What's so attractive about Ottawa to a kid from NJ? He was traded. Didn't hear he had a NTC, so whether HE wanted to come or not was irrelevant. It was our GM's inability to strike the deal. And NO, it wouldn't have had to include Strome or Reinhart. Silferburg is not as good as either of them or projected as such.
- jmo16

I think to pry Ryan away from Ducks, you would have to give up either Strome or Nelson but NOT both with a lesser prospect. I will say that Silverburg has just as a high ceiling as Strome does, and is already a proven NHL player for 1yr.

So you really can not compare Silverburg to Strome, bc in my opinion, Silverburg is already the better player..

Plus Ryan is a consistent 30-40g scorer which are hard to find, but Snow dropped the ball on him bc I would of brought in Ryan at almost any cost, bc he is a perfect fit for JT's wing

What's so attractive about Ottawa to a kid from NJ? He was traded. Didn't hear he had a NTC, so whether HE wanted to come or not was irrelevant. It was our GM's inability to strike the deal. And NO, it wouldn't have had to include Strome or Reinhart. Silferburg is not as good as either of them or projected as such.
- jmo16

silfverberg arguably has more value than either strome or reinhart because he's already proven he can play in the NHL in a top 6 roles. your kids have potential but until they establish themselves as top 6 NHL players, they are just prospects with the potential of busting.

strome will likely spend the year in the AHL, and then spend a year centering the 3rd line in the NHL, then probably move up into the top 6 in 3 years from now. the ducks went with someone who could contribute right away.

you guys probably could've gotten ryan for strome + a roster player + a 1st but that's a steep price...all reports say that anaheim's GM had been holding off on A LOT of really, really good offers for over a year waiting for someone to break and meet his asking price.

I know the 'yes he will' and 'no he won't' arguments can get thrown around a lot in terms of Wang spending but truth be told, no one can have a shred of certaintly as to whether he'll spend or not until we are in Brooklyn and playing.

Until then, we only have the past to go on, which I actually think speaks to evidence that he WILL spend eventually.
Remember, when Wang first came here, he made huge payroll additions of Yashin, Peca, Hamerlik Witt etc. He also made noted failed attempts to throw decent money at a few free agents. It wasn't until he had endured years of MASSIVE losses that they decided to do business on the cheap until the environment improved.
Based on that, I think it's reasonable to assume that once the team climate is better (ie. Brooklyn), Wang will finance the team with the purposes of turning a larger profit. That said, no one will know until it does or doesn't happen(s).
- keaner17

We will see? I'm not being critical of it. They don't need to add much in payroll IMO. We don't need to spend to the cap to be successful. They just need to add the right pieces. I think Wang has adjusted to the idea of being a low budget team. I think even with Brooklyn they'll increase payroll but it's not going to be to the cap.
Snow does the right thing next year and the following that won't be a problem. If our prospects aren't ready to contribute next year he's got to get some D next year. these guys just aren't good enough. there's no nice way to paint this picture. A real top 2 and a good Top 4 and we're a much better team. Enormously better. We have some talent on this team it's time to start adding some veteran players on the back end. Team is ready even though they've been disjointed lately. I think with that help this ship would right itself pretty quick.

What's so attractive about Ottawa to a kid from NJ? He was traded. Didn't hear he had a NTC, so whether HE wanted to come or not was irrelevant. It was our GM's inability to strike the deal. And NO, it wouldn't have had to include Strome or Reinhart. Silferburg is not as good as either of them or projected as such.
- jmo16

He certainly looks like he is . Kid looks awesome in Anaheim.

I bet your intuition sucks You sound like a political Union guy (and I know you aren't), wanting that evil guy to spend more money just because he has money no matter how bad the state of the business is.
If Charles 'got out of the business' you might very possibly not have a team at all. There are some things I clearly don't like about Wang, his "make sports more family friendly' crap drives me nuts, but I can't deny the profound effort (and finance) he put in to save this franchise and I'm willing to allow him to operate it under a better climate which he will have very soon..but doesn't just yet.
Like I say, when a guy has lost over a quarter of his net worth keeping this ship afloat, I have a tough time taking the "O' attitude that he needs to share his pie to make us happy. He needs to run his business and if that means weathering the storm for better days, there ya go.
- keaner17

He certainly looks like he is . Kid looks awesome in Anaheim.
- Cptmjl

Kid played very well last year in Ottawa, plus this year playing with Perry & Getzlaf, sky's the limit for him on that line....

*it was a great trade for both teams

Kid played very well last year in Ottawa, plus this year playing with Perry & Getzlaf, sky's the limit for him on that line....

*it was a great trade for both teams
- Ur Not Me

not to mention they received a pretty damn good prospect in noesen.

silfverberg is playing on the 2nd line btw.

silfverberg arguably has more value than either strome or reinhart because he's already proven he can play in the NHL in a top 6 roles. your kids have potential but until they establish themselves as top 6 NHL players, they are just prospects with the potential of busting.

strome will likely spend the year in the AHL, and then spend a year centering the 3rd line in the NHL, then probably move up into the top 6 in 3 years from now. the ducks went with someone who could contribute right away.

you guys probably could've gotten ryan for strome + a roster player + a 1st but that's a steep price...all reports say that anaheim's GM had been holding off on A LOT of really, really good offers for over a year waiting for someone to break and meet his asking price.
- rangerdanger94

Strome will be on the Islanders before December. I agree that Silfverberg was more nHL ready but the ceiling is higher with Strome. If an injury were to happen to a top six player, Strome would be called up immediately. This mgmt is huge on replacing a players role with a similarly skilled player. Strome will only be called if a top six guy goes out. He will NOT likely be on our third line at any time.

Strome will be on the Islanders before December. I agree that Silfverberg was more nHL ready but the ceiling is higher with Strome. If an injury were to happen to a top six player, Strome would be called up immediately. This mgmt is huge on replacing a players role with a similarly skilled player. Strome will only be called if a top six guy goes out. He will NOT likely be on our third line at any time.
- keaner17

the ceiling is higher (although i'm not sure how much higher...remember that this is silfverberg's 2nd year in the league and it looks like he literally has NO ceiling right now) but it's going to take a year or 2 longer for him to even reach where silfverberg is at now.

and again, there's a chance that strome is overhyped and tops out as an okay 2nd liner or maybe even worse (not saying it's likely, but it's a possibility).

to expect a rookie to step in and contribute right away in the top 6 is usually foolish. there are always exceptions to the rule but even with guys as talented as strome, they often start out with protected minutes on the 3rd line for a few months before being placed on the 1st line. even mackinninon is playing on the 3rd line and his ceiling is even higher than strome's. same with yakupov and other top picks.

the ceiling is higher (although i'm not sure how much higher...remember that this is silfverberg's 2nd year in the league and it looks like he literally has NO ceiling right now) but it's going to take a year or 2 longer for him to even reach where silfverberg is at now.

and again, there's a chance that strome is overhyped and tops out as an okay 2nd liner or maybe even worse (not saying it's likely, but it's a possibility).

to expect a rookie to step in and contribute right away in the top 6 is usually foolish. there are always exceptions to the rule but even with guys as talented as strome, they often start out with protected minutes on the 3rd line for a few months before being placed on the 1st line. even mackinninon is playing on the 3rd line and his ceiling is even higher than strome's. same with yakupov and other top picks.
- rangerdanger94

Strome on JTs line already makes him a threat. That line could be lethal, I like how management is being careful with him.

You know who I have been very impressed with starting last year and early this year? Bailey, that kid is becoming a veryyy good player.

You know who I have been very impressed with starting last year and early this year? Bailey, that kid is becoming a veryyy good player.
- mighty13duck

Yes, I cannot find a single complaint between him, Nielsen, Grabs and JT so far

Bailey looks like he really has finally fully turned the corner

the ceiling is higher (although i'm not sure how much higher...remember that this is silfverberg's 2nd year in the league and it looks like he literally has NO ceiling right now) but it's going to take a year or 2 longer for him to even reach where silfverberg is at now.

and again, there's a chance that strome is overhyped and tops out as an okay 2nd liner or maybe even worse (not saying it's likely, but it's a possibility).

to expect a rookie to step in and contribute right away in the top 6 is usually foolish. there are always exceptions to the rule but even with guys as talented as strome, they often start out with protected minutes on the 3rd line for a few months before being placed on the 1st line. even mackinninon is playing on the 3rd line and his ceiling is even higher than strome's. same with yakupov and other top picks.
- rangerdanger94

How these things are 'typically' done are based largely on the teams philosophy of cultivation and application of players. The Islanders are following an NFL (IMO) mold that sees them pluging like-skilled players into open roles. Out with PA, in with Boyes. Our with Roloson, in with Nabakov. Strome's skillset will not be applied to the type of line they want on their bottom six. I'd be willing to bet if a bottom six player wen't down, we'd more likely see someone like Sundstrom or Lee take their place. I'm not saying the philosophy is right or wrong, just saying this is what we've been seeing the Isles do the last few years.
The Isles are not going to pull a Nino and bring Strome up for bottom six minutes. Skill wise, the kid is ready. Assignment wise, he needs work, but they won't hesitate to call him if a role he's cut out to fill is open.

We will see? I'm not being critical of it. They don't need to add much in payroll IMO. We don't need to spend to the cap to be successful. They just need to add the right pieces. I think Wang has adjusted to the idea of being a low budget team. I think even with Brooklyn they'll increase payroll but it's not going to be to the cap. Snow does the right thing next year and the following that won't be a problem. If our prospects aren't ready to contribute next year he's got to get some D next year. these guys just aren't good enough. there's no nice way to paint this picture. A real top 2 and a good Top 4 and we're a much better team. Enormously better. We have some talent on this team it's time to start adding some veteran players on the back end. Team is ready even though they've been disjointed lately. I think with that help this ship would right itself pretty quick.
- Cptmjl

I don't think the Isles goal will ever be to spend to the cap ceiling, however I also believe that they are entering territory where spending will no longer get in the way of their goals. As I've been saying for sometime, I honestly think everything that has been done with this team over the last couple of years has been about 2015. They're more than happy to experience the successes that may come along, but they simply won't comprimise their philosophy. I think of them in sorts like the early Andy Reid Eagles, or Belichek Patriots. Spending is available, but ultimately players are all filling specific roles and all will eventually be replaced by other players who can fill those roles. It's a successful model if done patiently.

I don't think the Isles goal will ever be to spend to the cap ceiling, however I also believe that they are entering territory where spending will no longer get in the way of their goals. As I've been saying for sometime, I honestly think everything that has been done with this team over the last couple of years has been about 2015. They're more than happy to experience the successes that may come along, but they simply won't comprimise their philosophy. I think of them in sorts like the early Andy Reid Eagles, or Belichek Patriots. Spending is available, but ultimately players are all filling specific roles and all will eventually be replaced by other players who can fill those roles. It's a successful model if done patiently.
- keaner17

They need to add players to this line up via trade now or FA shortly. If these other kids aren't readyin the near future you can't leave these guys pissing in the wind. This team is ready to move forward no matter how small a step they need to go in the right direction. Taking a step backward is stupid and counterproductive. Being patient is one thing being obtuse is a whole other.

Not for nothing, Silfverberg (sp) is a much better prospect than Nino. There's no way the Ducks were taking a package where Nino was the centerpiece. No way. Silfverberg was top 6 ready, had already proved it and has 1st line potential all over him.

They need to add players to this line up via trade now or FA shortly. If these other kids aren't readyin the near future you can't leave these guys pissing in the wind. This team is ready to move forward no matter how small a step they need to go in the right direction. Taking a step backward is stupid and counterproductive. Being patient is one thing being obtuse is a whole other.
- Cptmjl

Agreed for the most part, however I think it would only come accross as obtuse because we as fans want something drastic done when things aren't going perfectly and mgmt continues to excercise patience. We want to hear that there are things being considered to improve the squad but when we only get cliche GM answers, frustration builds. It's a LOOOOOONG season and we're only 4 games in. We've yet to see the team play good hockey in any of those games frankly. We know they're capable of it though. I seriously doubt the loss of Streit and Boyes has rendered this team ineffective. I still believe Bouchard will ultimately be an improvement on Boyes and Donovan will find his bearings.

I agree completely that we need to add a few more impact players however to WHERE those players will come from may be worthy of discussion. I don't expect them here this season. I don't expect prospects to be dealt. I definitely expect this team will at some point gel and start playing a good coordinated game like they did at the end of last season.

Not for nothing, Silfverberg (sp) is a much better prospect than Nino. There's no way the Ducks were taking a package where Nino was the centerpiece. No way. Silfverberg was top 6 ready, had already proved it and has 1st line potential all over him.
- potvin05

I can't totally agree with that. I think the ceiling is higher on Nino and certainly he was drafted with considerably more upside.
Silfverberg was picked early in the second round. While I do think the kid is talented, he's not big and didn't exactly dominate in the AHL. He managed to get 10 goals last season with Ottawa and was seen as a potential decent top six guy, but I'm not sure anyone can guarantee he'll be a top line player for his career. Scouts have always been pretty split on him.
In the case of Nino, he was a legit top 10 pick, though I think we reached at 5. Big, strong, decent skater, good hands and a natural athelete. Ultimately I think it was Nino's cap hit that scared Anaheim away. They only had $2mil under the cap at the time of the Ryan trade and needed more than one player. They couldn't grab Nino's price tag.

I can't totally agree with that. I think the ceiling is higher on Nino and certainly he was drafted with considerably more upside.
Silfverberg was picked early in the second round. While I do think the kid is talented, he's not big and didn't exactly dominate in the AHL. He managed to get 10 goals last season with Ottawa and was seen as a potential decent top six guy, but I'm not sure anyone can guarantee he'll be a top line player for his career. Scouts have always been pretty split on him.
In the case of Nino, he was a legit top 10 pick, though I think we reached at 5. Big, strong, decent skater, good hands and a natural athelete. Ultimately I think it was Nino's cap hit that scared Anaheim away. They only had $2mil under the cap at the time of the Ryan trade and needed more than one player. They couldn't grab Nino's price tag.
- keaner17

I get why the Isles had to trade Nino, but I still hate the idea of having to do it...mistakes were made along the way in his development, sure, but playing in the AHL last season was such a positive for him, and to take the time to develop a player for someone else stinks. I probably feel that way more just because I watched him a lot last season and saw the clear improvement in several problem areas that he had when he played on the Isles. I won't pretend to know what the trade market was like, but I'm still not crazy about trading him essentially for a Matt Martin+. Just my opinion, but if I couldn't get another higher-end NHL-ready prospect in return, I might have just told him and his agent to deal with it, play for the Isles this season to increase his trade value, and if he has some fun while he's at it and wants to stay, all the better...wouldn't be the first player to kick and scream and then warm up to the team later.

Agreed for the most part, however I think it would only come accross as obtuse because we as fans want something drastic done when things aren't going perfectly and mgmt continues to excercise patience. We want to hear that there are things being considered to improve the squad but when we only get cliche GM answers, frustration builds. It's a LOOOOOONG season and we're only 4 games in. We've yet to see the team play good hockey in any of those games frankly. We know they're capable of it though. I seriously doubt the loss of Streit and Boyes has rendered this team ineffective. I still believe Bouchard will ultimately be an improvement on Boyes and Donovan will find his bearings.

I agree completely that we need to add a few more impact players however to WHERE those players will come from may be worthy of discussion. I don't expect them here this season. I don't expect prospects to be dealt. I definitely expect this team will at some point gel and start playing a good coordinated game like they did at the end of last season.
- keaner17

Like i said it wouldn't take much, it doesn't need to be "drastic". Sometimes doing nothing is not always the right answer contrary to some beliefs on here. Adding Via trade or FA is a reality Snow is going to have to face eventually or be an unsuccessful GM with an unsuccessful team.
This team will not be a true legit contender without outside help. Don't take what I say and make it sound like I'm asking for the next Erhoff or Richards contract bcs that couldn't be further from the truth. We need a top 4 and a top 2 and a goaltender if we don't have a legit one coming up. Waiting for the stars to come in line for a top 4 is ridiculous if you think you have the other ones i the farm.

Arthur Staple ‏@StapeNewsday
Nabokov in goal vs. Sabres. Donovan out, Bouchard,
Carkner in for #Isles, other F out to be determined later.
(Im guessing Regin or Nelson?)

Need the fourth line to really show up and set the tone tonight. The Sabres have so many really young, inexperienced players...but skilled young players. They really struggle in the trenches along the boards though, and I think if the fourth line owns the boards, smashes some bodies and makes the Sabres fight for every inch right from the outset, they could take Buffalo out of the game early mentally.

I get why the Isles had to trade Nino, but I still hate the idea of having to do it...mistakes were made along the way in his development, sure, but playing in the AHL last season was such a positive for him, and to take the time to develop a player for someone else stinks. I probably feel that way more just because I watched him a lot last season and saw the clear improvement in several problem areas that he had when he played on the Isles. I won't pretend to know what the trade market was like, but I'm still not crazy about trading him essentially for a Matt Martin+. Just my opinion, but if I couldn't get another higher-end NHL-ready prospect in return, I might have just told him and his agent to deal with it, play for the Isles this season to increase his trade value, and if he has some fun while he's at it and wants to stay, all the better...wouldn't be the first player to kick and scream and then warm up to the team later.
- UIF

Absolutely agreed. We passed up on some pretty decent players to draft Nino all to allow some PR noise turn him over for a low/mid tier player. My biggest gripe with our management at this point would be their over concern to squash any negative circumstance by eliminating it. From Wis, Rolo, Jaffe, Nino etc etc, when anyone dares to question mgmt or voice an opinion, they're instantly out on a rail. In the case of Nino, this at least appeared to be the result of poor communication between Mgmt and Nino. They could have let this whole thing die out and Nino would have likely been on the Isles top line to start the season. Instead we get a checking line guy to go along with several other checking line guys. To me, mgmt's concern for controlling their image trumped their concern to build a better team.

Absolutely agreed. We passed up on some pretty decent players to draft Nino all to allow some PR noise turn him over for a low/mid tier player. My biggest gripe with our management at this point would be their over concern to squash any negative circumstance by eliminating it. From Wis, Rolo, Jaffe, Nino etc etc, when anyone dares to question mgmt or voice an opinion, they're instantly out on a rail. In the case of Nino, this at least appeared to be the result of poor communication between Mgmt and Nino. They could have let this whole thing die out and Nino would have likely been on the Isles top line to start the season. Instead we get a checking line guy to go along with several other checking line guys. To me, mgmt's concern for controlling their image trumped their concern to build a better team.
- keaner17

Very well said keaner. We can say Nino was immature and that is true. Management still did a bad job with Nino. I do not have full faith this managment can handle these prospects correctly.

Like i said it wouldn't take much, it doesn't need to be "drastic". Sometimes doing nothing is not always the right answer contrary to some beliefs on here. Adding Via trade or FA is a reality Snow is going to have to face eventually or be an unsuccessful GM with an unsuccessful team.
This team will not be a true legit contender without outside help. Don't take what I say and make it sound like I'm asking for the next Erhoff or Richards contract bcs that couldn't be further from the truth. We need a top 4 and a top 2 and a goaltender if we don't have a legit one coming up. Waiting for the stars to come in line for a top 4 is ridiculous if you think you have the other ones i the farm.
- Cptmjl

But I think that's the only thing that would satisfy anyone. I agree with you that we need something more and we're all pretty tired of waiting and waiting and waiting for improvements that may or may not pan out based on internal improvement. Still, this is the way they're building this team and I don't expect it to change. Were it me in the office, I'd be pushing to deal a defensive prospect and pick away to bring in Vanek. Take the chance on his contract and work an extension out. Immediatley our 2nd and 3rd lines improve as a result of a deepened skillset. I'd wait on the dman since I think we'll likely see at least one more prospect join the group by next season.