How about Laughton + a high pick (1st or 2nd) + a roster player?
- jmatchett383

If the pick is a 2nd and the roster player is Mezaros or Coburn I'd probably do it.

After a strong (relatively) rookie season, he did nothing but regress.

I thought getting traded to Philly would help him, but it doesn't seem to be the case. Not yet anyway.
- Pecafan Fan

He played pretty well last year.

May I remind you that, the Flyers finished 20th overall?

Because a player is put in a certain spot doesn't mean that's where he should be.
There's a difference being a true #1 and being a #1 by necessity.
- Pecafan Fan

who said he's a #1?

well, I'm Jewish and if they ever try to name a hamilton franchise the hebes, I'm going for reparations...








- isaiah520

So in your opinion would they be a Cap limit team, or a Cap minimum team?

He played pretty well last year.
- PLindbergh31

yes he did but watch out if you say that then you think he's a #1

Absolutely. My two conditions were his conditioning and the cost. If it was a deal built around Read and Byfuglien, with other pieces going either way, I'd consider it.

Not giving up a key youngster for Byfuglien.
- Jsaquella

Honestly, I'm not worried about how fat he is. He's always been that way and he's still been uber-productive and has won a Cup.

My problem is adding him to a mix of guys that are already undisciplined and inconsistent as a group. If we had a rock-solid leadership group like Chicago's, I think we could absorb a lot of the good that Buff brings, and mitigate a lot of the bad.

But Byfuglien and Hartnell on the same team would keep me up at night, for sure.

If the pick is a 2nd and the roster player is Mezaros or Coburn I'd probably do it.
- JAKEw1234

Well the roster player has to be a defenseman, otherwise we have 9 on the roster. I'd do Meszaros, but not Coburn. If I had to do Coburn, then we're keeping Laughton.

May I remind you that, the Flyers finished 20th overall?

Because a player is put in a certain spot doesn't mean that's where he should be.
There's a difference being a true #1 and being a #1 by necessity.
- Pecafan Fan

I said he finished even for the season despite being on a bad 5 on 5 team and matching up against top lines.

I never said he was top pairing. My argument is that, right now, he's a good 2nd pairing defenseman.

yes he did but watch out if you say that then you think he's a #1
- -davies-

I'm just hoping he steadily improves.

He played pretty well last year.
- PLindbergh31

He played very well last year. He was their best defenseman. Granted, they were a bad team, but even so, he personally played well.

who said he's a #1?
- -davies-

It was an example.

I could have said #3 or 10, it doesn't make a difference.

Speaking of racial insensitivity, did anybody see American Horror Story last night? Kathy Bates was stellar
- KINGKENZO

So in your opinion would they be a Cap limit team, or a Cap minimum team?
- youarewrong

I was waiting for someone to go down that road

I said he finished even for the season despite being on a bad 5 on 5 team and matching up against top lines.

I never said he was top pairing. My argument is that, right now, he's a good 2nd pairing defenseman.
- PhillySportsGuy

I don't give too much importance the the +/- stat. At least, not the individual +/- stat.

Well the roster player has to be a defenseman, otherwise we have 9 on the roster. I'd do Meszaros, but not Coburn. If I had to do Coburn, then we're keeping Laughton.
- jmatchett383

I think Mez would make the deal LESS appealing to Winnipeg. I'm not joking.

Well the roster player has to be a defenseman, otherwise we have 9 on the roster. I'd do Meszaros, but not Coburn. If I had to do Coburn, then we're keeping Laughton.
- jmatchett383

We could also agree to take Jokinen off their hands, have Rosehill break his legs so we can stash him on LTIR... is that enough of a trade inducement?

I don't think the need is for a puck moving offensive defenseman. The need is for a quality two way defenseman that can play in all situations, to replace Timonen. Byfuglien is not that player.
- MJL

This is key. There has been a lot of talk about Buff and the need for his offensive production, but he's hardly a two way defenseman, which I agree, is what the Flyers are sorely lacking.

It was an example.

I could have said #3 or 10, it doesn't make a difference.
- Pecafan Fan

it's just more of the usual hyperbole

Honestly, I'm not worried about how fat he is. He's always been that way and he's still been uber-productive and has won a Cup.

My problem is adding him to a mix of guys that are already undisciplined and inconsistent as a group. If we had a rock-solid leadership group like Chicago's, I think we could absorb a lot of the good that Buff brings, and mitigate a lot of the bad.

But Byfuglien and Hartnell on the same team would keep me up at night, for sure.
- Tomahawk

That'd be my secondary concern. How disciplined he would be on and off the ice in this mix.

Because he's produced a ton of points for the Jets/Thrashers hasn't gotten them into the playoff yet.

I don't give too much importance the the +/- stat. At least, not the individual +/- stat.
- Pecafan Fan

That's because +/- has a lot to do with team play and favorable/unfavorable match ups!

I'm telling you right now that Schenn was on a bad 5 on 5 team and had unfavorable match ups

I was waiting for someone to go down that road
- PhillySportsGuy

It's ok. I'm married into your tribe.

it's just more of the usual hyperbole
- -davies-

Montreal's got a #1 in Subban, but then a bunch of number 4-5-6.
Which means a some of them are #2 and #3 by default.

Does it make you feel better if I use the terrible habs defense as an example?

Because he's produced a ton of points for the Jets/Thrashers hasn't gotten them into the playoff yet.
- Jsaquella

Too bad we really don't have a goaltender to trade... that's what they really need right now.

I said he finished even for the season despite being on a bad 5 on 5 team and matching up against top lines.

I never said he was top pairing. My argument is that, right now, he's a good 2nd pairing defenseman.
- PhillySportsGuy

Right now means the present. And currently he's not playing anywhere close to the level of a 2nd pairing defenseman.

After a strong (relatively) rookie season, he did nothing but regress.

I thought getting traded to Philly would help him, but it doesn't seem to be the case. Not yet anyway.
- Pecafan Fan

Interesting, I thought towards the end of last season when he was called upon to be the man, he definitely established himself as a total beast. He's struggled early this season, but going into the season I would've said he's our #2 dman behind kimmo. I still remember his amazing 32 minute showing last season.