43% of his shifts there. While the team as a whole as largely seen the ice tilted against them, he was brought in make an appreciable difference in the team's ability to move the puck up the ice. Instead, the team is still back-peddling into their own zone when he's on the ice... he hasn't had much impact there.

Granted, the sample size is tiny, but the initial returns show that he's hardly been the best driver of possession on the blueline... in fact, he's been mostly a passenger.
- Tomahawk

You neglected the part where almost half of the team has a negative corsi rel and almost no one has a higher o-zone finish percentage than o-zone start percentage. Since the whole team has played mostly poorly over a short sample of games, Streit's stats are obviously going to look poor

You neglected the part where almost half of the team has a negative corsi rel and almost no one has a higher o-zone finish percentage than o-zone start percentage. Since the whole team has played mostly poorly over a short sample of games, Streit's stats were bound to end up looking poorly
- JAKEw1234

I guess Streit was expected to fix that by himself. Your statement here seems pretty logical to me.

I guess Streit was expected to fix that by himself. Your statement here seems pretty logical to me.
- MJL

I think people expected Streit to be the panacea for our defense. He's a step forward, I think, but we need a #1.

I think people expected Streit to be the panacea for our defense. He's a step forward, I think, but we need a #1.
- JAKEw1234

Without giving up the entire farm and maybe plus it will require some luck or patience to develop one.

Without giving up the entire farm and maybe plus it will require some luck or patience to develop one.
- ob18

Maybe not the whole farm. I'd expect us to lose BSchenn and Voracek from our youth core, though.

You neglected the part where almost half of the team has a negative corsi rel and almost no one has a higher o-zone finish percentage than o-zone start percentage. Since the whole team has played mostly poorly over a short sample of games, Streit's stats are obviously going to look poor
- JAKEw1234

It's less about positive/negative and more about where he's ranked in the D-corps. Only Luke Schenn is doing less to drive play forward than Streit... is that not kind of startling?

And yes, the zone-start disparity is team-wide, but the team should be better at moving the puck forward w/ Streit on the ice than with Mez and Grossmann and Schenn, right? Is that not a reasonable expectation? So far, he's worse than all of them.

As far as driving the play, it doesn't mean he needs to be doing it himself, a la Keith/Karlsson/etc. They did bring him in to be a positive contributor, however, and so far he's been a negative contributor.

Again, it's early, but the numbers don't show him to be "easily the best puck move and outlet passer on the team " so far.

Maybe not the whole farm. I'd expect us to lose BSchenn and Voracek from our youth core, though.
- JAKEw1234

I was being sarcastic but it would may require a good sum of it.

It's less about positive/negative and more about where he's ranked in the D-corps. Only Luke Schenn is doing less to drive play forward than Streit... is that not kind of startling?

And yes, the zone-start disparity is team-wide, but the team should be better at moving the puck forward w/ Streit on the ice than with Mez and Grossmann and Schenn, right? Is that not a reasonable expectation? So far, he's worse than all of them.

As far as driving the play, it doesn't mean he needs to be doing it himself, a la Keith/Karlsson/etc. They did bring him in to be a positive contributor, however, and so far he's been a negative contributor.

Again, it's early, but the numbers don't show him to be "easily the best puck move and outlet passer on the team " so far.
- Tomahawk

No, it isn't startling. If you look, only LSchenn and Timonen have more O-zone starts than Streit. If you have the most o-zone starts, and your whole team is playing poorly, then doesn't it make sense that you;d have the least o-zone finishes?

It's less about positive/negative and more about where he's ranked in the D-corps. Only Luke Schenn is doing less to drive play forward than Streit... is that not kind of startling?

And yes, the zone-start disparity is team-wide, but the team should be better at moving the puck forward w/ Streit on the ice than with Mez and Grossmann and Schenn, right? Is that not a reasonable expectation? So far, he's worse than all of them.

As far as driving the play, it doesn't mean he needs to be doing it himself, a la Keith/Karlsson/etc. They did bring him in to be a positive contributor, however, and so far he's been a negative contributor.

Again, it's early, but the numbers don't show him to be "easily the best puck move and outlet passer on the team " so far.
- Tomahawk

The numbers also don't show Claude Giroux to be the best offensive player on the team. But again, it's early.
And no, it's not a reasonable expectation for the team to be better at moving the puck with Streit then it is with other players, based on the situation and the way the team has played. Streit can't use his puck skills very well if they don't have the puck that often. And Streit has made some very good plays with the puck, despite the overall lack of possession by the team. Including a number of head man passes to send the team on transitions the other way.
Not sure what your expectations are of Streit. But if the Flyers are going to continue to play large chunks of game time in their own end. Well then Streit isn't going to be very effective.

Not sure what your expectations are of Streit. But if the Flyers are going to continue to play large chunks of game time in their own end. Well then Streit isn't going to be very effective.
- MJL

Transition starts with getting the puck back from the other team, and that's why guys like Carle, Pronger and younger Kimmo were so good at driving play forward... not just because they could skate out of trouble with the puck or make long outlet passes, they could also handle their assignments and retrieve the puck.

If Streit isn't able to help in the retrieval game, then he's failing at the 1st step of transition. At $5.25M, he'd better be able to have a positive influence on possession, even if the entire team sucks.

Transition starts with getting the puck back from the other team, and that's why guys like Carle, Pronger and younger Kimmo were so good at driving play forward... not just because they could skate out of trouble with the puck or make long outlet passes, they could also handle their assignments and retrieve the puck.

If Streit isn't able to help in the retrieval game, then he's failing at the 1st step of transition. At $5.25M, he'd better be able to have a positive influence on possession, even if the entire team sucks.
- Tomahawk

Getting the puck back is a team game. But you seem to want to put it all on the lap of Streit. You stated that the numbers don't show Streit to be the best puck mover on the defense. Well the numbers also don't show Giroux to be the best offensive player on the team to this point. Does that mean that Giroux is not the best offensive player on the team?
Nobody on the team is having a positive influence on possession to this point, but you single out Streit for it. Hockey is a team game. Streit is not Pronger, or Lidstrom, or any of the other top defenseman that could make an impact single hand-idly in the current situation of how the team is playing.

I've been pleased with Streit as much as I can be thus far given the play of the team around him.

How quickly we forget the only way we were getting the puck out of our own zone last year was by lobbing it 25ft in the air over the neutral zone. One of the most embarrassing things I've ever seen a team do. Streit has no doubt improved that part of the game for this team. It's still very much a work in progress but I think once Gus starts getting more time you'll really start to see the change in the transition game.

Of course it would help too if the forwards didn't immediately turn the puck over when they gain the blueline but that is a debate for another day.

a few things I take away from this. First McGinn was sent down because during camp because he was in Lava's dog house still and not because he wasn't ready to play for the Flyers. Yes he hasn't played a lot of NHL games, but so far so good. Second it seems this training camp was a serious train wreck, not just the games. Third this team just didn't care about Lava and wanted him out. Also is this team just a bunch of prima donnas that didn't do any training in the off season.

I hope the Chief really kicks their butts and gets them into shape. Sorry but that's just sad that they are this out of shape for the regular season. But it gives me more hope that this can be turned around.

a few things I take away from this. First McGinn was sent down because during camp because he was in Lava's dog house still and not because he wasn't ready to play for the Flyers. Yes he hasn't played a lot of NHL games, but so far so good. Second it seems this training camp was a serious train wreck, not just the games. Third this team just didn't care about Lava and wanted him out. Also is this team just a bunch of prima donnas that didn't do any training in the off season.

I hope the Chief really kicks their butts and gets them into shape. Sorry but that's just sad that they are this out of shape for the regular season. But it gives me more hope that this can be turned around.
- LJF

Berube specifically stated that the player worked hard in the Summer and came into camp in shape.

http://www.csnphilly.com/...lyers-need-be-faster-team


“It’s not so much I am talking about guys coming into camp out of shape,” Berube said. “They all worked hard and trained hard this summer. It’s just the skating. On the ice. It’s certain drills you are going to do that make you faster under pressure. Just being competitive and quicker in all the battles. Stuff like that. Thinking quicker. It’s all part of it.”

any word on these rumors?? maybe i'm leight been in boonies with no internet for Canadian T-giving...

Rich Smith @ALLsportsINTEL 2h BREAKING NHL UPDATE - Source - Flyers and Oilers discussing blockbuster deal that would send Nail Yakupov and Hemsky to Flyers.

Rich Smith @ALLsportsINTEL 2h Oilers reportedly would want Simmonds, Coburn and either Couturier or Laughton for Nail Yakupov and Hemsky.

Rich Smith @ALLsportsINTEL 4h Source - Flyers involved in trade talks with Sabres for Vanek, Flyers reportedly offering Couturier, Coburn and a 2nd rd pick.

Berube specifically stated that the player worked hard in the Summer and came into camp in shape.

http://www.csnphilly.com/...lyers-need-be-faster-team


“It’s not so much I am talking about guys coming into camp out of shape,” Berube said. “They all worked hard and trained hard this summer. It’s just the skating. On the ice. It’s certain drills you are going to do that make you faster under pressure. Just being competitive and quicker in all the battles. Stuff like that. Thinking quicker. It’s all part of it.”
- MJL

thanks for making me look like an a$*, I didn't see that article. Do you think that he was being totally honest or just saying that to make the team not look bad.

any word on these rumors?? maybe i'm leight been in boonies with no internet for Canadian T-giving...

Rich Smith @ALLsportsINTEL 2h BREAKING NHL UPDATE - Source - Flyers and Oilers discussing blockbuster deal that would send Nail Yakupov and Hemsky to Flyers.

Rich Smith @ALLsportsINTEL 2h Oilers reportedly would want Simmonds, Coburn and either Couturier or Laughton for Nail Yakupov and Hemsky.

Rich Smith @ALLsportsINTEL 4h Source - Flyers involved in trade talks with Sabres for Vanek, Flyers reportedly offering Couturier, Coburn and a 2nd rd pick.
- Buzzo

wow...what... the

any word on these rumors?? maybe i'm leight been in boonies with no internet for Canadian T-giving...

Rich Smith @ALLsportsINTEL 2h BREAKING NHL UPDATE - Source - Flyers and Oilers discussing blockbuster deal that would send Nail Yakupov and Hemsky to Flyers.

Rich Smith @ALLsportsINTEL 2h Oilers reportedly would want Simmonds, Coburn and either Couturier or Laughton for Nail Yakupov and Hemsky.

Rich Smith @ALLsportsINTEL 4h Source - Flyers involved in trade talks with Sabres for Vanek, Flyers reportedly offering Couturier, Coburn and a 2nd rd pick.
- Buzzo

Sounds interesting... Just not quite ready to give up coots...

any word on these rumors?? maybe i'm leight been in boonies with no internet for Canadian T-giving...

Rich Smith @ALLsportsINTEL 2h BREAKING NHL UPDATE - Source - Flyers and Oilers discussing blockbuster deal that would send Nail Yakupov and Hemsky to Flyers.

Rich Smith @ALLsportsINTEL 2h Oilers reportedly would want Simmonds, Coburn and either Couturier or Laughton for Nail Yakupov and Hemsky.

Rich Smith @ALLsportsINTEL 4h Source - Flyers involved in trade talks with Sabres for Vanek, Flyers reportedly offering Couturier, Coburn and a 2nd rd pick.
- Buzzo

Isn't that the same dude that struck out on almost every rumor during the offseason except a few obvious FA signings? And even those he got right, he got the terms of the deals wrong.

thanks for making me look like an a$*, I didn't see that article. Do you think that he was being totally honest or just saying that to make the team not look bad.
- LJF

Not my intention at all, but I understand why you thought that. I think he was being honest, yes. This is what happens when you have a situation like this. The players, as you correctly stated in my opinion, wanted Laviolette out. Because they knew and did not believe that they could play the way that Laviolette wanted them to play. Any confidence they had in that style of play had completely eroded. Now they are under a new Coach with a new style of play. What has to happen is that the responsibilities that the players have on the ice, have to get to the point where it becomes automatic. Where there is no hesitation, no thinking. It's just read and react. When a team is able to do that, they become a "faster" team. They need to move their feet better, and compete harder. And find a second gear. They did that against Detroit. But the penalties derailed them.

thanks for making me look like an a$*, I didn't see that article. Do you think that he was being totally honest or just saying that to make the team not look bad.
- LJF

Berube was referring to skating shape, not body fat/muscular shape. But he has hammered home time and again that this needs to be a better skating team. So far, the buy-in is there from the players. Team leaders keep mentioning the "skate quicker, think quicker" mantra in daily interviews. Timonen said it several times today, for instance.

Geez look at king nothing's gaa without fonzi's crash test dummy shot block system... Maybe I was on to something when I said his team makes him look better than he is...