Just focus in on him in the d-zone during the next game and you'll be saying otherwise. It's downright embarassing.
- Tomahawk

I've done that, I don't think he's bad at all. He's just small, so he gets muscled around a little bit. Also, sometimes he strays out of position a bit. Still, the talk coming into the season about his poor D play has been way overhyped, I think.

Can somebody link the thread from day JVR was traded for Schenn

Thanks

i hope they call up raffl and mcginn at least
- FlyerMike18

Not sure I get all the love for McGinn. He looked ok before, but he didn't stand out for me.

Just focus in on him in the d-zone during the next game and you'll be saying otherwise. It's downright embarassing.
- Tomahawk

I feel like he moves in slow motion

the problem i had with the whole thing is that we wasted no time locking up coburn and grossmann, but waited on carle (when he was exactly the type of player we couldn't afford not to have). should've given carle his money and gambled on grossmann, but what's done is done
- FlyerMike18

I too wish they had gotten Carle locked up at 4.3-4.8/yr range before he hit FA, especially with the current bad mix on D. Maybe they should have just given 5M for 6 years, but people would have howled over that deal.

And when they re upped with Coburn, he was playing very effective D with a younger Kimmo. He was Homer's great robbery of the Atlanta GM, and things looked pretty good.

Also when Grossmann first got here, he brought a snarl and crease clearing presence they missed badly after Pronger went down. He was enthusiastically resigned and made a great shut down pairing.

To be fair, Carle at the time was the number #1 whipping boy here, weak "muffin" shot, occasional horrendous turnover leading to a goal against, etc.

Many people wanted him gone.

In retrospect it seems like a mistake.
Easy to judge things two years down the road.

I too wish they had gotten Carle locked up at 4.3-4.8/yr range before he hit FA, especially with the current bad mix on D. Maybe they should have just given 5M for 6 years, but people would have howled over that deal.

And when they re upped with Coburn, he was playing very effective D with a younger Kimmo. He was Homer's great robbery of the Atlanta GM, and things looked pretty good.

Also when Grossmann first got here, he brought a snarl and crease clearing presence they missed badly after Pronger went down. He was enthusiastically resigned and made a great shut down pairing.

To be fair, Carle at the time was the number #1 whipping boy here, weak "muffin" shot, occasional horrendous turnover leading to a goal against, etc.

Many people wanted him gone.

In retrospect it seems like a mistake.
Easy to judge things two years down the road.
- Marc D

I thought it was easy to see that letting him go was a mistake, especially when Suter was your only target as a replacement

I feel like he moves in slow motion
- vejim

Head and body.... he doesn't seem to have a Carle-esque defensive stick, either.

Buffalo, Nashville, Edmonton all off to poopty starts as well. Definitely some interesting trade bait on all of those teams. I fully expect the Flyers to drop 3 of these next 4. Lets see what happens as a result.

I dont think Streit is simply a PP specialist.
- JAKEw1234

pp specialist might be a tad harsh, but bottom-4 all offense guy (he pales in comparison to carle d-zone wise.... at least from what i've seen of him)

i think he's actually looked solid with the puck on his stick on the offensive side of the red line (hence the pp specialist tag). so far he's been the only one who looks solid (competent?) at all in that regard. but man, that's not saying a whole hell of a lot

Can somebody link the thread from day JVR was traded for Schenn
Thanks
- KINGKENZO

No dice on any more positive views of JVR.
JVR represents a total failure of both luck and will.
The Flyers were, by far, the worst team in the NHL in the year before they drafted JVR. Losing the coin flip was brutal. The Flyers needed a Stamkos or a Crosby out of that draft, and instead got JVR. To compare Kane and JVR in the five seasons since they were drafted:
Kane has scored 369 points(73.8 /season), JVR 99 (19.8 /season)
Kane played in the NHL away JVR hid in college for two years.
In the 2010 playoffs JVR was a healthy scratch and Pat Kane partied on our ice with a Cup.
And then the injuries started.
-
Mostel26

Great read. No one can say they are shocked that JvR got traded, but now if Homer wants to trade again who does he uses?
- LJF

JvR for Schenn does seem to be slightly tilted to Leafs. Not that Schenn is bad, just feel that JvR should have had a bit more value.

Both players will help their new clubs. Schenn has good size, mobility and likes to hit. The trade also opens some cap room so the Flyers could be bigger players in free agency.
- Jsaquella

2 things concerned me about L. Schenn when watching him play against the flyers last year.
-He seemed to struggle with making the subtle puck moving plays in his own end (plays that Timonen is so good at), leading to turnovers.
-He is real slow agility wise. Skating is a big issue so he has to have perfect positioning.

He is an upgrade to the Flyers blue line. Time will tell if he is the right piece. I am hopeful he can pair well with Mez, allowing Mez to pinch and really push the play in the offensive zone with our 3rd pairing.

My initial feeling is I don't like this trade, but also can't blame the flyers too much if they feel JVR and Giroux will never work out together and they are skeptical with JVR's hip going forward.
- Just5

EDIT: Oh just link? Sorry http://www.hockeybuzz.com...hread_id=99243&forum_id=1

Not sure I get all the love for McGinn. He looked ok before, but he didn't stand out for me.
- funmaster18

Personally I would want Raffl and Akeson.

Akeson gives them a bit more of an offensive spark, and Raffl seems more fundamentally sound then some of the current bottom six.

Can somebody link the thread from day JVR was traded for Schenn

Thanks
- KINGKENZO

I dont get it......5 bad games and Schenn sucks. He was solid last year. More than solid at times.

Hextall describes himself as a very analytical guy, which seems to be the polar opposite of Homer's gut.

Leads me to believe that he would budget better, not try to sign every big name just because they're available, get the cap/CBA details straight, and maybe be a bit more conscientious during contract negotiations.

But yeah, that's a lot of assumptions based on one self-professed character trait.
- Tomahawk

If all that is part of the package Hexy brings, I'd like to see what he could get done.

Personally I would want Raffl and Akeson.

Akeson gives them a bit more of an offensive spark, and Raffl seems more fundamentally sound then some of the current bottom six.
- Marc D

I wouldn't mind that. I didn't see much two way play from McGinn if I remember correctly

Personally I would want Raffl and Akeson.

Akeson gives them a bit more of an offensive spark, and Raffl seems more fundamentally sound then some of the current bottom six.
- Marc D

Slap Akeson on a line with G and Jake and it should have plenty of chemistry, at least.

I dont get it......5 bad games and Schenn sucks. He was solid last year. More than solid at times.
- nastyflyergirl

Schenn is a pylon ....someone tell Giroux the season started already

Schenn is a pylon ....someone tell Giroux the season started already
- CarlitoBrigante

he would rather golf

As the spoon stirs

don't forget failing to bring back jagr for 1 or 2 more seasons. imagine giroux w/ 2 more years of jagr on his wing?....we don't have to imagine him without him there. not saying G won't snap out of it eventually, but i think Jagr was willing to come back here cheap (even last year and this year) and without a viable, proven option he should have had him here
- hogweed

I don't think Jagr wanted to sign with the Flyers.

I have a theory on Jagr.

I don't think the guy gives two craps about the regular season.

I think he is now purposely signing one-year deals with teams he knows won't be in the playoff hunt, so he can arrange a trade at the deadline to a contender.

He's in it for another cup. Nothing else.

I dont get it......5 bad games and Schenn sucks. He was solid last year. More than solid at times.
- nastyflyergirl

I agree.
He is not fast and takes a while to get his shot released, but he seems to me to be a legit NHL defenseman.

I don't understand the Dreger tweet at all, but that worries me. The idea that someone in the organization doesn't see him as an NHLer is scary given that they traded away a scoring top line winger on a center heavy team.

I dont get it......5 bad games and Schenn sucks. He was solid last year. More than solid at times.
- nastyflyergirl

Agreed. I'm not sure where the friction is or why he's not playing a lot, but we saw last year he can be a solid defender. And he's 23.

EDIT: Oh just link? Sorry http://www.hockeybuzz.com...hread_id=99243&forum_id=1
- JAKEw1234

starting here, you'll get more visceral reactions...iow, more fun to read

http://www.hockeybuzz.com...p?thread_id=99224&page=20

I don't think Jagr wanted to sign with the Flyers.

I have a theory on Jagr.

I don't think the guy gives two craps about the regular season.

I think he is now purposely signing one-year deals with teams he knows won't be in the playoff hunt, so he can arrange a trade at the deadline to a contender.

He's in it for another cup. Nothing else.
- Atomic Wedgie

He'll put the flyers over the top when they acquire him at the TDL

I too wish they had gotten Carle locked up at 4.3-4.8/yr range before he hit FA, especially with the current bad mix on D. Maybe they should have just given 5M for 6 years, but people would have howled over that deal.

And when they re upped with Coburn, he was playing very effective D with a younger Kimmo. He was Homer's great robbery of the Atlanta GM, and things looked pretty good.

Also when Grossmann first got here, he brought a snarl and crease clearing presence they missed badly after Pronger went down. He was enthusiastically resigned and made a great shut down pairing.

To be fair, Carle at the time was the number #1 whipping boy here, weak "muffin" shot, occasional horrendous turnover leading to a goal against, etc.

Many people wanted him gone.

In retrospect it seems like a mistake.
Easy to judge things two years down the road.
- Marc D

all very solid points

it's no secret that i was always one of carle's biggest proponents here, so i won't get much into the whole "whipping boy" part. most know how i feel about that

but still i would've been very hesitant to throw out some of those 30ish mil numbers as well. for as badly as we need a guy like him now, he's still at best a marginal top-pairing guy. and that's a lot of money

as you said though, very easy to judge now and there's no sense crying over it. it's done. moving forward i just hope that if they go with such one dimensional guys (streit, coburn, schenn, grossmann) they can find ways to keep them at lower cap hits. or at least not carry so many that are getting paid so well

I agree.
He is not fast and takes a while to get his shot released, but he seems to me to be a legit NHL defenseman.

I don't understand the Dreger tweet at all, but that worries me. The idea that someone in the organization doesn't see him as an NHLer is scary given that they traded away a scoring top line winger on a center heavy team.
- Marc D

That alone would be enough for someone to lose their job...more than enough.