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2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Oct 13 @ 1:25 PM ET
everyone sucks so far
- Crimsoninja

not the shhhh oh nevermind
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Oct 13 @ 1:29 PM ET
what do you guys think vick or fowels?
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Oct 13 @ 1:33 PM ET
Just move the team to Seattle already
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Oct 13 @ 1:33 PM ET
what do you guys think vick or fowels?
- 2Real


Both, every other drive
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Oct 13 @ 1:48 PM ET
Don't get carried away, he just got back from injury & still has a ways to go in his development. Don't bank on him being right around the corner.
- ob18


I'm not. Just pointing out it's too early to write him off as being one dimensional.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Oct 13 @ 1:48 PM ET
Both, every other drive
- funmaster18

jesus the eagles losing to the bucs
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Oct 13 @ 1:53 PM ET
Both, every other drive
- funmaster18

we're not kansas state
might be just as bad but yea
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Oct 13 @ 1:58 PM ET
jesus the eagles losing to the bucs
- 2Real


There is some kind of conspiracy surrounding Philly sports teams right now. All are bad/rebuilding, all have new coaches, what's going on here?
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Oct 13 @ 1:59 PM ET
Agreed..Clearly McGinn has shown enough to warrant replacing Hartnell.
- opeth_pa

McGinn played better last night than Hartnell's played all season.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Oct 13 @ 2:03 PM ET
There is some kind of conspiracy surrounding Philly sports teams right now. All are bad/rebuilding, all have new coaches, what's going on here?
- funmaster18

imminent mayhem
watch the sixers win the nba championship
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Oct 13 @ 2:04 PM ET
Just move the team to Seattle already
- funmaster18

KC could use a hockey team people out there love chicago or st. louis and even colorado
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Oct 13 @ 2:05 PM ET
imminent mayhem
watch the sixers win the nba championship

- 2Real


If the sixers win anything before the flyers I'm going to lose it
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Oct 13 @ 2:06 PM ET
McGinn played better last night than Hartnell's played all season.
- JAKEw1234


MgGinn also played better last night then Giroux or Jake has played all year..Lets sit them for him also.

Until McGinn proves he can produce over a full season not sure what he has earned.

Don't get me wrong, I hope he stays in there..I like what I see but just like I am not ready to crown Bob the next Roy, Hasek, Brodeur for what he did in a short season I am not ready to proclaim McGinn an every day player.
JAKEw1234
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 2Spookyville, PA
Joined: 03.09.2013

Oct 13 @ 2:20 PM ET
MgGinn also played better last night then Giroux or Jake has played all year..Lets sit them for him also.

Until McGinn proves he can produce over a full season not sure what he has earned.

Don't get me wrong, I hope he stays in there..I like what I see but just like I am not ready to crown Bob the next Roy, Hasek, Brodeur for what he did in a short season I am not ready to proclaim McGinn an every day player.

- opeth_pa

I didn't mean to imply that he'd be as good as Hartnell, but I do mean to say that I think he'd be a sufficient enough replacement that we could get rid of Hartnell and still be just fine.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Oct 13 @ 2:24 PM ET
If the sixers win anything before the flyers I'm going to lose it
- funmaster18

well at least the eagle best the giants last week
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Oct 13 @ 2:24 PM ET
I didn't mean to imply that he'd be as good as Hartnell, but I do mean to say that I think he'd be a sufficient enough replacement that we could get rid of Hartnell and still be just fine.
- JAKEw1234


Maybe Giroux is affecting Hartnells play as much as hartnell is affecting Giroux? Much rather move Hartnell to another line before we just get rid of him. I still think he Giroux and Voracek turn it around.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Oct 13 @ 2:26 PM ET
well at least the eagle best the giants last week
- 2Real


Not without making it interesting though

I was ready for a giants win an a Dallas victory at point during that game. Thankfully the eagles were able to capitalize on mannings turnovers.
Flyers_01
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.03.2006

Oct 13 @ 2:26 PM ET
Touché sir, good points
- JAKEw1234


What really sucks is that holmgren doesn't learn from his mistakes.Briere exercized the rights that holmgren gave him and screwed the team. Never assume that the player will do what is best for the team
Feanor
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: DE
Joined: 02.13.2013

Oct 13 @ 2:30 PM ET
How many teams are interested in trading for Hartnell and how many teams would Hartnell be willing to waive his NMC for?

I can't see him going anywhere although I do think he could be successful up in Vancouver.
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Oct 13 @ 2:35 PM ET
Hartnell trade talk heating up again? Must be around the corner from thanksgiving.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 13 @ 2:37 PM ET
And Pavel Datsyuk continues to show why he is still the best player in the league. I hate that he lit up the Flyers, but man he is fun to watch.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Oct 13 @ 2:38 PM ET
Maybe Giroux is affecting Hartnells play as much as hartnell is affecting Giroux? Much rather move Hartnell to another line before we just get rid of him. I still think he Giroux and Voracek turn it around.
- funmaster18

Giroux needs another guy that can create space to alleviate some pressure off him as trying to do it all is clearly affecting his game. Hartnell lines up at the slot or crease and waits to be fed. He creates nexts to nothing for a top line player. Apply nearly all the pressure to G and the top line becomes totally ineffective. I would like to see Vinny come back and play on the top line. Whether it be as LW or C(moving G to the wing). Give Coots the keys to the 2nd line with Hartnell and Read.

Vinny G Voracek
Hartnell Coots Read
Raffl/McGinn Schenn Simmonds
Talbot Hall Rinaldo
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Oct 13 @ 2:38 PM ET
MgGinn also played better last night then Giroux or Jake has played all year..Lets sit them for him also.

Until McGinn proves he can produce over a full season not sure what he has earned.

Don't get me wrong, I hope he stays in there..I like what I see but just like I am not ready to crown Bob the next Roy, Hasek, Brodeur for what he did in a short season I am not ready to proclaim McGinn an every day player.

- opeth_pa


He should be playing over Rosehill. And I'd move Raffl to that top line if (IF) it's between the 2 of them, he had some nice speed. Personally, I'd have Schenn there, he's looked good the last 3 games.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Oct 13 @ 2:39 PM ET
Hartnell trade talk heating up again? Must be around the corner from thanksgiving.
- funmaster18


His NMC might have a big say in anything happening.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Oct 13 @ 2:39 PM ET
He should be playing over Rosehill. And I'd move Raffl to that top line if (IF) it's between the 2 of them, he had some nice speed. Personally, I'd have Schenn there, he's looked good the last 3 games.
- jmatchett383


No problem with any of that.
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