I think it's because Welker is one of the few that stood up a bit to Bill. Also, he was Tom's BFF so Bill had to put the both in their place.
- whosyodaddy

Are u sure on the BFF thing? Wasn't there some public jabs between Brady/pats and Welker?

You are then suppose to say at least she has good taste in her man because he taste in football teams needs improvement
- VANTEL

indeed, fortunately she has EXCELLENT taste in lingerie (and thankfully she's at least a Hawks fan. But, yes, it's a work in progress, though ugg)

Are u sure on the BFF thing? Wasn't there some public jabs between Brady/pats and Welker?
- Bieksa#3

Nah, not with Brady. He wanted him there. It was between Welker and Bill.

http://espn.go.com/boston...left-new-england-patriots

I wonder what took place with Welker. I mean its clear the organization had no respect for him. Year after year refusing to give him a long term contract. Maybe Welker had enough and didn't want to come back. Amendola is at best as good as welker but injury prone and not as clutch. I'm presuming the pats expected to have Hernandez and maybe even Gronk.
Brady is great but give any QB that many chances in the final 3 mins against a weak d and its gonna happen. One yr Brady doesn't have a plethora of targets and everybody cries for him.
- Bieksa#3

Brady never had any good wr his 1st 7 yrs in the league. Only recently with the Randy moss era and the drafting of the 2 TE does he have great options. This is back to how brady had it in the Super bowl winning teams. Take a look at those rosters and you can see how poor the options are for brady.

As for welker I think it was just poor a poor MGMT decision which here in Van we are all too familiar with that.

Brady never had any good wr his 1st 7 yrs in the league. Only recently with the Randy moss era and the drafting of the 2 TE does he have great options. This is back to how brady had it in the Super bowl winning teams. Take a look at those rosters and you can see how poor the options are for brady.

As for welker I think it was just poor a poor MGMT decision which here in Van we are all too familiar with that.
- Bluechip23

Troy Brown was pretty good.

Brady never had any good wr his 1st 7 yrs in the league. Only recently with the Randy moss era and the drafting of the 2 TE does he have great options. This is back to how brady had it in the Super bowl winning teams. Take a look at those rosters and you can see how poor the options are for brady.

As for welker I think it was just poor a poor MGMT decision which here in Van we are all too familiar with that.
- Bluechip23

Dion Branch was elite for a couple yrs.

Dion Branch was elite for a couple yrs.
- Bieksa#3

Only with Brady. Find out how Branch did in Seattle. It was pathetic how bad he was.

As for Troy brown. He had 1 yr over 1000 yds. Hardly an elite wr.

Deion Branch BEST YEAR.

78 - 1000 - 5

His 2nd best year

61 - 818 - 6

What part of these stats is elite?

Only with Brady. Find out how Branch did in Seattle. It was pathetic how bad he was.

As for Troy brown. He had 1 yr over 1000 yds. Hardly an elite wr.
- Bluechip23

The whole style was run and defense. Eat the clock. The guy had nearly 300 catches in his 3 years of starting, but also played defense and was a big return guy in his career. Brady, much like Montana is also a product of his coach.

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Only with Brady. Find out how Branch did in Seattle. It was pathetic how bad he was.

As for Troy brown. He had 1 yr over 1000 yds. Hardly an elite wr.
- Bluechip23

Aside from top 5 wr, what do u think the shelve life is for a good Wr?

They were talking about it at half time the other day. The question was brought up about Brady's lack of targets. All the guys on the panel basically said Brady is finally living the way Manning, Rodgers and Brees live. Now that Manning has a few targets look at him.
Mannind Brees won superbowls with awful teams is what they said. Brady had a amazing offensive line, stacked D and a good running game.
Brady is great but not even close to peyton manning territory people seem to think he is

The whole style was run and defense. Eat the clock. The guy had nearly 300 catches in his 3 years of starting, but also played defense and was a big return guy in his career. Brady, much like Montana is also a product of his coach.
- whosyodaddy

Exactly. Has manning ever had a decent running back? Has he ever had a average defense? Same for Brees?

Hmm your hockey team is too depressing so y'all have to talk about football.

Hmm your hockey team is too depressing so y'all have to talk about football.
- flamminghead

Calgary still has a team right?

Exactly. Has manning ever had a decent running back? Has he ever had a average defense? Same for Brees?
- Bieksa#3

Marino had a decent defense (7th, but old) his 2nd year in the league and made the SB. I don't think he ever had a 1000 yard back unless it was right at the end.

Exactly. Has manning ever had a decent running back? Has he ever had a average defense? Same for Brees?
- Bieksa#3

Edgerrin James

Hmm your hockey team is too depressing so y'all have to talk about football.
- flamminghead

It's Sunday. Don't you have a draft party to plan?

Edgerrin James
- TheTaoOfSemenko

And to use bbluechips argument, he stunk away from manning

Marino had a decent defense (7th, but old) his 2nd year in the league and made the SB. I don't think he ever had a 1000 yard back unless it was right at the end.
- whosyodaddy

Exactly

Manning also had Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark for a while....and Marvin Harrison. he was kind of ok.

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Aside from top 5 wr, what do u think the shelve life is for a good Wr?

They were talking about it at half time the other day. The question was brought up about Brady's lack of targets. All the guys on the panel basically said Brady is finally living the way Manning, Rodgers and Brees live. Now that Manning has a few targets look at him.
Mannind Brees won superbowls with awful teams is what they said. Brady had a amazing offensive line, stacked D and a good running game.
Brady is great but not even close to peyton manning territory people seem to think he is
- Bieksa#3

Totally disagree. Manning has had Harrison, Wayne, Clark, Edge james, Addai plus great O lines his entire career in Indy. Harrison and wayne will be HOF. Peyton in Denver has elite targets. Decker, Thomas, Thomas, Welker.

Peyton if you look at his playoff stats are always worse than his Reg season stats. Brady;s stats get better. IN cold weather Peyton manning has considerable regression in his stats where as brady kind of stays the same.

Peyton manning is such a cerebral QB and has required indy to draft almost all offensive talent during his tenure with Indy. That is the reason why they never had a dominating d. Wayne, Harrison, Clark, Addai, Edge, Oline were all 1st round picks. Also Peyton had the advantage of playing in a dome his entire career in almost all of his games. Also Tennesse, Houston, Jacksonville all play in a dome or warm weather.

Brady plays in NE, NY, Buff, Mia. only one of those is in a warm weather location. Which definitely skews the stats as well

NE drafted tons of D personal and O line so the teams were constructed differently. If you look at the stats over the last 5 - 6 yrs their stats are very similar.

Dont get me wrong Peyton is great and could possibly be the greatest of all time. I just look at more than the stats when I compare the 2 because Football can be skewed depending on how you want to look at it.

And to use bbluechips argument, he stunk away from manning
- Bieksa#3

You could also argue that might just be due to the shelf life of running backs. especially N/S ones like him.

And to use bbluechips argument, he stunk away from manning
- Bieksa#3

He was also 30 when he left manning and played on a terrible team. Deion branch signed a massive 30 mil year deal for Seattle in his prime and was terrible.

The whole style was run and defense. Eat the clock. The guy had nearly 300 catches in his 3 years of starting, but also played defense and was a big return guy in his career. Brady, much like Montana is also a product of his coach.
- whosyodaddy

Dont get me wrong Troy brown was awesome but to call him an Elite Wr is just wrong.

I think Ducks are going to have a good year

Totally disagree. Manning has had Harrison, Wayne, Clark, Edge james, Addai plus great O lines his entire career in Indy. Harrison and wayne will be HOF. Peyton in Denver has elite targets. Decker, Thomas, Thomas, Welker.

Peyton if you look at his playoff stats are always worse than his Reg season stats. Brady;s stats get better. IN cold weather Peyton manning has considerable regression in his stats where as brady kind of stays the same.

Peyton manning is such a cerebral QB and has required indy to draft almost all offensive talent during his tenure with Indy. That is the reason why they never had a dominating d. Wayne, Harrison, Clark, Addai, Edge, Oline were all 1st round picks. Also Peyton had the advantage of playing in a dome his entire career in almost all of his games. Also Tennesse, Houston, Jacksonville all play in a dome or warm weather.

Brady plays in NE, NY, Buff, Mia. only one of those is in a warm weather location. Which definitely skews the stats as well

NE drafted tons of D personal and O line so the teams were constructed differently. If you look at the stats over the last 5 - 6 yrs their stats are very similar.

Dont get me wrong Peyton is great and could possibly be the greatest of all time. I just look at more than the stats when I compare the 2 because Football can be skewed depending on how you want to look at it.
- Bluechip23

So as u said about branch being crap without Brady, same for all those guys save Wayne. And that's a fact. And who gives a poop if their 1st Rounders(o line) Steelers o line is all high picks and are garbage. How about Watkins, Gallery etc